10 most and least educated states

[Crepitus]

10 most and least educated states (https://life360.tips/education/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-the-u-s-3010)

This is and interesting list. The piece is nonpolitical, they aren't dividing the states from blue to red, but if you look at it that way it's obvious which party believes in education.

Most:

Massachusetts
Maryland
Connecticut
Vermont
Colorado
Virginia
New Hampshire
Minnesota
Washington
New Jersey

Least:

New Mexico
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Nevada
Kentucky
Alabama
Arkansas
Louisiana
West Virginia
Mississippi

While it isn't a perfect division it is an obvious one. Democratic states are better educated. That's probably why they are more Democratic.

[zelmo1234]

10 most and least educated states (https://life360.tips/education/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-the-u-s-3010)

This is and interesting list. The piece is nonpolitical, they aren't dividing the states from blue to red, but if you look at it that way it's obvious which party believes in education.

Most:

Massachusetts
Maryland
Connecticut
Vermont
Colorado
Virginia
New Hampshire
Minnesota
Washington
New Jersey

Least:

New Mexico
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Nevada
Kentucky
Alabama
Arkansas
Louisiana
West Virginia
Mississippi

While it isn't a perfect division it is an obvious one. Democratic states are better educated. That's probably why they are more Democratic.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nSTO-vZpSgc/SvtI1ea43JI/AAAAAAAAHTY/9_OgdtzW_vM/s400/states+in+peril.png (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nSTO-vZpSgc/SvtI1ea43JI/AAAAAAAAHTY/9_OgdtzW_vM/s1600-h/states+in+peril.png)
Seems like they should educate them on the art of balancing a checkbook

[Common]

10 most and least educated states (https://life360.tips/education/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-the-u-s-3010)

This is and interesting list. The piece is nonpolitical, they aren't dividing the states from blue to red, but if you look at it that way it's obvious which party believes in education.

Most:

Massachusetts
Maryland
Connecticut
Vermont
Colorado
Virginia
New Hampshire
Minnesota
Washington
New Jersey

Least:

New Mexico
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Nevada
Kentucky
Alabama
Arkansas
Louisiana
West Virginia
Mississippi

While it isn't a perfect division it is an obvious one. Democratic states are better educated. That's probably why they are more Democratic.

Crep I knew before I opened your thread it was a hit on conservative states, thats ok youre entitled :)

[Crepitus]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nSTO-vZpSgc/SvtI1ea43JI/AAAAAAAAHTY/9_OgdtzW_vM/s400/states+in+peril.png (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nSTO-vZpSgc/SvtI1ea43JI/AAAAAAAAHTY/9_OgdtzW_vM/s1600-h/states+in+peril.png)
Seems like they should educate them on the art of balancing a checkbook

How about a link to that chart so we can see the supporting data?

[zelmo1234]

How about a link to that chart so we can see the supporting data?
sorry about that I should have provided the link

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/10-states-in-deep-fiscal-trouble.html

[zelmo1234]

How about a link to that chart so we can see the supporting data?

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/10-states-in-deep-fiscal-trouble.html

[Crepitus]

sorry about that I should have provided the link

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/10-states-in-deep-fiscal-trouble.html


In a separate study released Wednesday, the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities found that states will likely have to make steep cuts in their fiscal 2011 budgets, which start next July 1 in most states. That's because the critical federal stimulus dollars will run out by the end of 2010.

Data almost 10 years old from the beginning of the recovery.

[zelmo1234]

Data almost 10 years old from the beginning of the recovery.
Show me something has changed?

my guess is it is worse than it was . IL, CA, NV, NY are i terrible shape

[Crepitus]

Show me something has changed?

my guess is it is worse than it was . IL, CA, NV, NY are i terrible shape

I was looking, can't find a chart. I did find some surprising info though. It looks like a whole lotta states are suffering right now from reduced income. The booming economy doesn't seem to be working for them. My state of Kansas actually raised taxes (long story) so we have more money coming in than in decades but it seems most of the others don't.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/11/states-in-crisis-the-worst-budget-battles-since-the-great-recession.html

[Kalkin]

All that fancy edjamakayshin and libtards couldn't figure out how the electoral college works? lulz.

