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Crepitus
03-16-2018, 08:25 AM
Arm homeless with shotguns to reduce crime, US Senate hopeful says (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/16/arm-homeless-with-shotguns-to-reduce-crime-us-senate-hopeful-says.html)


A U.S. Senate candidate in Michigan has proposed a plan to arm homeless people with shotguns in a bid to reduce crime.Brian Ellison, a Libertarian candidate who is expected to be the party’s candidate in the upcoming midterm elections, said homeless people are often at risk of becoming victims of violent crime and one way to prevent that is by providing them with firearms.He would be challenging Democratic incumbent Debbie Stabenow for the U.S. Senate seat in November, if he wins the Libertarian Party’s candidate.Ellison told the Guardian that although he thinks pistols for homeless people would be ideal, due to stringent gun laws, shotguns are the only alternative for them.

Maybe we should work towards making them "homed" instead of "armed" huh?

Chris
03-16-2018, 08:33 AM
It's my understanding many don't want to be "homed".

God forbid we allow them to defend themselves.

Crepitus
03-16-2018, 08:35 AM
It's my understanding many don't want to be "homed".

God forbid we allow them to defend themselves.

I have the strangest feeling that if I labeled an actual lump of feces "libertarian" you would defend it.

Chris
03-16-2018, 08:37 AM
I have the strangest feeling that if I labeled an actual lump of feces "libertarian" you would defend it.

IOW, you start a topic just to troll those who respond.

Crepitus
03-16-2018, 08:43 AM
IOW, you start a topic just to troll those who respond.

No, I'm just not surprised you defended the ridiculous idea because it says "libertarian".

MisterVeritis
03-16-2018, 08:44 AM
Arm homeless with shotguns to reduce crime, US Senate hopeful says (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/16/arm-homeless-with-shotguns-to-reduce-crime-us-senate-hopeful-says.html)



Maybe we should work towards making them "homed" instead of "armed" huh?
We used to lock up crazy people. Maybe we should just send them to California.

Crepitus
03-16-2018, 08:46 AM
We used to lock up crazy people. Maybe we should just send them to California.

He's a libertarian. Aren't they trying to take over a state somewhere?

MisterVeritis
03-16-2018, 08:47 AM
He's a libertarian. Aren't they trying to take over a state somewhere?
Beats me.

Chris
03-16-2018, 09:01 AM
No, I'm just not surprised you defended the ridiculous idea because it says "libertarian".


You have yet to establish it's a ridiculous idea. There's your personal incredulity, but that's nothing if not fallacious.


Also, I don't defend Libertarians as I think they're antithetical to libertarianism. I'm a libertarian, not a Libertarian. What, you don't know the difference?


What's interesting is you continue to troll. One way to detect a troll is to try and engage him in discussion. If he engages, he's sincere, if not, he's a troll.

Bo-4
03-16-2018, 09:01 AM
I think this is a TERRIFIC idea -

And after a long day of panhandling, they can protect their fifth of Thunderbird.

But not real sure though how they secure it after passing out on a heating grate.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91XfF8DiajL._SY445_.jpg

Chris
03-16-2018, 09:03 AM
He's a libertarian. Aren't they trying to take over a state somewhere?

https://i.snag.gy/cs1EUh.jpg

Chris
03-16-2018, 09:04 AM
I think this is a TERRIFIC idea -

And after a long day of panhandling, they can protect their fifth of Thunderbird.

But not real sure though how they secure it after passing out on a heating grate.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91XfF8DiajL._SY445_.jpg



Not all homeless are drunks, bo.

nathanbforrest45
03-16-2018, 09:13 AM
I'm sorry but I firmly believe if you gave the homeless shotguns they would sell them immediately to buy more drugs or alcohol. This would be a case of firearms ending up in the hands of criminals. This is a group of people who cannot function in society. Arming them does not make much sense to be honest.

nathanbforrest45
03-16-2018, 09:17 AM
Not all homeless are drunks, bo.Most are either drunks or drug addicts. I know there are some who are not but I believe by and large they are dysfunctional because of drug or alcohol abuse (or bi polar and won't take their medication)

nathanbforrest45
03-16-2018, 09:19 AM
I think I would take exception to labeling the would be Senator "insane". Misguided maybe but no more insane then most, if not all, liberals

Chris
03-16-2018, 09:30 AM
Most are either drunks or drug addicts. I know there are some who are not but I believe by and large they are dysfunctional because of drug or alcohol abuse (or bi polar and won't take their medication)

So a mother of three living out of her car working odd jobs is a drunk or addict? I would wager most are not.

