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Wehrwolfen
03-01-2018, 08:31 PM
Half a Century of Blaming White Racism for Black America's Problems




By Thomas Lifson (https://www.americanthinker.com/author/thomas_lifson/)
March 1, 2018


For half a century, the federal government has pursued a disastrous strategy in addressing the problems of black Americans. They were designated a victim class, and enormous sums of money were expended on incentives to perpetuate that status.
The welfare state has perpetuated multi-generational pathologies, while the encouragement of victimology and the blame placed on white racism have poisoned race relations instead of healing them.
It's fair to say the United States government began its long and catastrophic commitment to this approach fifty years ago today (or yesterday): February 29, 1968. On that day, the Kerner Commission (officially the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders) delivered its report (official summary (http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/docs/kerner.pdf); full 400-plus pages (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/8073NCJRS.pdf)), [http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/docs/kerner.pdf] and white racism was officially blamed for the problems of black America.

White racism is essentially responsible for the explosive mixture which has been accumulating in our cities since the end of World War II.
In those days, I was already a political junkie who read the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and a local paper and watched network news. I remember well the huge fuss the media made over the Kerner Commission Report. It kicked off an extended campaign that was often labeled a "national soul-searching."
~snip~
The effects of the report were far-reaching. The powerful institutions of America were put on notice that consciously or not, they were perpetuating racism:

Segregation and poverty have created in the racial ghetto a destructive environment totally unknown to most white Americans. What white Americans have never fully understood but what the Negro can never forget – is that white society is deeply implicated in the ghetto. White institutions created it, white institutions maintain it, and white society condones it.
The report put racism on the agenda of every organization.
~snip~
Now, half a century later, the dogma of racism and victimhood has been thoroughly institutionalized, with vast industries of bureaucrats, bean-counters, tort lawyers, activists, community organizers, social service agencies, and nonprofits with government grants. These make up a lobbying force to be reckoned with. They have a lot of clout.
But half a century is a long time for a political orthodoxy to reign.
For half a century, the federal government has pursued a disastrous strategy in addressing the problems of black Americans. They were designated a victim class, and enormous sums of money were expended on incentives to perpetuate that status.




Source: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/03/half_a_century_of_blaming_white_racism_for_black_a mericas_problems.html#ixzz58XZB1qlu


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Americans have been hearing the sob story of Blacks for more than forty years now and nothing has changed. Nothing. There have been many populations who have experienced racism - the Jews, the Irish, Italians and more.. there is no reason whatsoever to continue to live in these conditions when there are so many opportunities - especially for Blacks. There is no cure - just keep complaining how their schools are underfunded even though they are disruptive, disrespectful, while given computers that disappear, can't read, can't do math, etc,.. But yet every other marginalized group has succeeded. All that LBJ did was to destroy the Black family core as we have seen.
As we have seen since the end of the Civil War, the vast majority of Blacks cannot or will not assimilate to Anglo-Saxon American culture - they have maintained a parallel culture within America that is exploitable by anti-American political forces. That has led to the subsequent stupidity regarding Social "solutions" and other policies like "immigration" from third-world hell-holes. A similar example is what is happening in sub Sahara Africa. Countries in Africa with advanced manufacturing and agriculture taken over by Blacks revert back to starvation and tribalism.
Meanwhile Progressive Socialist Democrats have abandoned them in their Blue Plantation ghettos cities and now have turned to illegal aliens to fill their jobs.

donttread
03-01-2018, 09:10 PM
Half a Century of Blaming White Racism for Black America's Problems




By Thomas Lifson (https://www.americanthinker.com/author/thomas_lifson/)
March 1, 2018


For half a century, the federal government has pursued a disastrous strategy in addressing the problems of black Americans. They were designated a victim class, and enormous sums of money were expended on incentives to perpetuate that status.
The welfare state has perpetuated multi-generational pathologies, while the encouragement of victimology and the blame placed on white racism have poisoned race relations instead of healing them.
It's fair to say the United States government began its long and catastrophic commitment to this approach fifty years ago today (or yesterday): February 29, 1968. On that day, the Kerner Commission (officially the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders) delivered its report (official summary (http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/docs/kerner.pdf); full 400-plus pages (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/8073NCJRS.pdf)), [http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/docs/kerner.pdf] and white racism was officially blamed for the problems of black America.
White racism is essentially responsible for the explosive mixture which has been accumulating in our cities since the end of World War II.

In those days, I was already a political junkie who read the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and a local paper and watched network news. I remember well the huge fuss the media made over the Kerner Commission Report. It kicked off an extended campaign that was often labeled a "national soul-searching."
~snip~
The effects of the report were far-reaching. The powerful institutions of America were put on notice that consciously or not, they were perpetuating racism:
Segregation and poverty have created in the racial ghetto a destructive environment totally unknown to most white Americans. What white Americans have never fully understood but what the Negro can never forget – is that white society is deeply implicated in the ghetto. White institutions created it, white institutions maintain it, and white society condones it.

The report put racism on the agenda of every organization.
~snip~
Now, half a century later, the dogma of racism and victimhood has been thoroughly institutionalized, with vast industries of bureaucrats, bean-counters, tort lawyers, activists, community organizers, social service agencies, and nonprofits with government grants. These make up a lobbying force to be reckoned with. They have a lot of clout.
But half a century is a long time for a political orthodoxy to reign.
For half a century, the federal government has pursued a disastrous strategy in addressing the problems of black Americans. They were designated a victim class, and enormous sums of money were expended on incentives to perpetuate that status.