[Chris]

If you go look at the details of the study, https://wallethub.com/edu/most-educated-states/31075/, you find it lacking in detail and logic.

One measure was high-school diploma holders, mmm, OK, but the next measures involve higher and higher levels of education with no indication what state the diploma was obtained in.

Another is university quality, uh, what is that, how is it measured, they don't say.

Next they include race and sex gaps in education, what, wait, what's thxis got to do with educational quality.

When the input is weak, so is the output.

And here's there results:

https://i.snag.gy/2CjpHT.jpg

The glaring problem with it is the gray area should include many more red and blue states.

https://i.snag.gy/qWB0GQ.jpg

But that wouldn't support any genda.

Moreover, how is a state determined to be Democrat or Republican? I see no alignment there. And if we go down to the purple map of how counties voted, there's no connection.

[zelmo1234]

I was looking, can't find a chart. I did find some surprising info though. It looks like a whole lotta states are suffering right now from reduced income. The booming economy doesn't seem to be working for them. My state of Kansas actually raised taxes (long story) so we have more money coming in than in decades but it seems most of the others don't.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/11/states-in-crisis-the-worst-budget-battles-since-the-great-recession.html
There was a lot of 25 and out that was going on with many states.

the ACA is a burden on all of them, and most will not be able to honor their pensions that they have promised their past workers

[Crepitus]

There was a lot of 25 and out that was going on with many states.

the ACA is a burden on all of them, and most will not be able to honor their pensions that they have promised their past workers

Turning the medicaid expansion down is a burden on many of them and pension problems are due to mismanagement (on both sides of the aisle) but the link I provided is talking about shrinking revenues not growing obligations.

[zelmo1234]

Turning the medicaid expansion down is a burden on many of them and pension problems are due to mismanagement (on both sides of the aisle) but the link I provided is talking about shrinking revenues not growing obligations.
Actually those that took it are starting to see the reduction in federal dollars and will be on their own in a few years if they don't get this Turd in tinfoil of a bill repealed.

So it is actually part of what is causing the problems

[Crepitus]

Turning the medicaid expansion down is a burden on many of them and pension problems are due to mismanagement (on both sides of the aisle) but the link I provided is talking about shrinking revenues not growing obligations.

Not so much:


Enhanced Matching Rates. In some instances, Medicaid provides a higher matching rate for select services or populations, the most notable being the ACA Medicaid expansion enhanced match rate. For those states that expand, the federal government will pay 100 percent of Medicaid costs of those newly eligible from 2014 to 2016.1 The federal share gradually phases down to 90 percent in 2020 and remains at that level. There is no deadline to adopt the expansion; however, the federal match rates are tied to specific years.

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/medicaid-financing-how-does-it-work-and-what-are-the-implications/

[Kacper]

Strange that when Virginia was a red state, we were on the naughty list all the time--a real taker state--but now that we are blue, we are on all the nice lists.

[Chris]

Strange that when Virginia was a red state, we were on the naughty list all the time--a real taker state--but now that we are blue, we are on all the nice lists.

Par for the course with a liberal media.

[zelmo1234]

Strange that when Virginia was a red state, we were on the naughty list all the time--a real taker state--but now that we are blue, we are on all the nice lists.

It is likely due to the expansion of the Federal Gov. in the Obama years. DC I think is not the wealthiest city in the USA....

[Kacper]

Par for the course with a liberal media.

I liked it better when we were a nobody cared state. Now that attention gets paid to us, we have been contaminated with the partisan bickering virus that is getting out of control. When judges who are going to be confirmed anyway don't get confirmed because conformations are used as hostages in some other fight having nothing to do with the courts, the judges, etc, it gets old quick.

[Kacper]

It is likely due to the expansion of the Federal Gov. in the Obama years. DC I think is not the wealthiest city in the USA....
Northern Virginia still declares itself the real Virginians and the rest of us the taker Virginians so at least we rednecks still have that to look forward to :)

[zelmo1234]

Northern Virginia still declares itself the real Virginians and the rest of us the taker Virginians so at least we rednecks still have that to look forward to :)
I think that I would rather be a taker than live in that mess. LOL

[gamewell45]

10 most and least educated states (https://life360.tips/education/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-the-u-s-3010)

This is and interesting list. The piece is nonpolitical, they aren't dividing the states from blue to red, but if you look at it that way it's obvious which party believes in education.