Bo-4
03-16-2018, 09:37 AM
So a mother of three living out of her car working odd jobs is a drunk or addict? I would wager most are not.

Great idea - a shotgun in a car with three little kids .. right Chris?

nathanbforrest45
03-16-2018, 09:40 AM
So a mother of three living out of her car working odd jobs is a drunk or addict? I would wager most are not.

The homeless mother of three is the exception and there are many programs to get her and her children off the street.

Chris
03-16-2018, 09:43 AM
I accept there are cases, where the homeless are addicts, or mentally unstable, that it wouldn't be wise to give shotguns to. But by no means all cases.

Chris
03-16-2018, 09:53 AM
https://i.snag.gy/ymxFG6.jpg

Source: https://sunrisehouse.com/addiction-demographics/homeless-population/

nathanbforrest45
03-16-2018, 10:00 AM
I don't believe those statistics. That would mean 39% or the largest single group are neither nuts or drunks. I ain't buying that.

I do know there are those who are homeless for reasons other than those two. I met a man in San Diego who had been forced into homelessness because the IRS took everything he had and he was retired and no way to pay off his debts. But he was one out of a hundred. I am sure there are those who are in similar circumstances but not 39% of all homeless are homeless through no fault of their own.

Be that as it may, I don't believe arming the homeless is a wise choice. First of all, who is going to pay for all these shotguns? If they are homeless, where are they going to keep the guns? Will they need to carry them around with them everywhere they go?

No, I think arming the homeless with taxpayer funded weapons is a foolish idea.

Chris
03-16-2018, 10:06 AM
Another view:

https://i.snag.gy/2lALjm.jpg

source: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland-homeless/



Could be based on charity.

Crepitus
03-16-2018, 10:10 AM
I'm sorry but I firmly believe if you gave the homeless shotguns they would sell them immediately to buy more drugs or alcohol. This would be a case of firearms ending up in the hands of criminals. This is a group of people who cannot function in society. Arming them does not make much sense to be honest.

Bingo.

Crepitus
03-16-2018, 10:12 AM
So a mother of three living out of her car working odd jobs is a drunk or addict? I would wager most are not.

Those aren't the ones that are homeless by choice.

Chris
03-16-2018, 10:15 AM
Those aren't the ones that are homeless by choice.

WHat's choice got to do with anything.

Crepitus
03-16-2018, 10:19 AM
https://i.snag.gy/cs1EUh.jpg

Seriously, aren't they trying to get all the libertarians to move to one state?

Mini Me
03-16-2018, 10:22 AM
The homeless mother of three is the exception and there are many programs to get her and her children off the street.
The Shelters have been over-flowing for years now. Especially for battered women!:sad:

And Battered chickens end up at Colonel Sanders.:laugh:

Mini Me
03-16-2018, 10:24 AM
https://i.snag.gy/ymxFG6.jpg

Source: https://sunrisehouse.com/addiction-demographics/homeless-population/
But what about the remaining 39%?

Standing Wolf
03-16-2018, 10:25 AM
I think this is a TERRIFIC idea -

And after a long day of panhandling, they can protect their fifth of Thunderbird.

But not real sure though how they secure it after passing out on a heating grate.

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91XfF8DiajL._SY445_.jpg

You beat me to it, Bo. A Rutger Hauer classic!

Chris
03-16-2018, 10:27 AM
But what about the remaining 39%?

See post 22 for a more complete classification.

gamewell45
03-16-2018, 10:29 AM
Arm homeless with shotguns to reduce crime, US Senate hopeful says (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/16/arm-homeless-with-shotguns-to-reduce-crime-us-senate-hopeful-says.html)



Maybe we should work towards making them "homed" instead of "armed" huh?

Well, at least that way they won't have to beg for money or handouts anymore. :)

Bo-4
03-16-2018, 10:29 AM
You beat me to it, Bo. A Rutger Hauer classic!

