View Full Version : Paul vows to filibuster Pompeo, Haspel
Crepitus
03-18-2018, 03:37 PM
Senator Paul vows to filibuster Pompeo, Haspel nominations. (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/18/politics/rand-paul-mike-pompeo-gina-haspel-cnntv/index.html)
Republican Sen. Rand Paul said on CNN's "State of the Union" Sunday that he would take all necessary steps to oppose President Donald Trump's nominees for secretary of state and CIA director.
"I'll do whatever it takes, and that includes filibuster," Paul said......
The Kentucky senator said Sunday his opposition came from Pompeo's support for regime change abroad and Haspel's history with CIA torture.
I've said it before, but I'm thankful there are still a few adults in the republican party. I didn't expect Paul to be one of them though.
Ethereal
03-18-2018, 06:08 PM
I didn't expect Paul to be one of them though.
Paul's opposition to foreign interventionism, mass spying, torture, etc., is longstanding. Not sure why this should come as a surprise to anyone.
Grokmaster
03-18-2018, 06:09 PM
Because we should be more concerned with the comfort of terrorists, than the lives of Americans...
Ethereal
03-18-2018, 06:18 PM
Because we should be more concerned with the comfort of terrorists, than the lives of Americans...
Torture endangers the lives of Americans. It fuels hatred and resentment towards our country, which comes back to us in the form of terrorism. More importantly, it is fundamentally inconsistent with the values of liberal democracy. Government-sanctioned torture is what communist and fascist dictatorships do. That is not the kind of example America should be following.
Grokmaster
03-18-2018, 06:23 PM
Torture endangers the lives of Americans. It fuels hatred and resentment towards our country, which comes back to us in the form of terrorism. More importantly, it is fundamentally inconsistent with the values of liberal democracy. Government-sanctioned torture is what communist and fascist dictatorships do. That is not the kind of example America should be following.
Bullshit. Nothing is needed to "fuel hatred and resentment towards our country" from the islamoslime. It existed before we waterboarded anyone, because their barbaric religion deems us as unworthy of living.
If making one terrorist UNCOMFORTABLE , which is what waterboarding does , will save ONE AMERICAN LIFE, I say waterboard everyone we capture.
FUCK waterboarding; had me the pliers and the blowtorch. I could not care less about what a terrorist thinks or feels.
Please cite the permanent physical damage waterboarding causes - unlike REAL TORTURE.
I would have no trouble going far beyond waterboarding to save the lives of you, your wife, and your children.
Ethereal
03-18-2018, 06:58 PM
Bull$#@!. Nothing is needed to "fuel hatred and resentment towards our country" from the islamoslime. It existed before we waterboarded anyone, because their barbaric religion deems us as unworthy of living.
Terrorism towards America is fueled almost exclusively by US foreign policy, namely, the military occupation of Muslim lands. Trying to blame it on Islam as a religion is just a self-indulgent narrative meant to absolve the US of its responsibility.
If making one terrorist UNCOMFORTABLE , which is what waterboarding does , will save ONE AMERICAN LIFE, I say waterboard everyone we capture.
$#@! waterboarding; had me the pliers and the blowtorch. I could not care less about what a terrorist thinks or feels.
Please cite the permanent physical damage waterboarding causes - unlike REAL TORTURE.
I would have no trouble going far beyond waterboarding to save the lives of you, your wife, and your children.
Alleged terrorists, you mean.
And if we cannot protect our country without torturing people, then something is incredibly wrong with our security strategies and techniques.
If you doubt that waterboarding is torture, then subject yourself to it. I doubt you'd last more than one minute before you begged for mercy.
Grokmaster
03-18-2018, 07:00 PM
Terrorism towards America is fueled almost exclusively by US foreign policy, namely, the military occupation of Muslim lands. Trying to blame it on Islam as a religion is just a self-indulgent narrative meant to absolve the US of its responsibility.
Alleged terrorists, you mean.
And if we cannot protect our country without torturing people, then something is incredibly wrong with our security strategies and techniques.
If you doubt that waterboarding is torture, then subject yourself to it. I doubt you'd last more than one minute before you begged for mercy.
Islam is the reason the terrorists give. I'll take their word for it, thank you.
As I said, I would go a lot further than waterboarding terrorists to protect you and your family from them.
Why are you more concerned with the comfort of terrorists, than the lived of Americans?