Most:

Massachusetts
Maryland
Connecticut
Vermont
Colorado
Virginia
New Hampshire
Minnesota
Washington
New Jersey

Least:

New Mexico
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Nevada
Kentucky
Alabama
Arkansas
Louisiana
West Virginia
Mississippi

While it isn't a perfect division it is an obvious one. Democratic states are better educated. That's probably why they are more Democratic.

That's an interesting observation; my son and daughter-in-law, once they start having children, plan on moving from SC back to NY or Vermont specifically for better education for their children. They say the schools where they live are horrid and want their kids to get the best public school education they can. I know NY isn't on the list but they remember their childhood days in NY School districts and feel comfortable enough returning north for that alone.

[Kacper]

I think that I would rather be a taker than live in that mess. LOL

I used to. It has its virtues and vices. I don't miss the day to day stuff at all, but every now and then it was pretty awesome to attend an event with someone you really are interested in, particularly at the Smithsonian, or pop into a university when someone noteworthy was speaking.

[bajisima]

10 most and least educated states (https://life360.tips/education/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-the-u-s-3010)

This is and interesting list. The piece is nonpolitical, they aren't dividing the states from blue to red, but if you look at it that way it's obvious which party believes in education.

Most:

Massachusetts
Maryland
Connecticut
Vermont
Colorado
Virginia
New Hampshire
Minnesota
Washington
New Jersey

Least:

New Mexico
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Nevada
Kentucky
Alabama
Arkansas
Louisiana
West Virginia
Mississippi

While it isn't a perfect division it is an obvious one. Democratic states are better educated. That's probably why they are more Democratic.

What makes a state democratic? Massachusetts has a GOP governor as does half of the best educated states. Education has very little to do with how a state votes federally, education is a local thing. NH is solid red at the local level with both governor and legislature. Saying a state is red or blue based solely on presidential elections is dumb.

[bajisima]

That's an interesting observation; my son and daughter-in-law, once they start having children, plan on moving from SC back to NY or Vermont specifically for better education for their children. They say the schools where they live are horrid and want their kids to get the best public school education they can. I know NY isn't on the list but they remember their childhood days in NY School districts and feel comfortable enough returning north for that alone.


NY was considered a great place for education because of its Regents system. It came under fire a decade or so ago because it used "tracking" to determine a students ability. If one were smart they were put in the Regents system where they took specialized tests for college. If they were not they were either sent to straight classes or BOCES, which was like trade classes. Many felt it unfairly determined a childs fate. But it did produce resutlts. Now too many high schools treat everyone as if they must go to college and that isnt always true.

[gamewell45]

NY was considered a great place for education because of its Regents system. It came under fire a decade or so ago because it used "tracking" to determine a students ability. If one were smart they were put in the Regents system where they took specialized tests for college. If they were not they were either sent to straight classes or BOCES, which was like trade classes. Many felt it unfairly determined a childs fate. But it did produce resutlts. Now too many high schools treat everyone as if they must go to college and that isnt always true.

Very true; one of my kids graduated with a Regents diploma and went straight off to college; the other one graduated with a General Diploma and went straight off to the Marines.

[Mister D]

Demographics plays an obvious role as one glance at the bottom 5 would suggest.

[bajisima]

Very true; one of my kids graduated with a Regents diploma and went straight off to college; the other one graduated with a General Diploma and went straight off to the Marines.
At one time getting a Regents diploma was a huge deal. It made getting into college a lot easier. It also allowed those who either were gifted in other areas to not fall behind or get frustrated. They were allowed to enter a vocational trade where often times that led them into various apprenticeships with local tradesmen. It also gave them a leg up so to speak into getting a great career.

[bajisima]

Demographics plays an obvious role as one glance at the bottom 5 would suggest.
Money plays a bigger role. Check out the salaries and costs of living differences. Its a vicious cycle.