Source: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/03/half_a_century_of_blaming_white_racism_for_black_a mericas_problems.html#ixzz58XZB1qlu


~~~~
Americans have been hearing the sob story of Blacks for more than forty years now and nothing has changed. Nothing. There have been many populations who have experienced racism - the Jews, the Irish, Italians and more.. there is no reason whatsoever to continue to live in these conditions when there are so many opportunities - especially for Blacks. There is no cure - just keep complaining how their schools are underfunded even though they are disruptive, disrespectful, while given computers that disappear, can't read, can't do math, etc,.. But yet every other marginalized group has succeeded. All that LBJ did was to destroy the Black family core as we have seen.
As we have seen since the end of the Civil War, the vast majority of Blacks cannot or will not assimilate to Anglo-Saxon American culture - they have maintained a parallel culture within America that is exploitable by anti-American political forces. That has led to the subsequent stupidity regarding Social "solutions" and other policies like "immigration" from third-world hell-holes. A similar example is what is happening in sub Sahara Africa. Countries in Africa with advanced manufacturing and agriculture taken over by Blacks revert back to starvation and tribalism.
Meanwhile Progressive Socialist Democrats have abandoned them in their Blue Plantation ghettos cities and now have turned to illegal aliens to fill their jobs.

The feds collectively have pursued the exact policies that keep the donkephant in power

Safety
03-01-2018, 09:29 PM
Hmmmm, weren't we just talking about identity politics and how only liberals engaged in it?

Captdon
03-01-2018, 09:32 PM
Hmmmm, weren't we just talking about identity politics and how only liberals engaged in it?

But we aren't talking about it now.

Safety
03-01-2018, 09:32 PM
Half a Century of Blaming White Racism for Black America's Problems




By Thomas Lifson (https://www.americanthinker.com/author/thomas_lifson/)
March 1, 2018


For half a century, the federal government has pursued a disastrous strategy in addressing the problems of black Americans. They were designated a victim class, and enormous sums of money were expended on incentives to perpetuate that status.
The welfare state has perpetuated multi-generational pathologies, while the encouragement of victimology and the blame placed on white racism have poisoned race relations instead of healing them.
It's fair to say the United States government began its long and catastrophic commitment to this approach fifty years ago today (or yesterday): February 29, 1968. On that day, the Kerner Commission (officially the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders) delivered its report (official summary (http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/docs/kerner.pdf); full 400-plus pages (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/Digitization/8073NCJRS.pdf)), [http://www.eisenhowerfoundation.org/docs/kerner.pdf] and white racism was officially blamed for the problems of black America.

White racism is essentially responsible for the explosive mixture which has been accumulating in our cities since the end of World War II.
In those days, I was already a political junkie who read the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, and a local paper and watched network news. I remember well the huge fuss the media made over the Kerner Commission Report. It kicked off an extended campaign that was often labeled a "national soul-searching."
~snip~
The effects of the report were far-reaching. The powerful institutions of America were put on notice that consciously or not, they were perpetuating racism:

Segregation and poverty have created in the racial ghetto a destructive environment totally unknown to most white Americans. What white Americans have never fully understood but what the Negro can never forget – is that white society is deeply implicated in the ghetto. White institutions created it, white institutions maintain it, and white society condones it.
The report put racism on the agenda of every organization.
~snip~
Now, half a century later, the dogma of racism and victimhood has been thoroughly institutionalized, with vast industries of bureaucrats, bean-counters, tort lawyers, activists, community organizers, social service agencies, and nonprofits with government grants. These make up a lobbying force to be reckoned with. They have a lot of clout.
But half a century is a long time for a political orthodoxy to reign.
For half a century, the federal government has pursued a disastrous strategy in addressing the problems of black Americans. They were designated a victim class, and enormous sums of money were expended on incentives to perpetuate that status.




Source: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/03/half_a_century_of_blaming_white_racism_for_black_a mericas_problems.html#ixzz58XZB1qlu


~~~~
Americans have been hearing the sob story of Blacks for more than forty years now and nothing has changed. Nothing. There have been many populations who have experienced racism - the Jews, the Irish, Italians and more.. there is no reason whatsoever to continue to live in these conditions when there are so many opportunities - especially for Blacks. There is no cure - just keep complaining how their schools are underfunded even though they are disruptive, disrespectful, while given computers that disappear, can't read, can't do math, etc,.. But yet every other marginalized group has succeeded. All that LBJ did was to destroy the Black family core as we have seen.
As we have seen since the end of the Civil War, the vast majority of Blacks cannot or will not assimilate to Anglo-Saxon American culture - they have maintained a parallel culture within America that is exploitable by anti-American political forces. That has led to the subsequent stupidity regarding Social "solutions" and other policies like "immigration" from third-world hell-holes. A similar example is what is happening in sub Sahara Africa. Countries in Africa with advanced manufacturing and agriculture taken over by Blacks revert back to starvation and tribalism.
Meanwhile Progressive Socialist Democrats have abandoned them in their Blue Plantation ghettos cities and now have turned to illegal aliens to fill their jobs.

This is the reason the WN agenda is as bad as people say it is. How can someone "assimilate" when they are not allowed to? Rhetorical question considering the source I was responding to.

Boris The Animal
03-01-2018, 09:34 PM
Hmmmm, weren't we just talking about identity politics and how only liberals engaged in it?Identity politics goes back to time immemorial, but the Democrat party does it on steroids. On the issue of racism, I stated before that being a Conservative, I'm sick and tired of the broadbrushing characterization that "all Conservatives are racist" claptrap. Because as far as I am concerned, racists come from everywhere, be it Louis Farrakhan or David Duke. Doesn't matter to me because all racists are idiots.