Ethereal
03-18-2018, 07:00 PM
Pentagon: Mattis still opposes torture despite Trump comment (http://thehill.com/policy/defense/316356-mattis-remains-opposed-to-torture-pentagon-says)
"Secretary Mattis said in his confirmation process that he will abide by and is committed to upholding international law, the Law of Armed Conflict, Geneva Conventions and U.S. law, and that has not changed," Pentagon spokesman Navy Capt. Jeff Davis told reporters Thursday.
Paul is on the right side of history.
MisterVeritis
03-18-2018, 07:07 PM
Paul is on the right side of history.
He would be if we had a policy to torture. We don't.
I really like Rand Paul. I believe he is on the wrong side but will wait until there are Senate hearings. I would admire him more if he waited for the hearings.
Ethereal
03-18-2018, 07:14 PM
Islam is the reason the terrorists give. I'll take their word for it, thank you.
The reason they give is US imperialism.
(Al Jazeera) Full transcript of bin Ladin's speech (https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2004/11/200849163336457223.html)
...I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.
The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced.
I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.
The situation was like a crocodile meeting a helpless child, powerless except for his screams. Does the crocodile understand a conversation that doesn't include a weapon? And the whole world saw and heard but it didn't respond.
In those difficult moments many hard-to-describe ideas bubbled in my soul, but in the end they produced an intense feeling of rejection of tyranny, and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.
And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.
And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.
This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children - also in Iraq - as Bush Jr did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages...
As I said, I would go a lot further than waterboarding terrorists to protect you and your family from them.
And as I said, if we cannot protect our country without torturing people, then our security strategies are extremely flawed and myopic.
Why are you more concerned with the comfort of terrorists, than the lived of Americans?
I'm not.
I believe we can protect our country just fine without resorting to barbarism and criminality.
Tahuyaman
03-18-2018, 07:20 PM
He would be if we had a policy to torture. We don't.
I really like Rand Paul. I believe he is on the wrong side but will wait until there are Senate hearings. I would admire him more if he waited for the hearings.
I generally like Rand Paul, but yes, he's on the wrong side on these nominations. I agree. Hearing serve a purpose. Let's respect that purpose.
Tahuyaman
03-18-2018, 07:23 PM
The reason they give is US imperialism...
The Islamists would hate us no matter what. The imperialism thing is just an easy excuse.
Ethereal
03-18-2018, 07:29 PM
The Islamists would hate us no matter what. The imperialism thing is just an easy excuse.
Actually, they would hate us "no matter what" is the easy excuse. It's a transparent cop-out. In reality, they hate us because the US government slaughters Muslims in our name. But that's not easy for many Americans to accept, so they come up with comforting narratives that absolve them of any responsibility.
Tahuyaman
03-18-2018, 07:41 PM
Actually, they would hate us "no matter what" is the easy excuse. It's a transparent cop-out. In reality, they hate us because the US government slaughters Muslims in our name. But that's not easy for many Americans to accept, so they come up with comforting narratives that absolve them of any responsibility.
They hate us because of the principles the US was founded upon. That's all. Nothing more complicated than that.
Captdon
03-19-2018, 12:17 PM
Senator Paul vows to filibuster Pompeo, Haspel nominations. (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/18/politics/rand-paul-mike-pompeo-gina-haspel-cnntv/index.html)
I've said it before, but I'm thankful there are still a few adults in the republican party. I didn't expect Paul to be one of them though.
Always on the side of the bad guys.
Captdon
03-19-2018, 12:19 PM
Torture endangers the lives of Americans. It fuels hatred and resentment towards our country, which comes back to us in the form of terrorism. More importantly, it is fundamentally inconsistent with the values of liberal democracy. Government-sanctioned torture is what communist and fascist dictatorships do. That is not the kind of example America should be following.
The terrorists struck first, not us.
Suddenly you're in favor of liberal democracy.
Common
03-19-2018, 12:20 PM
Actually, they would hate us "no matter what" is the easy excuse. It's a transparent cop-out. In reality, they hate us because the US government slaughters Muslims in our name. But that's not easy for many Americans to accept, so they come up with comforting narratives that absolve them of any responsibility.
They hate us solely on religious beliefs, theyve been victimizing christians forever
Common
03-19-2018, 12:21 PM
The torture story on the woman turned out to be fake news btw.
Rand Paul seems to have a need to get attention every now and then and he does by being contrary
Captdon
03-19-2018, 12:24 PM
He would be if we had a policy to torture. We don't.
I really like Rand Paul. I believe he is on the wrong side but will wait until there are Senate hearings. I would admire him more if he waited for the hearings.
Paul is a headline-seeking lightweight. He's always defending some principle right before he caves.
