FBI, Knives Kill Far More People Than Rifles In America –

[Common]

According To The FBI, Knives Kill Far More People Than Rifles In America – It’s Not Even Close
Knives kill far more people in the United States than rifles do every year.
In the wake of the horrific school shooting in Florida last week, the debate over guns in America has surged again to the forefront oft the political conversation. Seventeen students were killed when a deranged gunman rampaged through the Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland Florida. Many are calling now for stricter gun laws in the wake of the shooting, specifically targeting the AR-15 rifle and promoting the reinstatement of the assault weapons ban.
However, recent statistics from 2016 show that knives actually kill nearly five times as many people as rifles that year.
According (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12) to the FBI, 1,604 people were killed by “knives and cutting instruments” and 374 were killed by “rifles” in 2016.
http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Screen-Shot-2018-02-19-at-12.04.28-PM.png The statistics match the trends seen in previous years, which show knife murders far outnumbering rifle statistics. In 2013 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_w eapon_2009-2013.xls), knives were used to kill 1,490 and rifles were used to kill 285. Handguns far outnumber both knives and rifles in American murders. There were 7,105 murders by handgun in America in 2016.
Handguns were not included in the assault weapons ban.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/19/knives-gun-control-fbi-statistics/

[stjames1_53]

More children are beaten to death by parents/step parents than killed by firearms.
More children are hospitalized as a result of physical trauma delivered at the hands of their parents/step parents or even boyfriends.......No law stops this, how do they think it will change if more laws are enacted.
A person who is determined will not be stopped if one avenue is blocked.

[Cannons Front]

But But don't forget, facts don't matter it is all about the spin, come on just tell me how many mass murder stabbings have occurred. That is usually the first response, or Mass hammer attacks........

[Crepitus]

According To The FBI, Knives Kill Far More People Than Rifles In America – It’s Not Even Close


Knives kill far more people in the United States than rifles do every year.
In the wake of the horrific school shooting in Florida last week, the debate over guns in America has surged again to the forefront oft the political conversation. Seventeen students were killed when a deranged gunman rampaged through the Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland Florida. Many are calling now for stricter gun laws in the wake of the shooting, specifically targeting the AR-15 rifle and promoting the reinstatement of the assault weapons ban.
However, recent statistics from 2016 show that knives actually kill nearly five times as many people as rifles that year.
According (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12) to the FBI, 1,604 people were killed by “knives and cutting instruments” and 374 were killed by “rifles” in 2016.
http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Screen-Shot-2018-02-19-at-12.04.28-PM.png The statistics match the trends seen in previous years, which show knife murders far outnumbering rifle statistics. In 2013 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_w eapon_2009-2013.xls), knives were used to kill 1,490 and rifles were used to kill 285. Handguns far outnumber both knives and rifles in American murders. There were 7,105 murders by handgun in America in 2016.
Handguns were not included in the assault weapons ban.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/19/knives-gun-control-fbi-statistics/

Doesn't matter. Knives don't leave windrows of bodies at one crime scene.

[stjames1_53]

Doesn't matter. Knives don't leave windrows of bodies at one crime scene.

I take it you've already turned your firearms in, amirite?

[countryboy]

Doesn't matter.
Yes, we know.

[Crepitus]

I take it you've already turned your firearms in, amirite?

Grab yours I'll meet you at the sheriff station.

[Common Sense]

I have to wonder what "firearms, type not stated" includes.

[stjames1_53]

Grab yours I'll meet you at the sheriff station.
I'm not going anywhere. I'm not calling for any new laws, but your side want's them all. I'm supporting YOUR Right to keep them. Your buddy exo is not. Your on exo's side.

[MisterVeritis]

I have to wonder what "firearms, type not stated" includes.
That category includes firearms where the type of firearm was not stated. If you want to make assumptions use the same ratio as the rest of the report shows. Most were handguns, some were shotguns and some were rifles.

[stjames1_53]

I have to wonder what "firearms, type not stated" includes.

ray guns, finger guns, paper guns..................they all kill, so the liberals claim.

[MisterVeritis]

Grab yours I'll meet you at the sheriff station.
If you believe people should be unarmed then why is it necessary for others to act before you do?