Safety
03-01-2018, 09:48 PM
Identity politics goes back to time immemorial, but the Democrat party does it on steroids. On the issue of racism, I stated before that being a Conservative, I'm sick and tired of the broadbrushing characterization that "all Conservatives are racist" claptrap. Because as far as I am concerned, racists come from everywhere, be it Louis Farrakhan or David Duke. Doesn't matter to me because all racists are idiots.

I'm sure that those that belong to "identity groups" feel the same way about them being broad brushed within their perspective categories. It seems that the only reason there are "identity groups" is because of the conservative ideology. Liberals seem to want people to be able to live their lives as normal.

Boris The Animal
03-02-2018, 11:18 AM
I'm sure that those that belong to "identity groups" feel the same way about them being broad brushed within their perspective categories. It seems that the only reason there are "identity groups" is because of the conservative ideology. Liberals seem to want people to be able to live their lives as normal.Only problem is Liberals view the "collective" as opposed to Conservatives who would rather deal with the individual in mind. And I don't apologize for being one who would want to shrink the Federal Government back to its original mandates, but the way I see it, the Fed has grown way too big for its breeches.

The Xl
03-02-2018, 11:23 AM
Oh boy, this should end well.

In any case, most of the modern-day black issues can be attributed to the state. The issue with white civilians is a misplaced one. The state is responsible for the cop violence issue, the state is responsible for the drug war, the state is responsible for disarming law abiding black folk and leaving them at the mercy of gang members and crooked cops, etc. Once they get that instead of thinking that one half of the state, the dems, have their best interests in mind, a lot of the issues will solve themselves.

As far as historically in this country goes, once upon a time white racism was absolutely an issue that held the black community back. I'd say that has mostly passed.

Chris
03-02-2018, 11:27 AM
But we aren't talking about it now.

If anything, the OP article is a rejection of identity politics.

Boris The Animal
03-02-2018, 11:28 AM
The drug war is where I have locked horns with Libertarians on because of the effects of illicit drug use. No narcotics are good for the human body, none whatsoever. Whatever happened to the idea of "clean and sober"? Or is that so passe that we need a nation full of stoners, junkies, and methheads?

Chris
03-02-2018, 11:30 AM
Identity politics goes back to time immemorial, but the Democrat party does it on steroids. On the issue of racism, I stated before that being a Conservative, I'm sick and tired of the broadbrushing characterization that "all Conservatives are racist" claptrap. Because as far as I am concerned, racists come from everywhere, be it Louis Farrakhan or David Duke. Doesn't matter to me because all racists are idiots.


I would disagree. Sure, blacks and others have long fought for their rights, rights they should exercise equally before the law. Identity politics is newer, perhaps going back only to the 90s, and is different in that they don't fight for something but against other supposedly oppressing groups, as described in the OP.

Safety
03-02-2018, 01:38 PM
Oh boy, this should end well.

In any case, most of the modern-day black issues can be attributed to the state. The issue with white civilians is a misplaced one. The state is responsible for the cop violence issue, the state is responsible for the drug war, the state is responsible for disarming law abiding black folk and leaving them at the mercy of gang members and crooked cops, etc. Once they get that instead of thinking that one half of the state, the dems, have their best interests in mind, a lot of the issues will solve themselves.

As far as historically in this country goes, once upon a time white racism was absolutely an issue that held the black community back. I'd say that has mostly passed.

Who is making it an issue with white civilians, other than white nationalists that attempt to sow their agenda here? Surely we aren't' speaking about the handful of idiots that you see making that claim that blames whites, because if we are going to make that argument, then won't it get the same dismissal as the KKK and other hate groups receive by being "just a handful"?

Boris The Animal
03-02-2018, 04:29 PM
I would disagree. Sure, blacks and others have long fought for their rights, rights they should exercise equally before the law. Identity politics is newer, perhaps going back only to the 90s, and is different in that they don't fight for something but against other supposedly oppressing groups, as described in the OP.
That's true, but I'm referring to the traditional interest groups the Democrat Party panders to.

donttread
03-02-2018, 05:31 PM
The drug war is where I have locked horns with Libertarians on because of the effects of illicit drug use. No narcotics are good for the human body, none whatsoever. Whatever happened to the idea of "clean and sober"? Or is that so passe that we need a nation full of stoners, junkies, and methheads?

The main LP point is that the feds have no Constitutional authority to dictate drug policy within the states.

Chris
03-02-2018, 06:21 PM
That's true, but I'm referring to the traditional interest groups the Democrat Party panders to.

Ok, just remember Dems fought against civil rights but Reps passed it.

Cletus
03-02-2018, 06:50 PM
I'm sure that those that belong to "identity groups" feel the same way about them being broad brushed within their perspective categories. It seems that the only reason there are "identity groups" is because of the conservative ideology. Liberals seem to want people to be able to live their lives as normal.

Liberals need to pigeonhole everyone. Everyone has to be in a class with separate rights and protections. Homosexuals, racial minorities, religious minorities, the mentally ill... and on and on and on. There can be no individuals in any of these special classes. Groupthink is mandatory. Anyone who steps outside the bubble is immediately attacked and ostracized.

"Liberals seem to want people to live their lives as normal" Those were your words. What you didn't say is that Liberals want to be the ones to decide what is normal. Liberals love minorities... but only as long as they are useful to them. That is why it is necessary to keep them dependent on the government. That is why it is necessary to try to convince them they are victims and need to shelter under the umbrella of the DNC.