Captdon
03-19-2018, 12:27 PM
Actually, they would hate us "no matter what" is the easy excuse. It's a transparent cop-out. In reality, they hate us because the US government slaughters Muslims in our name. But that's not easy for many Americans to accept, so they come up with comforting narratives that absolve them of any responsibility.
We don't slaughter Muslims. I don't need absolved of anything.
Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 02:10 PM
Paul is a headline-seeking lightweight. He's always defending some principle right before he caves.
I don't know that he's seeking attention. He's also not a lightweight. However, he's wrong on this one.
Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 02:12 PM
Senator Paul vows to filibuster Pompeo, Haspel nominations. (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/18/politics/rand-paul-mike-pompeo-gina-haspel-cnntv/index.html)
I've said it before, but I'm thankful there are still a few adults in the republican party. I didn't expect Paul to be one of them though.
Like the adults who inexplicably and surprisingly grew a set of balls and denied Obama his final liberal Supreme Court justice?
Captdon
03-19-2018, 06:08 PM
I don't know that he's seeking attention. He's also not a lightweight. However, he's wrong on this one.
Yea, he's a lightweight. What has he really ever accomplished?
Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 06:11 PM
Yea, he's a lightweight. What has he really ever accomplished?What are you looking for him to accomplish? I’m not sure why you think he’s a lightweight.
Crepitus
03-19-2018, 06:32 PM
Like the adults who inexplicably and surprisingly grew a set of balls and denied Obama his final liberal Supreme Court justice?
It undeniably takes balls to outright steal a supreme Court Justice.
But adults don't steal stuff.
Grokmaster
03-19-2018, 07:48 PM
It undeniably takes balls to outright steal a supreme Court Justice.
But adults don't steal stuff.
Like the sleazocrats denying GW Bush any of his candidates for nearly TWO YEARS before his term ended? Like that?
Schumer in 2007: Don't confirm any Bush Supreme Court nominee
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/schumer-in-2007-dont-confirm-any-bush-supreme-court-nominee
Oh , wait, it was the sleazocrats doing it, so "that's different".
Almost TWO YEARS vs SIX MONTHS. Der....
MisterVeritis
03-19-2018, 07:56 PM
Like the adults who inexplicably and surprisingly grew a set of balls and denied Obama his final liberal Supreme Court justice?
Very nice!
Cannons Front
03-20-2018, 06:31 AM
Actually, they would hate us "no matter what" is the easy excuse. It's a transparent cop-out. In reality, they hate us because the US government slaughters Muslims in our name. But that's not easy for many Americans to accept, so they come up with comforting narratives that absolve them of any responsibility.
Generally speaking the Muslim ME countries do not support the US because the US supports Israel, the slaughters Muslims in our name just simply is not true. In Iraq, the total deaths from coalition forces: 15,142 (13%) of all documented civilian deaths were reported as being directly caused by the US-led coalition. Over half of the civilian deaths caused by US-led coalition forces occurred during the 2003 invasion and the sieges of Fallujah in 2004. https://www.iraqbodycount.org
You posted part of a report on a terrorist news agency, lets look at why Osama Bin Laden says he was at war with us, this is from a letter from him
1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
a) You attacked us in Palestine: The US has never fought in Palestine
(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily. First Palestine was never a country, Israel was created by the UN Not the US
(ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.
When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islaam, the religion of all the Prophets peace be upon them. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic Ummah that believes in all the Prophets of Allah (peace and blessings be upon them) - and we make no distinction between them.
(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.
(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon. US Forces in Somalia were part of a UN force providing food, until Radical Islamists attacked aid workers, which led to task force Ranger, we had no part in Chechnya, the US and other western countries condemned Russia in both the first and second Chechen wars
(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;
(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so. #1 goal of terrorists and extremists
(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual. Countries seeking Law and Order and suppressing radicals are a good idea
(iii) These governments steal our Ummah's wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price.
(iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.
(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.
He then continues to rant and adds stealing their oil and building bases in their countries, but the bottom line is Israel
donttread
03-20-2018, 07:39 AM
Senator Paul vows to filibuster Pompeo, Haspel nominations. (https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/18/politics/rand-paul-mike-pompeo-gina-haspel-cnntv/index.html)
I've said it before, but I'm thankful there are still a few adults in the republican party. I didn't expect Paul to be one of them though.
Paul is one of if not the only voice of the Constitution and therefore of sanity in DC
MisterVeritis
03-20-2018, 10:02 AM
Paul is one of if not the only voice of the Constitution and therefore of sanity in DC
While true, Rand Paul jumped the gun. Hearings first, then the dogmatic position can follow.
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