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MMC
03-19-2018, 09:15 AM
Newsbusters bust Andrea Mitchell out once again. Its time we chase this old bag out of the Press and Lame Stream Media.




Establishment press reporters continue to insist that they play it straight in their reporting. MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell is so objective that she has suggested an underhanded way the FBI's just-fired Andrew McCabe might save his pension.


If we're to believe the "McCabe supporter" she allegedly consulted, all the former G-man has to do is briefly work for Uncle Sam in some other capacity (h/t RedState (https://www.redstate.com/prevaila/2018/03/17/andrea-mitchell-suggests-andrew-mccabe-can-save-pension/)):


Mitchell wants us to believe, without disclosing who made the suggestion, that someone else came up with the idea and told her about it mere minutes after McCabe was fired (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378826-sessions-fires-mccabe-from-fbi) on Friday. Skepticism is highly justified, especially given Mitchell's history (https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2016/10/21/was-andrea-mitchell-fed-question-ask-hillary-post-debate-qa) as a de facto Democratic operative (https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2017/04/10/andrea-mitchell-hilariously-claims-shes-not-clinton-hack-isnt-my).


As if by magic, an employment offer has surfaced (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/378923-dem-offers-to-hire-mccabe-to-help-him-qualify-for-his-pension): .....snip~


https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2018/03/18/andrea-mitchell-get-mccabe-short-federal-job-save-his-pension

Max Rockatansky
03-19-2018, 09:17 AM
If McCabe is guilty, he deserves to lose his pension.

MMC
03-19-2018, 09:25 AM
If McCabe is guilty, he deserves to lose his pension.

According to the OPR and the OIG. He is guilty.....they didn't ask if he was. Hence their recommendation to fire him.

MMC
03-19-2018, 09:42 AM
FACT: McCabe Firing was Recommended by FBI Ethics Office, Based on Nonpartisan IG's Findings.....


The latest major controversy (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/03/18/rep-goodlatte-praises-mccabes-firing-n2462149) in DC is following a familiar pattern: A development occurs, then is immediately followed by President Trump reacting poorly, coupled with President Trump's opposition overreaching with misplaced and conspiratorial claims pertaining to Russia. In this case, the development is the firing of former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe -- who was placed on leave (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/01/29/why-was-andrew-mccabe-removed-from-his-post-n2441360) a number of weeks ago due to unspecified misconduct unearthed by the DOJ's nonpartisan Inspector General. The question in recent days was whether McCabe's superiors would terminate him prior to his planned retirement date, thus depriving him of a taxpayer-funded pension. We got our answer on Friday evening, via this statement (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-sessions-statement/statement-by-attorney-general-on-firing-of-fbis-mccabe-idUSKCN1GT04O) from US Attorney General Jeff Sessions:


McCabe has since lashed out through media interviews (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/16/mccabe-fired-fbi-justice-retirement-468647) and, ironically, apparent leaks (https://twitter.com/AP/status/975054348400111618) -- asserting that his dismissal is part of some Trumpist plot to undermine special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation. There is no doubt that the president's public football-spiking (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/974859881827258369) over McCabe's sacking is unseemly and unpresidential. It has also become clear that the president and his attorneys (https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/975020180869996544) are once again itching for Mueller's probe to end, resulting in ill-advised, desperate-sounding (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/975163071361683456) and guilty-looking (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trey-gowdy-to-trump-if-you-didnt-collude-with-the-russians-act-like-it) statements. Mueller has a superb reputation (https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/05/robert-mueller-special-counsel-donald-trump-russia-investigation/) and inherited an investigation that was initiated not by the feds' divisive and potentially-tainted (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/02/08/strassel-tweetstorm-grassley-memo-n2445871) surveillance of Carter Page, but by a separate fact pattern (as confirmed (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/02/02/analysis-both-sides-overreact-to-the-memo-which-is-neither-a-nothingburger-nor-a-smoking-gun-n2443723) even by Congressional Republicans). He must be allowed to complete his work, even if his close friendship with former FBI Director James Comey and the Democratic tilt (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mueller-needs-to-make-a-change/2017/12/13/fbf93682-e050-11e7-bbd0-9dfb2e37492a_story.html?utm_term=.4b0b0a59f95f) of his team are fodder for fair criticism. That said, the storyline that McCabe's ouster amounts to an abuse of power, executed for nakedly partisan reasons that foretell dark things to come vis-a-vis Mueller, strikes me as overwrought, speculative, and hyperbolic. Let's review some facts, all of which would exist even if Trump had never fired off a single tweet about McCabe:


(1) McCabe's firing came as the result of information gleaned by the Justice Department's nonpartisan Inspector General. Michael Horowitz was appointed to that position (https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2011/07/29/president-obama-announces-more-key-administration-posts) by President Barack Obama and was confirmed by a Democratic Senate. Not only that, his discovery of McCabe's apparent wrongdoing (unauthorized media leaking, about which McCabe later "lacked candor" with investigators) came in the context of a sprawling IG examination of the FBI's handling of various Clinton-related scandals and investigations in the run-up to the 2016 election. That investigation was demanded by Democrats, who cheered its announcement (McCabe's current lawyer even referred to the probe as "welcome news (http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/17/in-2017-op-ed-andrew-mccabes-attorney-called-internal-probe-of-mccabe-welcome-news/)" in a Washington Post op/ed). Also, when did that soon-to-be-concluded investigation commence? Early January 2017 (https://oig.justice.gov/press/2017/2017-01-12.pdf), before Donald Trump took office. To recap: McCabe's fireable misconduct was unearthed by a Democrat-demanded inquiry that was launched during the Obama presidency, led by an Obama-appointed and Democrat-confirmed watchdog.


(2) After the IG discovered what McCabe had done -- remember, the current, respected FBI Director immediately ceased defending McCabe upon seeing the evidence, and placed him on terminal leave (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/01/29/why-was-andrew-mccabe-removed-from-his-post-n2441360) -- those facts were relayed to the Bureau's nonpartisan Office of Professional Responsibility. That office is overseen by an official who was originally elevated to her role by...Robert Mueller. (http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/17/in-2017-op-ed-andrew-mccabes-attorney-called-internal-probe-of-mccabe-welcome-news/) It was OPR, which serves as the FBI's internal ethics department, that recommended McCabe lose his job due to his actions. Sessions did not drop the hammer on McCabe out of nowhere; he did so because the ethics office (populated with non-political, career employees) reviewed the independent IG's findings and rendered a verdict that McCabe should be fired. Those are crucially important facts. Relatedly, I'll add that the American people deserve to see the evidence against McCabe, and the entire IG report, as soon as possible; plus, looking into whether the president's obnoxious lobbying had an inappropriate impact on the timing of McCabe's final dismissal is a legitimate line of inquiry, as well.


(3) As part of his pushback, McCabe is arguing that he was not responsible for any unauthorized media leaks -- asserting specifically that the press "interaction" in question was discussed with, and approved by, then-Director Comey. This claim may open up a new can of worms (http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/378919-mccabe-just-made-life-tough-for-comey-and-the-special-counsel), based on previous sworn testimony by Mr. Comey:


The Left frequently accuses Trump of undermining the independence and legitimacy of Robert Mueller's work, yet that's exactly what (https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/975416638345482251) many Trump critics are doing with the Inspector General's determinations, in furtherance of their own political narrative. One does not justify the other......snip~


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2018/03/19/reminder-mccabe-was-fired-on-the-recommendation-of-fbi-ethics-office-based-on-nonpartisan-inspector-generals-finding-n2462159


Time for the Weasel Comey to return for some questioning.

Common
03-19-2018, 10:21 AM
Every lapdog liberal politician and media is trying to save Ole McCabes pension. That in itself PROVES he is a democrat operative who set out to protect hillary and get trump

MMC
03-19-2018, 10:39 AM
Every lapdog liberal politician and media is trying to save Ole McCabes pension. That in itself PROVES he is a democrat operative who set out to protect hillary and get trump


As if by Magic..



Democratic Reps. Seth Moulton (Mass.), Jamie Raskin (Md.) and Luis Gutierrez (Ill.) have all made job offers on Twitter. The lawmakers are extending the offers in an attempt to help McCabe to qualify for his benefits.