I've not seen it - Appears to be a worthy B movie!

D'ohhh - I just looked at the trailer.. perhaps a tad too much for my stomach.

Standing Wolf
03-16-2018, 10:34 AM
I've not seen it - Appears to be a worthy B movie!

D'ohhh - I just looked at the trailer.. perhaps a tad too much for my stomach.

Oh, it's godawful! Worth a watch though, just to put a lot of other "bad" films in the proper perspective.

The Xl
03-16-2018, 11:46 AM
The homeless don't have Constitutional rights?

Tahuyaman
03-16-2018, 12:18 PM
It's my understanding many don't want to be "homed".

God forbid we allow them to defend themselves.

This is t a good idea for several reasons. One being that many of the homeless are in that condition because they suffer from a severe mental illness. Besides, how can the homeless secure their firearms?

Standing Wolf
03-16-2018, 12:41 PM
I encountered a homeless man who was "armed" (in a way) the other day. I'd seen him earlier in the day near my work, and complimented the beautiful pit bull he had with him. I saw him on the corner near a grocery store and decided to give him a few dollars, and as I handed him the money his dog fixed me with a steady gaze and growled deep in his throat. The man said, "Achilles says thank you!" and I thought, "I'm pretty sure Achilles wasn't saying 'Thank you'". :rollseyes:

Chris
03-16-2018, 12:42 PM
This is t a good idea for several reasons. One being that many of the homeless are in that condition because they suffer from a severe mental illness. Besides, how can the homeless secure their firearms?

That's true, and I acknowledge caution when it comes to addicts and mentally ill people generally, depending on the addiction and illness. But that accounts for not even half. And as The Xl points out, they have rights.

At least this is discussion.

Tahuyaman
03-16-2018, 12:52 PM
That's true, and I acknowledge caution when it comes to addicts and mentally ill people generally, depending on the addiction and illness. But that accounts for not even half. And as The Xl points out, they have rights.

At least this is discussion.
Of course they have rights, but that doesn’t mean we need to do something stupid.

Common
03-16-2018, 01:48 PM
We used to lock up crazy people. Maybe we should just send them to California.

They migrate there on their own and the sane leave

MisterVeritis
03-16-2018, 01:53 PM
They migrate there on their own and the sane leave
I escaped California in 2005-2006. I hated what that state was becoming. It was already becoming Third World in appearance.

Safety
03-16-2018, 01:56 PM
No, I'm just not surprised you defended the ridiculous idea because it says "libertarian".

Pay no mind to the accusation of the word troll from them, the fact that he attempted to use it on you for this thread, but here http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/95589-Is-This-a-Racist-Statement was "going with the flow" says everything.

Safety
03-16-2018, 01:58 PM
Nobody says the homeless doesn't have constitutional rights, ffs, they are saying why spend the money to arm them instead of providing shelter.

Tahuyaman
03-16-2018, 02:06 PM
The homeless don't have Constitutional rights?. They do, but they don't have the right for us to provide them with firearms.

Safety
03-16-2018, 02:09 PM
Oh shit, someone finally got it.

Chris
03-16-2018, 02:57 PM
. They do, but they don't have the right for us to provide them with firearms.


That's why the candidate is a Libertarian and not a libertarian.

I would suggest some charitable giving.

Captdon
03-16-2018, 07:59 PM
I think I would take exception to labeling the would be Senator "insane". Misguided maybe but no more insane then most, if not all, liberals

No, insane is too light.

Captdon
03-16-2018, 08:02 PM
The homeless don't have Constitutional rights?

Where is there a right to have the government arm them?

This thread is insane.

Kalkin
03-16-2018, 08:07 PM
Insane libertarian wants to arm the homeless.
Insane libtard starts another stupid thread.

Ethereal
03-16-2018, 09:56 PM
Yea, it's a bad idea. But the establishment comes up with far worse ideas all the time: Invading Iraq, for instance. Compared to that, arming homeless people is a stroke of genius.

DGUtley
03-17-2018, 09:11 AM
Insane libtard starts another stupid thread.

Notice - Kalkin TB'd for name-calling and insult.