[Mister D]

Money plays a bigger role. Check out the salaries and costs of living differences. Its a vicious cycle.
New York failed to make the top 10 yet spends the most per pupil. Colorado ranks high but spends significantly less than average. There's a lot more going on here...

[Captdon]

10 most and least educated states (https://life360.tips/education/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-the-u-s-3010)

This is and interesting list. The piece is nonpolitical, they aren't dividing the states from blue to red, but if you look at it that way it's obvious which party believes in education.

Most:

Massachusetts
Maryland
Connecticut
Vermont
Colorado
Virginia
New Hampshire
Minnesota
Washington
New Jersey

Least:

New Mexico
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Nevada
Kentucky
Alabama
Arkansas
Louisiana
West Virginia
Mississippi

While it isn't a perfect division it is an obvious one. Democratic states are better educated. That's probably why they are more Democratic.

Did you read how they came up with this? It's just another useless attack on the right. There are more dummies in NY and CA to make this stupid.

[Captdon]

Data almost 10 years old from the beginning of the recovery.

But actual data.

[Captdon]

I think that I would rather be a taker than live in that mess. LOL

The whole taker crap is a liberal trick. What DC gives away has nothing to do with the state. My state doesn't "take" anything. The poor do but that's on them. It's not the state, it's the feds.


Using the liberal metric we have been allowing the blue states to give away the bank because we allow deductions for it all. This years tax bill showed that. Now the states that give away everything will have to either pay for it or stop it.

You won't hear anything but a denial here because it doesn't fit the leftist narrative.

[Crepitus]

Did you read how they came up with this? It's just another useless attack on the right. There are more dummies in NY and CA to make this stupid.

That linked article was no political.

[Crepitus]

But actual data.

And?

[donttread]

10 most and least educated states (https://life360.tips/education/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-the-u-s-3010)

This is and interesting list. The piece is nonpolitical, they aren't dividing the states from blue to red, but if you look at it that way it's obvious which party believes in education.

Most:

Massachusetts
Maryland
Connecticut
Vermont
Colorado
Virginia
New Hampshire
Minnesota
Washington
New Jersey

Least:

New Mexico
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Nevada
Kentucky
Alabama
Arkansas
Louisiana
West Virginia
Mississippi

While it isn't a perfect division it is an obvious one. Democratic states are better educated. That's probably why they are more Democratic.


Well Maryland and Virginia are boosted by DC lackeys with vauge graduate degrees.

[Captdon]

That linked article was no political.

But you made it political. You can't play for both sides.

[Tahuyaman]

10 most and least educated states (https://life360.tips/education/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-the-u-s-3010)

This is and interesting list. The piece is nonpolitical, they aren't dividing the states from blue to red, but if you look at it that way it's obvious which party believes in education.

Most:

Massachusetts
Maryland
Connecticut
Vermont
Colorado
Virginia
New Hampshire
Minnesota
Washington
New Jersey

Least:

New Mexico
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Nevada
Kentucky
Alabama
Arkansas
Louisiana
West Virginia
Mississippi

While it isn't a perfect division it is an obvious one. Democratic states are better educated. That's probably why they are more Democratic.


The higher educated states are probably propped up by the conservatives who live there.

[Tahuyaman]

That linked article was no political.


It was "no political"? What state are you from?

[Crepitus]

The higher educated states are probably propped up by the conservatives who live there.

What about the lower educated states that have lots of conservatives living in them?

[Crepitus]

It was "no political"? What state are you from?

Did you guys all turn inta English teachers? It's a friggin typo. Get over it.

[Mister D]

What about the lower educated states that have lots of conservatives living in them?
They also have lots of black people. Coincidence I'm sure. Oh, and black Democrats I might add. lol

[The Xl]

One can be educated without going in debt to go to indoctrination centers.

[Crepitus]

They also have lots of black people. Coincidence I'm sure. Oh, and black Democrats I might add. lol

Can't be that many.

[Mister D]

Can't be that many.

Oh, I'd hate to break this to you but Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana are all over 25% black. Oklahoma and New Mexico have large Native American populations. These are populations that statistically do very poorly and that is bound to drag the rankings of said states down. Now let's turn to the most educated states, shall we? We have bastions of whiteness, such as CT, VT, MN, CO WA, MA and NH. 7 out of the top 10!