"Would be happy to consider this," Moulton said of hiring McCabe. "The Sixth District of MA would benefit from the wisdom and talent of such an experienced public servant."


Raskin made a more direct job offer, telling McCabe to "DM me.""Andrew McCabe: I have the need to hire a Special Senior Staff Attorney to help me with my work on the House Judiciary Committee dealing with threats to the Constitution and the rule of law in America. You're perfect for the job," Raskin said.



Luis V. Gutierrez




@RepGutierrez

To Andrew McCabe: If you need a federal job, call me on Monday. I am serious. We have to stand up to bullies like @realDonaldTrump (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump) & @jeffsessions (https://twitter.com/jeffsessions) @USAGSessions (https://twitter.com/USAGSessions) #Resist (https://twitter.com/hashtag/Resist?src=hash) #twill (https://twitter.com/hashtag/twill?src=hash) #AndrewMcCabeFired (https://twitter.com/hashtag/AndrewMcCabeFired?src=hash) #standuptobullies (https://twitter.com/hashtag/standuptobullies?src=hash) #chicago (https://twitter.com/hashtag/chicago?src=hash) @Comey (https://twitter.com/Comey)
2:06 PM - Mar 17, 2018 (https://twitter.com/RepGutierrez/status/975085946868830208)


Rep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.) has also offered (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/378923-dem-offers-to-hire-mccabe-to-help-him-qualify-for-his-pension) to hire McCabe......snip~


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/more-dems-offer-to-hire-mccabe/ar-BBKo11k?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp



Nothing like Deviate Demos to the rescue, huh?

ripmeister
03-19-2018, 11:02 AM
Regardless of what McCabe did or didn't do this was a political hit job by the administration so don't whine about politically motivated efforts to save the guys pension. Both sides can play the game.

MMC
03-19-2018, 11:04 AM
Regardless of what McCabe did or didn't do this was a political hit job by the administration so don't whine about politically motivated efforts to save the guys pension. Both sides can play the game.


Read post 4 this time.....oh and Wray suspended McCabe over a month ago. So save the political hit job excuse.

Max Rockatansky
03-19-2018, 11:05 AM
Regardless of what McCabe did or didn't do this was a political hit job by the administration so don't whine about politically motivated efforts to save the guys pension. Both sides can play the game.
Are you saying the FBI and DOJ are corrupt? It was the OPR and OIG that investigated McCabe and recommended he be terminated, not Trump or his administration.

Common
03-19-2018, 11:07 AM
If McCabe is guilty, he deserves to lose his pension.

Agree I also believe any law enforcement that is fired should lose their pension. Actually most agencies that is the bylaws, if you are fired you lose your pension and the portion you paid into it is returned to you.

ripmeister
03-19-2018, 11:08 AM
Read post 4 this time.....oh and Wray suspended McCabe over a month ago. So save the political hit job excuse.
The impetus for the investigation seems to have been from the POTUS directing his AG to pursue this. I don't have all the details but the way it was handled last minute and Trumps reveling via Twitter over the past couple of days just make it seem like a vendetta to a certain degree.

ripmeister
03-19-2018, 11:11 AM
The irony of this whole thing is the apparent reason for the firing recommendation was his not being forthcoming or lieing about things and Trump, the biggest liar of them all validating and celebrating it. Strange times.

MMC
03-19-2018, 11:12 AM
The impetus for the investigation seems to have been from the POTUS directing his AG to pursue this. I don't have all the details but the way it was handled last minute and Trumps reveling via Twitter over the past couple of days just make it seem like a vendetta to a certain degree.


The AG didn't suspend McCabe, and if you recall at first Wray was sticking up for McCabe. That is until he seen something to change his mind. Now we know what it is he was seeing.

Cletus
03-19-2018, 11:39 AM
Regardless of what McCabe did or didn't do this was a political hit job by the administration so don't whine about politically motivated efforts to save the guys pension. Both sides can play the game.

It is ALL about what he did.

It is a shame you don't seem to see that. The next thing that should happen is the bringing of criminal charges against him.

By the way, this criminal has a net worth of about 11 million Dollars. Stripping him of his pension because of his malfeasance in office is not going to ruin his life and send him and his family into the street to starve to death.