[Cannons Front]

I have to wonder what "firearms, type not stated" includes.
Statistically they tend to be pistols, many times reports will list weapons as simply 9mm or 22 cal or 12Ga and so forth but do not include the type, it includes some weapons of every type where either the report does not specify the type or the type was not transferred from original report to data base

[Cannons Front]

ray guns, finger guns, paper guns..................they all kill, so the liberals claim.

Don't forget the Pop Tart Guns...................... https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/boy-suspended-for-chewing-breakfast-pastry-into-a-gun-shape-will-get-hearing/2013/09/13/8326c878-1bf6-11e3-8685-5021e0c41964_story.html?utm_term=.51aabea78779

[Cannons Front]

Doesn't matter. Knives don't leave windrows of bodies at one crime scene.
Called It......................................LOL

[exotix]

Anybody have the stats of knife-massacres ?

[Chris]

Doesn't matter. Knives don't leave windrows of bodies at one crime scene.

The number of victims in each case is only relevant to shock or emotional value. Shock or emotion is a natural reaction, but feelings don't make problems worse or solve problems.

[Cannons Front]

Anybody have the stats of knife-massacres ?

And now that is two................. so predictable..............LOL

[stjames1_53]

ar-15 plain stock

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.kvYnuSihhZyjiZp1AbrVXQEsBt&pid=Api
after
http://ultimatereloader.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/dales-ar-15-1200.jpg

Ruger 10/22

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fYwo_gHvUAw/Tu1qUN2KFoI/AAAAAAAAAKA/uhg66mVPXRs/s1600/ruger_banner.jpg

Now tell us, you graboids, which one is more dangerous.

[Grokmaster]

Doesn't matter. Knives don't leave windrows of bodies at one crime scene.

Not sure how that is more important than the total killed, but:

33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/33-dead-130-injured-china-knife-wielding-spree-n41966

[Grokmaster]

I have to wonder what "firearms, type not stated" includes.


22806

[Grokmaster]

Anybody have the stats of knife-massacres ?
He already posted the TOTAL NUMBERS = what actually matters.

[Grokmaster]

ar-15 plain stock

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.kvYnuSihhZyjiZp1AbrVXQEsBt&pid=Api
after
http://ultimatereloader.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/dales-ar-15-1200.jpg

Ruger 10/22

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fYwo_gHvUAw/Tu1qUN2KFoI/AAAAAAAAAKA/uhg66mVPXRs/s1600/ruger_banner.jpg

Now tell us, you graboids, which one is more dangerous.

Your 1st pick is an M14...in .308 far more dangerous than an AR15...but not as "scary looking."

[Crepitus]

The number of victims in each case is only relevant to shock or emotional value. Shock or emotion is a natural reaction, but feelings don't make problems worse or solve problems.

The number of victims doesn't matter?

Did you really just say that?

[Mister D]

The number of victims doesn't matter?

Did you really just say that?
He said it only matter son an emotional level. He's right.

[Grokmaster]

The number of victims doesn't matter?

Did you really just say that?


"...in each case", is what he said.

Not as much as the TOTAL NUMBER of victims.

[Ransom]

The number of victims doesn't matter?

Did you really just say that?

Context Crepitus, context. Google it.

[Peter1469]

Good to see they seem to have omitted the suicides.
According To The FBI, Knives Kill Far More People Than Rifles In America – It’s Not Even Close


Knives kill far more people in the United States than rifles do every year.
In the wake of the horrific school shooting in Florida last week, the debate over guns in America has surged again to the forefront oft the political conversation. Seventeen students were killed when a deranged gunman rampaged through the Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland Florida. Many are calling now for stricter gun laws in the wake of the shooting, specifically targeting the AR-15 rifle and promoting the reinstatement of the assault weapons ban.
However, recent statistics from 2016 show that knives actually kill nearly five times as many people as rifles that year.
According (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12) to the FBI, 1,604 people were killed by “knives and cutting instruments” and 374 were killed by “rifles” in 2016.
http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Screen-Shot-2018-02-19-at-12.04.28-PM.png The statistics match the trends seen in previous years, which show knife murders far outnumbering rifle statistics. In 2013 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_w eapon_2009-2013.xls), knives were used to kill 1,490 and rifles were used to kill 285. Handguns far outnumber both knives and rifles in American murders. There were 7,105 murders by handgun in America in 2016.
Handguns were not included in the assault weapons ban.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/19/knives-gun-control-fbi-statistics/

[Chris]

The number of victims doesn't matter?