While there are undoubtedly some individual Liberals who are good, sincere people, collectively they are evil.

Tahuyaman
03-03-2018, 08:39 PM
Hmmmm, weren't we just talking about identity politics and how only liberals engaged in it?


How is this an example of someone engaging in the concept of identity politics?

Wehrwolfen
03-06-2018, 07:55 PM
This is the reason the WN agenda is as bad as people say it is. How can someone "assimilate" when they are not allowed to? Rhetorical question considering the source I was responding to.

On the contrary, the government supports more Black people than ever before and we've given them Affirmative Action, while Democrats make sure that the schools are run by Liberals that don't teach their students, rather they inculcate victimhood, and encourage Socialist ideology but they never teach the students math, English or history.

Wehrwolfen
03-06-2018, 07:58 PM
Liberals need to pigeonhole everyone. Everyone has to be in a class with separate rights and protections. Homosexuals, racial minorities, religious minorities, the mentally ill... and on and on and on. There can be no individuals in any of these special classes. Groupthink is mandatory. Anyone who steps outside the bubble is immediately attacked and ostracized.
"Liberals seem to want people to live their lives as normal" Those were your words. What you didn't say is that Liberals want to be the ones to decide what is normal. Liberals love minorities... but only as long as they are useful to them. That is why it is necessary to keep them dependent on the government. That is why it is necessary to try to convince them they are victims and need to shelter under the umbrella of the DNC.
While there are undoubtedly some individual Liberals who are good, sincere people, collectively they are evil.

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I agree, Yet they claim they seek a classless society.

Safety
03-06-2018, 08:07 PM
On the contrary, the government supports more Black people than ever before and we've given them Affirmative Action, while Democrats make sure that the schools are run by Liberals that don't teach their students, rather they inculcate victimhood, and encourage Socialist ideology but they never teach the students math, English or history.

Yea? You mean the same affirmative action that has benefited white women more than blacks?

The willingness to erase that little nugget from the agenda speaks the loudest.

Chris
03-06-2018, 08:10 PM
Yea? You mean the same affirmative action that has benefited white women more than blacks?

The willingness to erase that little nugget from the agenda speaks the loudest.

That it benefits whites doesn't counter the claim it benefits more blacks than ever.

Safety
03-06-2018, 08:24 PM
That it benefits whites doesn't counter the claim it benefits more blacks than ever.

It does, given how the discussion was about blacks being allowed to assimilate, and the counter argument was about programs that tried to portray it being only for blacks to benefit. If you had read it completely before your usual entrance into a discussion half-cocked siding in your usual position, you would see the statement was...”the government supports more Black people than ever before and we've given them Affirmative Action“ given how the English language has rules and stuff regarding sentence structure dealing with commas, that sentence involves two distinct points. So, you see that the claim you made “That it benefits whites doesn't counter the claim it benefits more blacks than ever.” is not only egregious but as usual, erroneous to one side only.

The Xl
03-06-2018, 08:27 PM
Who is making it an issue with white civilians, other than white nationalists that attempt to sow their agenda here? Surely we aren't' speaking about the handful of idiots that you see making that claim that blames whites, because if we are going to make that argument, then won't it get the same dismissal as the KKK and other hate groups receive by being "just a handful"?

There is a strong sentiment within some black people and white sympathizers that current white people play a part in their current day issues. That sentiment isn't shared by all naturally, and probably not even most, but their is a strong minority that feels that way. That's nationally. On this site......we have shit stirrers on both sides. This particular time it's the other side.

The Xl
03-06-2018, 08:29 PM
Yea? You mean the same affirmative action that has benefited white women more than blacks?

The willingness to erase that little nugget from the agenda speaks the loudest.

Per capatia I doubt that's true. And if it, then it's bullshit and shouldn't be happening. And It's also bullshit that Whites get spotted points when going up against Asians as well.

Chris
03-06-2018, 08:39 PM
It does, given how the discussion was about blacks being allowed to assimilate, and the counter argument was about programs that tried to portray it being only for blacks to benefit. If you had read it completely before your usual entrance into a discussion half-cocked siding in your usual position, you would see the statement was...”the government supports more Black people than ever before and we've given them Affirmative Action“ given how the English language has rules and stuff regarding sentence structure dealing with commas, that sentence involves two distinct points. So, you see that the claim you made “That it benefits whites doesn't counter the claim it benefits more blacks than ever.” is not only egregious but as usual, erroneous to one side only.


It does, in your imaginary one-sided discussions, but doesn't here in this thread, and especially not in the context of the post you replied to.

Safety
03-06-2018, 09:04 PM
It does, in your imaginary one-sided discussions, but doesn't here in this thread, and especially not in the context of the post you replied to.

That doesn’t even make sense, but then again, that is usual for you.

Safety
03-06-2018, 09:52 PM
Per capatia I doubt that's true. And if it, then it's bullshit and shouldn't be happening. And It's also bullshit that Whites get spotted points when going up against Asians as well.

I stopped caring about per capita arguments, when it started to be appearant that it was not applied equally in different scenarios.

Chris
03-07-2018, 02:05 AM
That doesn’t even make sense, but then again, that is usual for you.

I understand you would prefer it not to make sense. In context it does.

But let's look at it again because it demonstrates what many here have been saying about your posts, namely that you make everything about race.

Clearly, Wehrwolfen made a claim about "the government supports more Black people than ever before." He makes a temporal comparison.