Max Rockatansky
03-19-2018, 11:48 AM
The impetus for the investigation seems to have been from the POTUS directing his AG to pursue this. I don't have all the details but the way it was handled last minute and Trumps reveling via Twitter over the past couple of days just make it seem like a vendetta to a certain degree.
It's been under investigation for awhile. Yes, Trump is a twit. So what? Again, are you saying the OPR and OIG are corrupt or not?

ripmeister
03-19-2018, 12:07 PM
It is ALL about what he did.

It is a shame you don't seem to see that. The next thing that should happen is the bringing of criminal charges against him.

By the way, this criminal has a net worth of about 11 million Dollars. Stripping him of his pension because of his malfeasance in office is not going to ruin his life and send him and his family into the street to starve to death.
Its my understanding that the actual report has not been released yet and that McCabe disputes the findings. Do you have access to the report? If he did something illegal then so be it. That doesn't change the fact that The Salesman has been gunning for him for months. If he did something that aggregious then it will play out but this 11th hour firing smells of Trumps MO of being a vindictive person.

texan
03-19-2018, 12:08 PM
Newsbusters bust Andrea Mitchell out once again. Its time we chase this old bag out of the Press and Lame Stream Media.




Establishment press reporters continue to insist that they play it straight in their reporting. MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell is so objective that she has suggested an underhanded way the FBI's just-fired Andrew McCabe might save his pension.


If we're to believe the "McCabe supporter" she allegedly consulted, all the former G-man has to do is briefly work for Uncle Sam in some other capacity (h/t RedState (https://www.redstate.com/prevaila/2018/03/17/andrea-mitchell-suggests-andrew-mccabe-can-save-pension/)):


Mitchell wants us to believe, without disclosing who made the suggestion, that someone else came up with the idea and told her about it mere minutes after McCabe was fired (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/378826-sessions-fires-mccabe-from-fbi) on Friday. Skepticism is highly justified, especially given Mitchell's history (https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2016/10/21/was-andrea-mitchell-fed-question-ask-hillary-post-debate-qa) as a de facto Democratic operative (https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/curtis-houck/2017/04/10/andrea-mitchell-hilariously-claims-shes-not-clinton-hack-isnt-my).


As if by magic, an employment offer has surfaced (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/378923-dem-offers-to-hire-mccabe-to-help-him-qualify-for-his-pension): .....snip~


https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tom-blumer/2018/03/18/andrea-mitchell-get-mccabe-short-federal-job-save-his-pension

She is such and outdated bore A$$ whip.

ripmeister
03-19-2018, 12:10 PM
It's been under investigation for awhile. Yes, Trump is a twit. So what? Again, are you saying the OPR and OIG are corrupt or not?
No, I'm not saying that at all. What we know is their recommendation. I don't think we know the particulars yet and McCabe has challenged the conclusions of the investigation.

Cletus
03-19-2018, 12:13 PM
Its my understanding that the actual report has not been released yet and that McCabe disputes the findings. Do you have access to the report? If he did something illegal then so be it. That doesn't change the fact that The Salesman has been gunning for him for months. If he did something that aggregious then it will play out but this 11th hour firing smells of Trumps MO of being a vindictive person.

That is because that is how you want it to smell.

Assuming that both the FBI's internal investigation and the IG's independent investigation reached the proper conclusion and McCabe did in fact lie, how is that different from the actions of Scooter Libby, who was sentenced to prison for the same thing? He was sentenced to 30 months in prison for lying.

McCabe, a law enforcement officer, should be held to the same or even higher standard.

ripmeister
03-19-2018, 12:19 PM
That is because that is how you want it to smell.

Assuming that both the FBI's internal investigation and the AG's independent investigation reached the proper conclusion and McCabe did in fact lie, how is that different from the actions of Scooter Libby, who was sentenced to prison for the same thing? He was sentenced to 30 months in prison for lying.

McCabe, a law enforcement officer, should be held to the same or even higher standard.

I don't disagree but your text includes the word "assuming". That's all I'm saying. Do you deny that Trump is the vindictive type and sees things such as this as blood sport?

Cletus
03-19-2018, 12:22 PM
I don't disagree but your text includes the word "assuming". That's all I'm saying. Do you deny that Trump is the vindictive type and sees things such as this as blood sport?