Did you really just say that?

It does in terms of shock value, in terms of driving one to solve a problem, but only interferes when you need analyze the problem and come up with solutions that actually address the problem. Your problem is it drives from start to finish so you offer illogical solutions.

Nice try at making me to look bad when it's your overreactive emotions.

[Chris]

What it boils down to is expressed in this old but well-known poem:

"For Whom the Bell Tolls"
John Donne

No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.

[zelmo1234]

Doesn't matter. Knives don't leave windrows of bodies at one crime scene.
That is because they don't have knife free zones. Sorry I could not help myself.

[zelmo1234]

Anybody have the stats of knife-massacres ?
yes there were 1604 of them last year?

What are you going to do about it.

[exotix]

He already posted the TOTAL NUMBERS = what actually matters.
yes there were 1604 of them last year?

What are you going to do about it.

My apology ... what I meant was I couldn't find the stat where a knife-massacre incident had the +/- death count as an AR-15/ Gun-Massacre incident ... that is, a mass-murderer wielding a knife who killed and wounded in a mass-murdering rampage as those massacred with an AR-15 (Virginia Tech by handguns) ...

Columbine ~ (12 dead)
Virginia Tech ~ (32 dead, 17 wounded)
Aurora ~ (12 dead, 70 wounded)
Sandy Hook ~ (27 dead)
Orlando (49 dead, 58 wounded)
Las Vegas ~ (58 dead, 851 wounded)
Sutherland Springs Church ~ (26 dead)
Parkland ~ (17 dead, 14 wounded)

[Crepitus]

That is because they don't have knife free zones. Sorry I could not help myself.

No, that's because killing people with a knife is hard, and you must be within the other person's reach to do it.

[Crepitus]

That is because they don't have knife free zones. Sorry I could not help myself.

Schools btw are knife free zones around here. So are airports and court houses.

[stjames1_53]

My apology ... what I meant was I couldn't find the stat where a knife-massacre incident had the +/- death count as an AR-15/ Gun-Massacre incident ... that is, a mass-murderer wielding a knife who killed and wounded in a mass-murdering rampage as those massacred with an AR-15 (Virginia Tech by handguns) ...

Columbine ~ (12 dead)
Virginia Tech ~ (32 dead, 17 wounded)
Aurora ~ (12 dead, 70 wounded)
Sandy Hook ~ (27 dead)
Orlando (49 dead, 58 wounded)
Las Vegas ~ (58 dead, 851 wounded)
Sutherland Springs Church ~ (26 dead)
Parkland ~ (17 dead, 14 wounded)

on sweet Mary in the morning...get off your freaking gun kick.all you done is whine and b!tch about this with no solution. So that 's all you want to do , is b!tch and whine.
You ever hear that one about the louder you scream, the less I am apt to pay attention?
You have a chance to offer up a solution, and you refuse. Your loss, not mine

[stjames1_53]

Schools btw are knife free zones around here. So are airports and court houses.

they are also heavily guarded whereas our schools are not

[stjames1_53]

yes there were 1604 of them last year?

What are you going to do about it.
and there were more fatalities last year from people driving and celling. You wont see exo demanding cell phone control.

[Cannons Front]

Schools btw are knife free zones around here. So are airports and court houses.
Airports are not knife free zones, airplanes are, you can have a knife in an airport, you just can not take it on the plane or through security. I have never seen a knife free zone sign......

[Cannons Front]

My apology ... what I meant was I couldn't find the stat where a knife-massacre incident had the +/- death count as an AR-15/ Gun-Massacre incident ... that is, a mass-murderer wielding a knife who killed and wounded in a mass-murdering rampage as those massacred with an AR-15 (Virginia Tech by handguns) ... Columbine ~ (12 dead)
Virginia Tech ~ (32 dead, 17 wounded)
Aurora ~ (12 dead, 70 wounded)
Sandy Hook ~ (27 dead)
Orlando (49 dead, 58 wounded)
Las Vegas ~ (58 dead, 851 wounded)
Sutherland Springs Church ~ (26 dead)
Parkland ~ (17 dead, 14 wounded)