And just as clearly, you twist that temporal comparison into something else: "You mean the same affirmative action that has benefited white women more than blacks." You make a racial comparison.

As I pointed out, your twisted racial comparison does not counter his temporal comparison.

And your response was something about discussions going on in your head about race. "we've given them Affirmative Action" refers to we as in the government or we the pwople paying taxes. It is not about race. But you have race on the mind.

Safety
03-07-2018, 08:17 AM
I understand you would prefer it not to make sense. In context it does.

But let's look at it again because it demonstrates what many here have been saying about your posts, namely that you make everything about race.

Clearly, Wehrwolfen made a claim about "the government supports more Black people than ever before." He makes a temporal comparison.

And just as clearly, you twist that temporal comparison into something else: "You mean the same affirmative action that has benefited white women more than blacks." You make a racial comparison.

As I pointed out, your twisted racial comparison does not counter his temporal comparison.

And your response was something about discussions going on in your head about race. "we've given them Affirmative Action" refers to we as in the government or we the pwople paying taxes. It is not about race. But you have race on the mind.

No, it doesn't, and like many have said numerous times, you will twist words until the ether is gone, and argue for pages and pages, in hopes that the other party will give up. As you know, that will not work with me, and I will call out your bullshit premises every time. As for your "always about race" bullshit, well obviously I would never expect someone like you to notice the race comments that are made towards minorities here, for that would be like asking a klan member what movie was playing on BET. And before you tickle your social autism into a public meltdown about tu quoque or some other Latin phrase you have sticky noted around your computer, remember it was you that made the accusation, and one that is not blinded by bias would notice the posts I was responding to are just as focused on race. Therefore your response would fall into the same category as you accusing Jews of creating hate for nazis.

So, just to clarify once again, the post I was responding to made two points, I addressed the second point because it is a continual error made by WNs or those that sympathizes with their agenda.

Chris
03-07-2018, 09:42 AM
No, it doesn't, and like many have said numerous times, you will twist words until the ether is gone, and argue for pages and pages, in hopes that the other party will give up. As you know, that will not work with me, and I will call out your bullshit premises every time. As for your "always about race" bullshit, well obviously I would never expect someone like you to notice the race comments that are made towards minorities here, for that would be like asking a klan member what movie was playing on BET. And before you tickle your social autism into a public meltdown about tu quoque or some other Latin phrase you have sticky noted around your computer, remember it was you that made the accusation, and one that is not blinded by bias would notice the posts I was responding to are just as focused on race. Therefore your response would fall into the same category as you accusing Jews of creating hate for nazis.

So, just to clarify once again, the post I was responding to made two points, I addressed the second point because it is a continual error made by WNs or those that sympathizes with their agenda.



Short and simple, you twisted a temporal comparison into a racist one.

Safety
03-07-2018, 09:48 AM
Short and simple, you twisted a temporal comparison into a racist one.

Nope, you can continue to scour the internet to find catch phrases, but that has no bearing in this case. Now please stop trying to deflect from the conversation, you fucked up, learn from it, and move on.

Chris
03-07-2018, 09:52 AM
Nope, you can continue to scour the internet to find catch phrases, but that has no bearing in this case. Now please stop trying to deflect from the conversation, you fucked up, learn from it, and move on.

Short and simple, you twisted a temporal comparison into a racist one.

Safety
03-07-2018, 09:54 AM
Short and simple, you twisted a temporal comparison into a racist one.

Repeat it some more, then click your heels three times, maybe your wish would then come true.

Chris
03-07-2018, 09:57 AM
Repeat it some more, then click your heels three times, maybe your wish would then come true.

OK, short and simple, you twisted a temporal comparison into a racist one.

Safety
03-07-2018, 10:03 AM
OK, short and simple, you twisted a temporal comparison into a racist one.

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nathanbforrest45
03-07-2018, 10:05 AM
I'm sure that those that belong to "identity groups" feel the same way about them being broad brushed within their perspective categories. It seems that the only reason there are "identity groups" is because of the conservative ideology. Liberals seem to want people to be able to live their lives as normal.


Now, that's some funny stuff there.

This conservative doesn't want to see people in color but he is forced to by Liberal policies which paint every action a "racist". When putting up a display showing cotton bolls is considered racist, or using the term "brown bag" is considered racist or even talking about peanut butter and jelly sandwiches is considered racist I don't think the problem lies with conservatives in general.

Chris
03-07-2018, 10:14 AM
Now, that's some funny stuff there.

This conservative doesn't want to see people in color but he is forced to by Liberal policies which paint every action a "racist". When putting up a display showing cotton bolls is considered racist, or using the term "brown bag" is considered racist or even talking about peanut butter and jelly sandwiches is considered racist I don't think the problem lies with conservatives in general.

No, no, no, conservatives for liberals into identity politics. It's not their fault, they take no responsibility.

Safety
03-07-2018, 10:17 AM
Now, that's some funny stuff there.

This conservative doesn't want to see people in color but he is forced to by Liberal policies which paint every action a "racist". When putting up a display showing cotton bolls is considered racist, or using the term "brown bag" is considered racist or even talking about peanut butter and jelly sandwiches is considered racist I don't think the problem lies with conservatives in general.

That sounds....believable...if I didn't read posts from a member with your same screen name denigrate a little league baseball team in chicago, or make snide remarks about how blacks were fully employed as slaves, and such.

Chris
03-07-2018, 10:29 AM
That sounds....believable...if I didn't read posts from a member with your same screen name denigrate a little league baseball team in chicago, or make snide remarks about how blacks were fully employed as slaves, and such.