Trump is irrelevant to this. This was an internal FBI matter and Trump was not really in the decision making process. This was between the FBI, the Inspector General, the Attorney General (who took no action until the FBI and IG reached their conclusions and made their recommendations), and McCabe.

Common
03-19-2018, 12:24 PM
I don't disagree but your text includes the word "assuming". That's all I'm saying. Do you deny that Trump is the vindictive type and sees things such as this as blood sport?
Of course trump is vindictive thats obvious, but the question is was it obvious to you that Obama was vindictive as was his DOJ ?
Every politician is vindictive in one way or another.

Personally I would much rather have a Trump who tells you right up front and in tweets what he thinks than have a snake like obama who grins while he fills you full of venom

Max Rockatansky
03-19-2018, 01:11 PM
Of course trump is vindictive thats obvious, but the question is was it obvious to you that Obama was vindictive as was his DOJ ?
Every politician is vindictive in one way or another.

Personally I would much rather have a Trump who tells you right up front and in tweets what he thinks than have a snake like obama who grins while he fills you full of venom

Lots to be said in favor of honest vindictive politicians versus snakes. :)

Max Rockatansky
03-19-2018, 01:18 PM
That is because that is how you want it to smell.
Assuming that both the FBI's internal investigation and the AG's independent investigation reached the proper conclusion and McCabe did in fact lie, how is that different from the actions of Scooter Libby, who was sentenced to prison for the same thing? He was sentenced to 30 months in prison for lying.
McCabe, a law enforcement officer, should be held to the same or even higher standard.
Higher standard in my book. The Spider-Man Rule applies: With great power comes great responsibility. McCabe abused his powers and he deserves to be punished severely for it.

Grokmaster
03-19-2018, 01:30 PM
If McCabe is guilty, he deserves to lose his pension.

There's no "if" about it. He was outed by an internal FBI investigation. No trial needed.

Grokmaster
03-19-2018, 01:30 PM
The clueless left , apparently, fail to grasp that McCabe's firing was INTENDED TO BE PUNITIVE.

Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 02:54 PM
McCabe was a civil servant. He's not going to lose his pension. This pension denial talk is just more dishonesty in reporting

Max Rockatansky
03-19-2018, 02:59 PM
McCabe was a civil servant. He's not going to lose his pension. This pension denial talk is just more dishonesty in reporting
Wrong again, sweetheart. He may get part of it, but he failed to qualify for full pension. If it was up to me, he wouldn't get one fucking red cent from the taxpayers he screwed over with his corruption.

Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 03:05 PM
Wrong again, sweetheart. He may get part of it, but he failed to qualify for full pension. If it was up to me, he wouldn't get one $#@!ing red cent from the taxpayers he screwed over with his corruption.


He's not going to lose his pension, sugar pants.

Max Rockatansky
03-19-2018, 03:08 PM
He's not going to lose his pension, sugar pants.
Are you saying he'll win on appeal and regain his full pension? That you think the OPR and OIG are wrong? Fascinating!

Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 03:13 PM
Are you saying he'll win on appeal and regain his full pension? That you think the OPR and OIG are wrong? Fascinating!


He'll get what he has coming to him based on his time in service. Period. The OIG and OPR have nothing to do with it. You must not understand how civil service operates.

Max Rockatansky
03-19-2018, 03:20 PM
He'll get what he has coming to him based on his time in service. Period. The OIG and OPR have nothing to do with it. You must not understand how civil service operates.
Maybe. If it was up to me, he'd be stripped back to the time when his malfeasance began, if not more. Interesting that you are so forgiving of crooked officials.

Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 03:26 PM
Maybe. If it was up to me, he'd be stripped back to the time when his malfeasance began, if not more. Interesting that you are so forgiving of crooked officials.

Where did I forgive him? I'm just telling you what is going to happen. You have a habit of reading comments and translating them to mean something not stated.

Now, show any comment by me where I forgave him or even suggested such a thing.

Max Rockatansky
03-19-2018, 03:38 PM
Where did I forgive him? I'm just telling you what is going to happen. You have a habit of reading comments and translating them to mean something not stated.