@Grokmaster Gave a perfect example see post 20 166 total casualties 33 dead, so it would place 3rd in deaths and 2nd in total victims on your list....... you must have missed it

[stjames1_53]

Grokmaster Gave a perfect example see post 20 166 total casualties 33 dead, so it would place 3rd in deaths and 2nd in total victims on your list....... you must have missed it

but but but, it's the guns

[Cannons Front]

Well a couple minute search seems to show that Knives are used in mass attacks, and they kill school kids too

In Japan, in 2001 a janitor wielding a kitchen knife killed eight children (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre) at an Osaka school where he worked, while a man in Tokyo (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre) went on a random stabbing spree with a dagger in 2008, killing four people. In South Korea, a disgruntled man killed eight people (http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/10/20/6-killed-in-arson-stabbing-rampage-in-south-korea/) in a stabbing spree at his apartment complex in 2008. In Germany, a drunk 16-year-old stabbed 41 people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Hauptbahnhof#Opening_ceremony) at the opening ceremony of a Berlin train station. And last year, anti-knife campaigns ramped up in the U.K after a 13-year-old girl was stabbed to death (http://www.examiner.com/article/knives-replace-handguns-uk-as-weapon-of-choice). All of these countries have tight gun control laws, and rates of violent crime involving knives reflect that. According to the United Nations Office of Drugs and Crime (http://www.unodc.org/documents/data-and-analysis/statistics/Homicide/Globa_study_on_homicide_2011_web.pdf), firearms account for 76 percent of homicide weapons in the Americas (30 countries), while knives make up just 10 percent of those crimes. In Europe (32 countries), on the other hand, guns are involved in 36 percent of murders and knives are involved in 43 percent.

This is one from just last month......BEIJING (Reuters) - A woman was killed and 12 other people injured after a man carried out a knife attack in a mall in a busy shopping district in the Chinese capital, Beijing, police said on Sunday.
It seems that Crazy people use whatever weapon is available to them..... Man I have heard that somewhere........

[Crepitus]

they are also heavily guarded whereas our schools are not

Every school around here has had armed resource officers since the 80's. We had one of the "original" school shootings back on January 21st, 1985. Alan Kirby shot up Goddard Kansas Jr High. I was a couple of blocks away, a Sr in the high school.

Incidentally he had a bolt action rifle and only shot 4 people with just one death.

[Crepitus]

Airports are not knife free zones, airplanes are, you can have a knife in an airport, you just can not take it on the plane or through security. I have never seen a knife free zone sign......

Check in is as far as you will get. Past the lobby no knives.

[zelmo1234]

[QUOTE=stjames1_53;2293915]but but but, it's the guns [/QUOTE

Well it is a proven fact that you are 2.5 times more dead if you are killed with a gun.

If anyone has ever seen a crime scene where there has been a knife attack, it is gruesome Especially if the person knew what they were doing and cut rather than stabbed.

[zelmo1234]

Every school around here has had armed resource officers since the 80's. We had one of the "original" school shootings back on January 21st, 1985. Alan Kirby shot up Goddard Kansas Jr High. I was a couple of blocks away, a Sr in the high school.

Incidentally he had a bolt action rifle and only shot 4 people with just one death.
The scary gun for me?

If we ever hear of one of these and God Forbid the person knows how to use it.

http://i25.tinypic.com/69dmhl.jpg

[Crepitus]

The scary gun for me?

If we ever hear of one of these and God Forbid the person knows how to use it.

http://i25.tinypic.com/69dmhl.jpg

Izzat an 870 Remington? I've never seen one plated like that.

[zelmo1234]

Izzat an 870 Remington? I've never seen one plated like that.
Marine Magnum. Yes it is an 870 they make it in the 11-87 as well, and with a speed loader I would hate to think of the carnage

[Crepitus]

Marine Magnum. Yes it is an 870 they make it in the 11-87 as well, and with a speed loader I would hate to think of the carnage

The would be bad, no doubt.

[Cannons Front]

Check in is as far as you will get. Past the lobby no knives.