Maybe it's a coincidence? Or maybe demographics plays a role here. Real head scratcher...

[Crepitus]

Oh, I'd hate to break this to you but Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana are all over 25% black. Oklahoma and New Mexico have large Native American populations. These are populations that statistically do very poorly and that is bound to drag the rankings of said states down. Now let's turn to the most educated states, shall we? We have bastions of whiteness, such as CT, VT, MN, CO WA, MA and NH. 7 out of the top 10!

Maybe it's a coincidence? Or maybe demographics plays a role here. Real head scratcher...

And?

[Dr. Who]

Oh, I'd hate to break this to you but Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana are all over 25% black. Oklahoma and New Mexico have large Native American populations. These are populations that statistically do very poorly and that is bound to drag the rankings of said states down. Now let's turn to the most educated states, shall we? We have bastions of whiteness, such as CT, VT, MN, CO WA, MA and NH. 7 out of the top 10!

Maybe it's a coincidence? Or maybe demographics plays a role here. Real head scratcher...
Or maybe it's because education isn't well funded in those states because nothing is well funded in those states. They some of the poorest states in the union.

[Crepitus]

Or maybe it's because education isn't well funded in those states because nothing is well funded in those states. They some of the poorest states in the union.
There's also the fact that if there really were enough democrats in those states to throw off the education thing that far they would be blue States and not red.

[Mister D]

And?
And since these states have large populations of statistically poor students it is bound to drag their rank down significantly. Wait...I just said that.

[Mister D]

There's also the fact that if there really were enough democrats in those states to throw off the education thing that far they would be blue States and not red.
Are you really this dense?

[Mister D]

Or maybe it's because education isn't well funded in those states because nothing is well funded in those states. They some of the poorest states in the union.
Then you would have to explain why, for example, Utah ranks #11 but spends less on education than any of the states in the bottom 10. Idaho ranks #37 but spends slightly more than Utah. NY spends the most yet fails to make the top 10. I could on but I thin that's enough to demonstrate a lack of any meaningful correlation between more spending and higher achievement.

BTW, D.C. which is left off this list spends the most per student and ranks lowest in educational attainment.

[Ethereal]

Then you would have to explain why, for example, Utah ranks #11 but spends less on education than any of the states in the bottom 10. Idaho ranks #37 but spends only slightly more than Utah. NY spends the most yet fails to make the top 10. I could on but I thin that's enough to demonstrate a lack of any meaningful correlation between more spending and higher achievement.

BTW, D.C. which is left off this list spends the most per student and ranks lowest in educational attainment.
Not sure if it's been brought up yet, but I have little doubt that when you break it down by county or municipality, the poor educational outcomes are concentrated largely within Democrat municipalities like Chicago and Detroit. Incidentally, such municipalities tend to spend lavishly on their "education" systems.

[Mister D]

Hmmm...it seems Louisiana (one of the lowest for educational attainment) spends more per pupil than Colorado (#5) and Washington (#9).

[Mister D]

Not sure if it's been brought up yet, but I have little doubt that when you break it down by county or municipality, the poor educational outcomes are concentrated largely within Democrat municipalities like Chicago and Detroit. Incidentally, such municipalities tend to spend lavishly on their "education" systems.
Most likely.

[Ethereal]

Most likely.
It's why Democrats always use State-level data. That way, they can blame red States for the failures of blue counties and cities.

For example, Louisiana is home to New Orleans. New Orleans drags the State down in almost every metric, education included.

[zelmo1234]

I think that it is OK to say that the rank and file Democrats on Main street don't understand what is going on, but make NO mistake.

The DNC is hell bent on keeping those education scores low in areas where their minority voters live. There is a very quick fix to that, and it is to give the parents a choice of where they would like to send their children, instead of forcing them to send them to failing schools with Teacher that don't give a shit.

[Crepitus]

Are you really this dense?

Kinda what I was wondering about you.