Now, show any comment by me where I forgave him or even suggested such a thing.

What will happen to him is beyond your beliefs and mine. Your posts so assuring that his pension is safe indicate support despite his criminal activities.

Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 03:42 PM
What will happen to him is beyond your beliefs and mine. Your posts so assuring that his pension is safe indicate support despite his criminal activities.


How is it that you translate my comments to mean something I never said? Are you a functional illiterate?

What will happen to him is based on civil service rules, not what you hope will happen.

Grokmaster
03-19-2018, 06:42 PM
McCabe was a civil servant. He's not going to lose his pension. This pension denial talk is just more dishonesty in reporting
He cannot start drawing it now, AND he will lose what he cannot draw until seven years from now....yeah, it's costing him significantly. He will get some of his pension...not all.

Common
03-19-2018, 06:46 PM
He'll get what he has coming to him based on his time in service. Period. The OIG and OPR have nothing to do with it. You must not understand how civil service operates.
Doesnt work like that if you are fired and its upheld you lose your pension and get the portion you paid into it, same with a felony

MisterVeritis
03-19-2018, 06:47 PM
There's no "if" about it. He was outed by an internal FBI investigation. No trial needed.
Firing is administrative, not criminal. Now we need to move to the criminal phase and try him for the crime(s) he apparently committed.

Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 06:48 PM
He cannot start drawing it now, AND he will lose what he cannot draw until seven years from now....yeah, it's costing him significantly. He will get some of his pension...not all.


There are rules about when you can draw your pension. There is a formula which determines your benefit by your number of years of service. He will receive the pension benefit he is entitled to receive when he’s eligible to receive it.

Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 06:49 PM
Firing is administrative, not criminal. Now we need to move to the criminal phase and try him for the crime(s) he apparently committed.Now, if he’s tried and found guilty in a criminal court, that could put his pension at risk.

Grokmaster
03-19-2018, 06:51 PM
There are rules about when you can draw your pension. There is a formula which determines your benefit by your number of years of service. He will receive the pension benefit he is entitled to receive when he’s eligible to receive it.

You can lose your pension for fireable offenses. He has lost his chance to start drawing now. He will get some but what he loses now, he cannot recover, without winning it back in court. This, according to a Fed, employee union nerd in a USA Today article a few days ago...

Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 06:52 PM
Doesnt work like that if you are fired and its upheld you lose your pension and get the portion you paid into it, same with a felony
That’s not true. People get fired all the time and they still receive the pension benefits they are entitled to when they are eligible to receive it. The rules change if you are convicted of a criminal act while in the conduct of your duty.

Grokmaster
03-19-2018, 06:54 PM
That’s not true. People get fired all the time and they still receive the pension benefits they are entitled to when they are eligible to receive it. The rules change if you are convicted of a criminal act while in the conduct of your duty.
He was fired before he reached an employment tenure milestone, to deny him that part of his pension, which is based on LENGTH OF SERVICE..

Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 06:56 PM
You can lose your pension for fireable offenses. He has lost his chance to start drawing now. He will get some but what he loses now, he cannot recover, without winning it back in court. This, according to a Fed, employee union nerd in a USA Today article a few days ago...

Are there any civil servants here who have a grasp of civil service rules as they pertain to this issue? His civil service commission is not going to allow his future pension benefits be withheld for simply being fired without a criminal prosecution.

Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 06:59 PM
He was fired before he reached an employment tenure milestone, to deny him that part of his pension, which is based on LENGTH OF SERVICE..
He was vested, but not vested enough to receive the full benefits had he had 30 years of service. He will receive a pension at some point relative to his time in service for the rest of his life unless he is convicted of a crime connected to the conduct of his duties.

Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 07:02 PM
His civil service commission is looking at the future for all employees. They are not going to approve withholding his authorized pension benefits for getting fired after 20+ years.

This is not a defense of McCabe. It’s just the way it is.

Grokmaster
03-19-2018, 07:13 PM
He was vested, but not vested enough to receive the full benefits had he had 30 years of service. He will receive a pension at some point relative to his time in service for the rest of his life unless he is convicted of a crime connected to the conduct of his duties.
Yes. But not what he would have had he not been punitively CANNED last Friday.... for just that reason.