And again safety twists what's said into racism.

zelmo1234
03-07-2018, 10:31 AM
That sounds....believable...if I didn't read posts from a member with your same screen name denigrate a little league baseball team in chicago, or make snide remarks about how blacks were fully employed as slaves, and such.

I don't like the fact that some have call you out as being Racist, I suspect that you are not.

But you are a Racialist and you do play the hell out of the race care and don't give others the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this.

So I think that you bring some of this on yourself.

Chris
03-07-2018, 10:33 AM
I don't like the fact that some have call you out as being Racist, I suspect that you are not.

But you are a Racialist and you do play the hell out of the race care and don't give others the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this.

So I think that you bring some of this on yourself.

Like Cigar did.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 10:36 AM
Like Cigar did.
He did not just go there! :shocked:

Safety
03-07-2018, 10:37 AM
And again safety twists what's said into racism.

And again Chris attempts to defend the indefensible. Note in which direction...

Chris
03-07-2018, 10:39 AM
He did not just go there! :shocked:

LOL.

Remember, I actually like Cigar, and defended him for a long time, but he did have a penchant to play the race card.

Chris
03-07-2018, 10:40 AM
And again Chris attempts to defend the indefensible. Note in which direction...

It has been demonstrated a dozen times that you misinterpreted his sarcastic criticism of people who talked that way.

Safety
03-07-2018, 10:45 AM
I don't like the fact that some have call you out as being Racist, I suspect that you are not.

But you are a Racialist and you do play the hell out of the race care and don't give others the benefit of the doubt when it comes to this.

So I think that you bring some of this on yourself.

I appreciate the candor, but I respond to what is written. That member in particular used the term "nig-nogs" in reference to little league, fucking little league baseball players from Chicago. If you think a person can use such a derogatory term, and continually make comments denigrating blacks, then later pretend they "don't" see color, then that is on you. Here's the thing, Zelmo, I don't care what I brink upon myself, cause as you have noticed, I am very capable of handling any individual posting on this forum. Even the ones like you said, "have called me out as being racist", which before was moderated, but I see the precedence has been set to use the term freely, have no proof of their claim. They get frustrated when I provide their words as proof to any accusation I may levy. Then you have the social autistic component that shows up in one member that likes to throw out latin phrases like it makes him sound intelligent, while spending his time defending the WN agenda that posts here, then squawks foul when it is pointed out.

So all in all, it's all good, brother.

nathanbforrest45
03-07-2018, 10:45 AM
Safety knows but continues to promote what I said several years ago about a little league team was completely taken out of context and in order to be fully understood the entire thread should be posted. I won't defend my comments because I have done so repeatedly. I will only say that Safety is a fraud and a liar about the meaning of my post. If this gets me banned so be it but its the truth.

Safety
03-07-2018, 10:47 AM
It has been demonstrated a dozen times that you misinterpreted his sarcastic criticism of people who talked that way.

*yawn* oh yes, whenever it is shown with their own words the racist intent, it just coincidentally has to be sarcasm or jokes. GRC used sarcasm and jokes also, just like the "watering my negro" meme...but then went ahead and expressed his true feelings when he called me the n-word.

Peas in a pod, I guess.

The Xl
03-07-2018, 10:51 AM
I stopped caring about per capita arguments, when it started to be appearant that it was not applied equally in different scenarios.

Like?

Mister D
03-07-2018, 10:55 AM
Like?
This ought to be good.

Chris
03-07-2018, 10:56 AM
*yawn* oh yes, whenever it is shown with their own words the racist intent, it just coincidentally has to be sarcasm or jokes. GRC used sarcasm and jokes also, just like the "watering my negro" meme...but then went ahead and expressed his true feelings when he called me the n-word.

Peas in a pod, I guess.


Nathan is not GRC.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 10:56 AM
LOL.

Remember, I actually like Cigar, and defended him for a long time, but he did have a penchant to play the race card.
Yes, I always found that irritating. Being black has its perks.

Safety
03-07-2018, 10:57 AM
Safety knows but continues to promote what I said several years ago about a little league team was completely taken out of context and in order to be fully understood the entire thread should be posted. I won't defend my comments because I have done so repeatedly. I will only say that Safety is a fraud and a liar about the meaning of my post. If this gets me banned so be it but its the truth.

Bullshit....


You are right. The only reason this was exposed is because we can't stand seeing little nignogs win at anything. The fact they were cheating never enters the picture. Its all about the inherent racism that exist everywhere. Those coaches should be blacklisted from the game (opps, that was really a racist statement)

Jesus, I am starting to hate everyone who ever utters the word racism but especially those who use it to condone bad behavior.


If it weren't for slavery they would still be living in mud huts and waiting for some war lord to chop them into pieces.


My daughter worked as a wait person for both Red Lobster and Carraba's. There are far too many people who think that 5% or no percent is perfectly acceptable as a tip. Furthermore those "all you can eat" crab and shrimp promotions are hell on the wait staff. Fat asses come in, sit for hours and tip 10 percent or less.


Also, and I know Cigar or Common Sense won't want to hear this, but the consensus is that certain racial groups do not tip on a regular basis.


Another leftist lie. It was not designed by William Thompson but by William Porch Miles. Forking Knee Grows. Don't have a real history of their own so they steal one and then try to rewrite real history.

Dumb asse

Here are just several from a simple search. Feel free to click on the little arrow in the quote to follow the discussion if you should choose to. Now please, I dare anyone to say to me how someone that posts stuff like this, can turn around to say they don't see color. Let's hear how I'm twisting something now, Chris.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 10:58 AM
Bull$#@!....