[Mister D]

Kinda what I was wondering about you.
Well, you are from Kansas...LOL

Crepitus, your red state/blue state comparisons are...stupid. They're stupid. They're for stupid people. I'm just having fun at your expense but the truth is if you want to talk about why some states fare worse than others you have to look at several factors and demographics is among them. Progressives may not like to look too closely. :wink:

[Mister D]

It's why Democrats always use State-level data. That way, they can blame red States for the failures of blue counties and cities.

For example, Louisiana is home to New Orleans. New Orleans drags the State down in almost every metric, education included.

LA also has one of the largest black populations in the country. Blacks do poorly overall. It's obvious and indisputable that this demographic reality will have stark consequences for LA's educational system. That said, yes, NO is a toilet.

[Captdon]

The whole thing is bullshit. If SC isn't in the bottom 10 it's a fake. We are 49th or 50th year after year.

[Captdon]

What about the lower educated states that have lots of conservatives living in them?

The liberals drag us down.

[Dr. Who]

Then you would have to explain why, for example, Utah ranks #11 but spends less on education than any of the states in the bottom 10. Idaho ranks #37 but spends slightly more than Utah. NY spends the most yet fails to make the top 10. I could on but I thin that's enough to demonstrate a lack of any meaningful correlation between more spending and higher achievement.

BTW, D.C. which is left off this list spends the most per student and ranks lowest in educational attainment.

There is a correlation between family income and education funding. Since most educational funding is derived from property taxes and private fundraising, schools in middle-class areas are funded better than schools in poorer areas and also have the benefit of better-paid teachers. In addition, the educational achievement of parents is a significant factor in educational outcome.
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/01/20/states-with-the-best-and-worst-schools-4/2/

[Chris]

There is a correlation between family income and education funding. Since most educational funding is derived from property taxes and private fundraising, schools in middle-class areas are funded better than schools in poorer areas and also have the benefit of better-paid teachers. In addition, the educational achievement of parents is a significant factor in educational outcome.
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/01/20/states-with-the-best-and-worst-schools-4/2/

Those are two completely separate ideas, so let's separate.


There is a correlation between family income and education funding. Since most educational funding is derived from property taxes and private fundraising, schools in middle-class areas are funded better than schools in poorer areas and also have the benefit of better-paid teachers.

But that correlation correlates to educational achievement how? Earlier posts indicate there no correlation.


In addition, the educational achievement of parents is a significant factor in educational outcome.

So what accounts for parental educational achievement? Educational achievement seems to be the question here.

[Adelaide]

States with higher amounts of educated residents also tend to have more universities or more universities of a higher caliber. If Alabama had multiple top-tier schools and an Ivy league school or two they would probably rank much, much higher. As it is, they do not have many universities comparatively to many east coast and west coast states (where there is also a higher population density). Students tend to stick around their alma mater for a variety of reasons; friends and work/internship experience/opportunities being two examples where connections are made that keep students in the same location/state as their university.

[Adelaide]

Then you would have to explain why, for example, Utah ranks #11 but spends less on education than any of the states in the bottom 10. Idaho ranks #37 but spends slightly more than Utah. NY spends the most yet fails to make the top 10. I could on but I thin that's enough to demonstrate a lack of any meaningful correlation between more spending and higher achievement.

BTW, D.C. which is left off this list spends the most per student and ranks lowest in educational attainment.

DC is a weird example. Many people who work in DC opt to live in Virginia. The areas of NOVA in the "DC area" are the most educated in the country, as well as some of the wealthiest. They don't count towards the tally for DC but it's simply cheaper and/or safer to live on the Virginia side, and sometimes easier for traveling depending on the situation. In a normal city/state it would count towards the tally but because of state lines it cuts out the massive suburban sprawl of wealthy, highly-educated people who would be considered DC residents if not for those lines.

[Mister D]

There is a correlation between family income and education funding. Since most educational funding is derived from property taxes and private fundraising, schools in middle-class areas are funded better than schools in poorer areas and also have the benefit of better-paid teachers. In addition, the educational achievement of parents is a significant factor in educational outcome.
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/01/20/states-with-the-best-and-worst-schools-4/2/
Actually, no. Middle class schools are not better funded. The difference is that they are funded by the people who live there. Urban schools are paid for largely through state and federal tax dollars (in that order). In fact, spending per pupil is often higher in urban areas.