Every airport is designed different, how far you go is determined by that, not sure how many Kansas airports are I have only been to Wichita and that was only once, I do not recall it's layout. But in every airport I have been in there is no security screening until you enter the gate area, some small airports that is not much space, but many airports have huge
non-gated unsecure areas with eateries, stores etc.... and then there is the arrival side that again is outside the secure areas where baggage claim ground transport etc. are located. As far as that goes many airports do not restrict Concealed Carry until you reach the screening line.

[Grokmaster]

22830

[Peter1469]

Right. Don't forget death from doctors. That is the highest kill rate.


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[Crepitus]

Every airport is designed different, how far you go is determined by that, not sure how many Kansas airports are I have only been to Wichita and that was only once, I do not recall it's layout. But in every airport I have been in there is no security screening until you enter the gate area, some small airports that is not much space, but many airports have huge
non-gated unsecure areas with eateries, stores etc.... and then there is the arrival side that again is outside the secure areas where baggage claim ground transport etc. are located. As far as that goes many airports do not restrict Concealed Carry until you reach the screening line.

The majority of the space is past security where I have been. TBH I haven't flown much in the last 15 years or so. I used too all the time.

[Peter1469]

Through my job, I got a tour of Dulles and its security systems. What you see is eye candy to keep you from noticing what real measures security are doing. I understand the TSA screws up often, but what goes on outside of the screening that you see is massive.

For those who like to have a drink before a flight- they monitor that. They count drinks. And if you move from bar to bar, they know that and tell the aircraft crew.

And there is a team, separate from the line TSA uniform agents watching every move you make.
The majority of the space is past security where I have been. TBH I haven't flown much in the last 15 years or so. I used too all the time.

[Crepitus]

Through my job, I got a tour of Dulles and its security systems. What you see is eye candy to keep you from noticing what real measures security are doing. I understand the TSA screws up often, but what goes on outside of the screening that you see is massive.

For those who like to have a drink before a flight- they monitor that. They count drinks. And if you move from bar to bar, they know that and tell the aircraft crew.

And there is a team, separate from the line TSA uniform agents watching every move you make.

Not surprising. When terrorists use anything besides and ar-15 in an attack steps are taken to ensure they can't repeat.

[Mister D]

I remember the box cutter ban after 9---oh wait

[Captdon]

Doesn't matter. Knives don't leave windrows of bodies at one crime scene.

Right. 50 killings is okay as long as it isn't at one place at one time.

[Grokmaster]

Right. Don't forget death from doctors. That is the highest kill rate.

Yep. We clearly must ban doctors, as they are a menace !!!

[MMC]

Right. Don't forget death from doctors. That is the highest kill rate.

Yep, over a quarter million dead from medical errors. According to Leftist thinking then we should ban doctors Right?

[Peter1469]

Yep, over a quarter million dead from medical errors. According to Leftist thinking then we should ban doctors Right?
per year

[Crepitus]

I remember the box cutter ban after 9---oh wait

Try to get one past airport security.

Stupid strawman distraction.

[donttread]

According To The FBI, Knives Kill Far More People Than Rifles In America – It’s Not Even Close


Knives kill far more people in the United States than rifles do every year.
In the wake of the horrific school shooting in Florida last week, the debate over guns in America has surged again to the forefront oft the political conversation. Seventeen students were killed when a deranged gunman rampaged through the Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland Florida. Many are calling now for stricter gun laws in the wake of the shooting, specifically targeting the AR-15 rifle and promoting the reinstatement of the assault weapons ban.
However, recent statistics from 2016 show that knives actually kill nearly five times as many people as rifles that year.
According (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-12) to the FBI, 1,604 people were killed by “knives and cutting instruments” and 374 were killed by “rifles” in 2016.
http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Screen-Shot-2018-02-19-at-12.04.28-PM.png The statistics match the trends seen in previous years, which show knife murders far outnumbering rifle statistics. In 2013 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_8_murder_victims_by_w eapon_2009-2013.xls), knives were used to kill 1,490 and rifles were used to kill 285. Handguns far outnumber both knives and rifles in American murders. There were 7,105 murders by handgun in America in 2016.
Handguns were not included in the assault weapons ban.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/02/19/knives-gun-control-fbi-statistics/

As do cars going over 30 MPH and oddly no one is trying to ban either. I wonder how many control freaks drive 85 enroute to a gun control rally?