Here are just several from a simple search. Feel free to click on the little arrow in the quote to follow the discussion if you should choose to. Now please, I dare anyone to say to me how someone that posts stuff like this, can turn around to say they don't see color. Let's hear how I'm twisting something now, Chris.


Thank you for quoting the relevant comment. That is obviously sarcasm. You would have to want to miss it.

Safety
03-07-2018, 10:58 AM
Like?

When discussing the rate blacks are shot by the police vs whites. The right wants to argue that more whites are shot totally and want to discard using "per capita".

Mister D
03-07-2018, 10:59 AM
When discussing the rate blacks are shot by the police vs whites. The right wants to argue that more whites are shot totally and want to discard using "per capita".
Who? You would expect blacks to be shot at a higher rate by the police.

Safety
03-07-2018, 10:59 AM
Nathan is not GRC.

It's good to start with basic remediary sentences, Chris. Yes, we know nathan is not GRC. Good job, now let's move on to lesson two.

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:01 AM
Who? You would expect blacks to be shot at a higher rate by the police.

That's nice, was it good like you wanted it to be?

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:02 AM
That's nice, was it good like you wanted it to be?
I have no idea what that was supposed to mean. Do you?

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:02 AM
We're gonna have another Safety meltdown...

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:03 AM
Yea, I'll let the usual suspects mull over the taste of their foot in their mouth over this one...

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:03 AM
Anyway, I saw the context of the "nig nog" comment. It doesn't need an explanation. It's obviously sarcasm. You could only miss it if you wanted to.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:03 AM
Yea, I'll let the usual suspects mull over the taste of their foot in their mouth over this one...
Are you feeling OK?

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:03 AM
I have no idea what that was supposed to mean. Do you?

Refresher for your extremely quick memory loss....


This ought to be good.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:04 AM
Refresher for your extremely quick memory loss....
Oh wow. Clever. :rollseyes:

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:05 AM
Are you feeling OK?


Anyway, I saw the context of the "nig nog" comment. It doesn't need an explanation. It's obviously sarcasm. You could only miss it if you wanted to.


We're gonna have another Safety meltdown...

Sorry, if you think you are going to come here and derp your way into anything other than obvious deflection, you are misguided.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:07 AM
Sorry, if you think you are going to come here and derp your way into anything other than obvious deflection, you are misguided.
Deflection? What?

Again, the "nig nog" comment was obvious sarcasm. Why do you keep bringing it up? At this point you're just lying about it. Not a good look.

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:07 AM
Oh wow. Clever. :rollseyes:

Did they hire you to be their towel boy? Why are you here then? Obviously you only show up to make little quips about nothing, so why the sudden interest? Is it because irrefutable evidence was posted and you feel the need to passive-aggressively herp derp your comments into the thread?

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:10 AM
Deflection? What?

Again, the "nig nog" comment was obvious sarcasm. Why do you keep bringing it up? At this point you're just lying about it. Not a good look.

:rofl: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/95109-Half-a-Century-of-Blaming-White-Racism-for-Black-America-s-Problems?p=2303931&viewfull=1#post2303931

Sure.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:10 AM
:rofl: http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/95109-Half-a-Century-of-Blaming-White-Racism-for-Black-America-s-Problems?p=2303931&viewfull=1#post2303931

Sure.
:huh:

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:10 AM
Did they hire you to be their towel boy? Why are you here then? Obviously you only show up to make little quips about nothing, so why the sudden interest? Is it because irrefutable evidence was posted and you feel the need to passive-aggressively herp derp your comments into the thread?
Meltdown a comin'...

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:11 AM
Safety, why do you keep lying about the nig nog comment?

The Xl
03-07-2018, 11:11 AM
When discussing the rate blacks are shot by the police vs whites. The right wants to argue that more whites are shot totally and want to discard using "per capita".

Fair enough. But the counter to that is, per capita, blacks commit more violent crime, ergo, their rate of being shot by police is going to likely be higher. That's a fair point though, the right plays that game sometimes too.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:12 AM
Fair enough. But the counter to that is, per capita, blacks commit more violent crime, ergo, their rate of being shot by police is going to likely be higher. That's a fair point though, the right plays that game sometimes too.
Right

The Xl
03-07-2018, 11:15 AM
Right

Right, but that doesn't excuse legit grievances where cops abuse their authority and are trigger happy, which happens far too often. But when it comes to legit kills, the group that has higher per capita crime rates will unfortunately have higher cop kill numbers.

Chris
03-07-2018, 11:17 AM
It's good to start with basic remediary sentences, Chris. Yes, we know nathan is not GRC. Good job, now let's move on to lesson two.

Then why when talking about Nathan dod you associate him with GRC?

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:18 AM
Right, but that doesn't excuse legit grievances where cops abuse their authority and are trigger happy, which happens far too often. But when it comes to legit kills, the group that has higher per capita crime rates will unfortunately have higher cop kill numbers.
I don't disagree but that's not really the topic. Safety is claiming members are not being consistent.

Chris
03-07-2018, 11:18 AM
We're gonna have another Safety meltdown...

Going to?

He's entitled to his opinion, no matter how distorted, just not entitled to impose it on others.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:19 AM
Going to?

He's entitled to his opinion, no matter how distorted, just not entitled to impose it on others.

At this point he simply lying about the nig nog comment. Not cool.

Chris
03-07-2018, 11:20 AM
Deflection? What?