Max Rockatansky
03-19-2018, 07:18 PM
How is it that you translate my comments to mean something I never said? Are you a functional illiterate?
The fact you are acting like a 13 year old girl in menses proves you are not as honest as you want to appear. Honest people don't have to resort to name-calling to defend themselves. Your subsequent posts prove my point about defending McCabe's ill-gained pension.
There are rules about when you can draw your pension. There is a formula which determines your benefit by your number of years of service. He will receive the pension benefit he is entitled to receive when he’s eligible to receive it.


Now, if he’s tried and found guilty in a criminal court, that could put his pension at risk.


That’s not true. People get fired all the time and they still receive the pension benefits they are entitled to when they are eligible to receive it. The rules change if you are convicted of a criminal act while in the conduct of your duty.

Grokmaster
03-19-2018, 07:22 PM
The fact you are acting like a 13 year old girl in menses proves you are not as honest as you want to appear. Honest people don't have to resort to name-calling to defend themselves. Your subsequent posts prove my point about defending McCabe's ill-gained pension.
Now see? This is the crap I was talking about in the other thread. You are not addressing his points, are you? You DID change the meaning of his words in the post he referred to....

Debate the topic....

Max Rockatansky
03-19-2018, 07:25 PM
Debate the topic....
When you take your own advice, let me know.

Grokmaster
03-19-2018, 07:28 PM
When you take your own advice, let me know.

Forget it; you like juvenile ad hom exchanges, obviously. Seeya.

Max Rockatansky
03-19-2018, 07:30 PM
Forget it; you like juvenile ad hom exchanges, obviously. Seeya.
Debate the topic....
Wow. You can't even take advice from yourself.

Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 07:33 PM
He's a characature of a real human being.

Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 07:35 PM
Yes. But not what he would have had he not been punitively CANNED last Friday.... for just that reason.. Of course he won't receive a pension benefit he would have had he retired after 30+ years. The fact is, his authorized pension benefits will not be denied. The claim that he has completely lost his pension is inaccurate.

Max Rockatansky
03-19-2018, 07:43 PM
It appears the Democrats will protect McCabe and ensure he retires with more benefits than the median wage of Democratic voters.

http://time.com/money/5205951/andrew-mccabe-fbi-pension-benefits/
Reps. Seth Moulton, Luis Gutierrez, Jamie Raskin, and Mark Pocan, all Democrats, have already offered jobs to McCabe. He would only have to work for a short period of time in order to qualify for the full pension, the Washington Post reported (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/03/17/andrew-mccabe-was-just-offered-a-job-by-a-congressman-so-he-can-get-his-full-retirement-and-it-just-might-work/?utm_term=.d00caea2df17), and a spokesperson for McCabe said he is “considering all options.”...

...The exact amount of McCabe’s pension is unknown, but there are estimates that he could be eligible for at least $56,000 per year (https://www.ntu.org/foundation/detail/is-andrew-mccabes-federal-pension-at-risk-if-he-is-fired), given his position and years of service. McCabe will also lose out on an enhanced retirement benefit (https://ask.fedweek.com/federal-retirement/retirement-eligibility/) that is offered to members of law enforcement as a result of his firing. But, even if he is not hired by a member of Congress, McCabe will still be eligible to receive his pension at full retirement age.



https://www.debt.org/faqs/americans-in-debt/economic-demographics-democrats/

Grokmaster
03-19-2018, 07:45 PM
. Of course he won't receive a pension benefit he would have had he retired after 30+ years. The fact is, his authorized pension benefits will not be denied. The claim that he has completely lost his pension is inaccurate.

True. He lost a sizable chunk of what he thought he had coming....

Tahuyaman
03-19-2018, 09:55 PM
True. He lost a sizable chunk of what he thought he had coming....


Right, because he didn’t stay employed by the FBI as long as he had planned.

MMC
03-20-2018, 05:40 AM
She is such and outdated bore A$$ whip.

She is nothing more than a Demo operative working in the press. She needs to be chased out.

MMC
03-20-2018, 05:47 AM
They got for Official Misconduct and misleading investigators. So basically lying to the Fed. After the IG Report is released then they get him on the criminal.