[Mister D]

DC is a weird example. Many people who work in DC opt to live in Virginia. The areas of NOVA in the "DC area" are the most educated in the country, as well as some of the wealthiest. They don't count towards the tally for DC but it's simply cheaper and/or safer to live on the Virginia side, and sometimes easier for traveling depending on the situation. In a normal city/state it would count towards the tally but because of state lines it cuts out the massive suburban sprawl of wealthy, highly-educated people who would be considered DC residents if not for those lines.

They don't count because they don't attend schools in D.C. We're talking about K through 12.

[Mister D]

Actually, no. Middle class schools are not better funded. The difference is that they are funded by the people who live there. Urban schools are paid for largely through state and federal tax dollars (in that order). In fact, spending per pupil is often higher in urban areas.
I might add that the brothuz in Newark go to school on the white taxpayer's dime. The least they could do is pay attention.

[Adelaide]

They don't count because they don't attend schools in D.C. We're talking about K through 12.

You mentioned the list and said something about the education system. The education system in NOVA is fantastic - many great high schools. Also happens to be where most of the educated and wealthy DC workers live. The border cuts off people from officially living in DC but who live in the DC-area. I am saying that it's a weird/poor example since if it were a regular state where the sprawl would be included, it would look a lot differently.

[Mister D]

You mentioned the list and said something about the education system. The education system in NOVA is fantastic - many great high schools. Also happens to be where most of the educated and wealthy DC workers live. The border cuts off people from officially living in DC but who live in the DC-area. I am saying that it's a weird/poor example since if it were a regular state where the sprawl would be included, it would look a lot differently.

I'm sure NOVA is great but D.C. is a great example of a community where spending is very high and results are abysmal. The point being argued is that if we just spent more we'd get better results. This delusion persists among progressives despite a great deal of real world data demonstrating just how wrong it is.

[Common]

There is a correlation between family income and education funding. Since most educational funding is derived from property taxes and private fundraising, schools in middle-class areas are funded better than schools in poorer areas and also have the benefit of better-paid teachers. In addition, the educational achievement of parents is a significant factor in educational outcome.
https://247wallst.com/special-report/2017/01/20/states-with-the-best-and-worst-schools-4/2/

Thats not true anymore, New Jersey NY and Im sure other states like conn, maryland and california have laws that make spending the same across the board, those laws came about after a Scotus decision years ago.

Dr Who under performing schools are not under performing because of money. There are a variety of reasons, I have personal experience in under performing schools and students after I retired.

There are a few reasons to point at, but the number 1 reason by far is PARENTS.
Schools never did and never will be able to take a kid and teach them what should have been taught at home. Its IMPOSSIBLE. Ive fed kids that came to school hungry out of my own pocket, I bought kids clothes that came to school in the same dirty shit and were embarrassed to come.

These parents get welfare and food stamps and they spend it on something else.
I was poor but I had values instilled in me. Remember this Doc theres a huge difference between being poor and being a poor scumbag.

Merely being poor doesnt make you a scumbag

[Crepitus]

The liberals drag us down.

Lol, as previously mentioned, if there were enough liberal there to cause that they wouldn't be conservative states.

[Mister D]

Lol, as previously mentioned, if there were enough liberal there to cause that they wouldn't be conservative states.
You struggle with the simplest concepts. A significant minority that does poorly can seriously impair a state's ranking.

[Hoosier8]

10 most and least educated states (https://life360.tips/education/the-10-most-and-least-educated-states-in-the-u-s-3010)

This is and interesting list. The piece is nonpolitical, they aren't dividing the states from blue to red, but if you look at it that way it's obvious which party believes in education.

Most:

Massachusetts
Maryland
Connecticut
Vermont
Colorado
Virginia
New Hampshire
Minnesota
Washington
New Jersey

Least:

New Mexico
Oklahoma
Tennessee
Nevada
Kentucky
Alabama
Arkansas
Louisiana
West Virginia
Mississippi

While it isn't a perfect division it is an obvious one. Democratic states are better educated. That's probably why they are more Democratic.
What do you call educated? More physical training or SJW studies degrees? Some of the dumbest people I know have degrees.