Again, the "nig nog" comment was obvious sarcasm. Why do you keep bringing it up? At this point you're just lying about it. Not a good look.



Because race card.

Cigar's spiel.

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:22 AM
Meltdown a comin'...

Do you always pre-warn your actions? This is the most you've posted all day. I wonder what the draw is to this discussion for you....

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:25 AM
Because race card.

Cigar's spiel.
I may have to start calling him cigarette again

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:25 AM
Fair enough. But the counter to that is, per capita, blacks commit more violent crime, ergo, their rate of being shot by police is going to likely be higher. That's a fair point though, the right plays that game sometimes too.

So the argument should be, "per capita blacks commit more violent crime", but when discussing the rate of blacks being shot vs whites, forgo the "per capita" argument and focus on the total number shot. Sorry, I'm not one for switching the rate vs total based upon the argument I am trying to make. If people want to argue the rate blacks commit crime, then they argue the rate whites are shot vs blacks.

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:26 AM
Then why when talking about Nathan dod you associate him with GRC?

Probably the same way you and mister d are associating me with cigar. Wait, am I not allowed to do the same as you two do?

:rofl:

The Xl
03-07-2018, 11:27 AM
So the argument should be, "per capita blacks commit more violent crime", but when discussing the rate of blacks being shot vs whites, forgo the "per capita" argument and focus on the total number shot. Sorry, I'm not one for switching the rate vs total based upon the argument I am trying to make. If people want to argue the rate blacks commit crime, then they argue the rate whites are shot vs blacks.

I already said that the right plays the game too. They do use the per capita talking point. I was merely offering an explanation as to why the rates may be higher.

Chris
03-07-2018, 11:27 AM
I may have to start calling him cigarette again

We should all quit before we get in trouble for picking on him. The point's been made. No point following him down the rabbit hole.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:29 AM
I already said that the right plays the game too. They do use the per capita talking point. I was merely offering an explanation as to why the rates may be higher.
Who uses a per capita talking point? Roughly half the murders every year in the US are perpetrated by black men.

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:29 AM
Safety, why do you keep lying about the nig nog comment?


I don't disagree but that's not really the topic. Safety is claiming members are not being consistent.


At this point he simply lying about the nig nog comment. Not cool.


I may have to start calling him cigarette again

At this point, it is safe to say you feel threatened by something in this discussion. I'll let the board figure it out as to what it could possibly be....

I'll note that you called cigar "Toby" for years until those in power realized what exactly you were doing....some leopard's spots don't change.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:30 AM
We should all quit before we get in trouble for picking on him. The point's been made. No point following him down the rabbit hole.
True enough.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:31 AM
At this point, it is safe to say you feel threatened by something in this discussion. I'll let the board figure it out as to what it could possibly be....

I'll note that you called cigar "Toby" for years until those in power realized what exactly you were doing....some leopard's spots don't change.

Sure did. What that has to do with you lying about nathan remains unknown.

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:34 AM
I already said that the right plays the game too. They do use the per capita talking point. I was merely offering an explanation as to why the rates may be higher.

I already know why the rates are higher, that isn't my point. My point is using the "per capita" as a talking point, but when the topic became how many blacks were shot by the police vs whites, those same people that use the "per capita" argument suddenly wanted to use the "total" number instead of "per capita". That is only because then they can say "see, more whites are shot by the police, your argument is debunked". Wash, rinse, repeat that talking point across the litany of policies established and you will see the same phenomenon. AA, welfare, SNAP....

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:36 AM
I already know why the rates are higher, that isn't my point. My point is using the "per capita" as a talking point, but when the topic became how many blacks were shot by the police vs whites, those same people that use the "per capita" argument suddenly wanted to use the "total" number instead of "per capita". That is only because then they can say "see, more whites are shot by the police, your argument is debunked". Wash, rinse, repeat that talking point across the litany of policies established and you will see the same phenomenon. AA, welfare, SNAP....
You'd expect more blacks to be shot by the police. More than are actually shot.

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:36 AM
We should all quit before we get in trouble for picking on him. The point's been made. No point following him down the rabbit hole.

That decision should have been made waaay before now when you errored in your first reply to me....http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/95109-Half-a-Century-of-Blaming-White-Racism-for-Black-America-s-Problems?p=2303548&viewfull=1#post2303548

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:37 AM
Sure did. What that has to do with you lying about nathan remains unknown.

At this point, you have no credibility. I posted the quotes, there is no lie. Have some dignity.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:37 AM
At this point, you have no credibility. I posted the quotes, there is no lie. Have some dignity.
Why do you keep lying, Safety? It's not a good look.

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:38 AM
You'd expect more blacks to be shot by the police. More than are actually shot.

You'd expect, is the way your post should be framed.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:38 AM
Safety owes nathan an apology to be frank.

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:39 AM
Why do you keep lying, Safety? It's not a good look.

I'm not affected by the look, try a mirror.

Safety
03-07-2018, 11:41 AM
Safety owes nathan an apology to be frank.

Your dyslexia fucked up your quote again.....
Mister D owes Safety an apology for accusing him of lying when he provided primary sources to make his argument

Fixed it for you. Next time there will be a charge.

Mister D
03-07-2018, 11:45 AM
Your dyslexia $#@!ed up your quote again.....

Fixed it for you. Next time there will be a charge.
The "source" proves that you lied. Why are you so dishonest?

Safety
03-07-2018, 12:04 PM
The "source" proves that you lied. Why are you so dishonest?LoL, the source that wrote the posts, lied?

:rofl: