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IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 08:29 AM
What certainly appears to have been the largest protest action in American history took place yesterday across the country and even abroad as well (and it's worth noting that this is the second time in as many years that one can say that). In the U.S. alone, some 845 separate demonstrations took place, and organizers estimate that about 800,000 people attended the main march in Washington DC alone, dwarfing the attendance of the president's inaugural address (generally estimated between 160,000 and 400,000, depending on who you believe). There are no formal estimates of the total attendance as yet, but it can be safely assessed to have been in the many millions in the U.S. alone.

Organizers maximized turnout by wisely choosing to include a focus not only on mass shootings, but also on the everyday gun violence that plagues so many of our major cities in this country. For me, the most remarkable speech was that given by the young Yolanda Renee King, granddaughter of Dr. Martin Luther King, who called upon all to envision "a gun-free world", echoing the boldness of her grandfather's dream. Emma Gonzales, perhaps the best-known of the Parkland survivors, offered an emotional six minutes and 20 seconds of silence, corresponding to the amount of time it took for the shooter at her school to murder 17 and wound an additional 15. A sign that resonated strongly with me read "I WOULD DIE FOR MY STUDENTS, BUT I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO", echoing the sentiments frankly, I believe, of most educators in this moment.

If only someone in Washington were listening.

Max Rockatansky
03-25-2018, 08:40 AM
Idealism at its finest. If only there were no guns, there'd be no violence, no suicides, no wars. Peace would reign over the Earth and the sky would be filled with Rainbows and Unicorns. Awesome!

nathanbforrest45
03-25-2018, 08:44 AM
If we all drank Chanel No. Five our farts would be the envy of the world.

MMC
03-25-2018, 08:56 AM
Idealism at its finest. If only there were no guns, there'd be no violence, no suicides, no wars. Peace would reign over the Earth and the sky would be filled with Rainbows and Unicorns. Awesome!

Uh huh.....Leftist idealism at that. The best part being failed leftist idealism.



Students Demand 'Revolution' and 'Restorative Justice'


Hundreds of thousands are gathering in Washington, DC and across the globe to advocate stricter gun control, but the student speakers in the nations' capital are making it abundantly clear that the March for Our Lives is a little more complicated than calling for safer schools. In fact, most of the calls for reform today have been tried and failed already.


David Hogg has been the most vocal, or at least the person with the most media attention, of the student organizers of this event. Consistently, he has called for tighter gun control. But, his messaging has taken a turn in recent days to instead focus on perceived racial injustice and white privilege. Ryan Saavedra of The Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/authors/ryan-saavedra) has done excellent job capturing the increasingly leftist talking point spouted by these students.


In a recent interview, Hogg told (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/03/19/david_hogg_we_need_to_use_our_white_privilege_to_m ake_sure_black_gun_victims_are_heard.html) the audience that, "I think one of the greatest obstacles that we've faced though with this movement is the fact that there is a lot of racial disparity in the way that this is covered."


"If this happened in a place of a lower socio-economic status or a place where like a black community, no matter how well those people spoke, I don't think the media would cover it the same and I think it is important that we point that out as Americans we realize that," he added.


Jumping off that point, his classmate Cameron Kasky added, "The spotlight is on us and it's awful and it's a horrible thought that it is that we're an affluent community, that's why initially people followed this so closely. Because this happens everyday other places."


Then at the March for Our Lives rally, Kasky told the crowd, "Welcome to the revolution."


Aside from envisioning a world without the NRA and with much tighter gun control, the details on that revolution seem pretty slim.


It should not be surprising then that students advocating for infringement upon the second amendment rights of millions of Americans are also calling for a world in which discipline is essentially tossed aside. Typically, one should ignore these banal calls for revolution and restorative justice as leftwing rantings of children who have yet to experience adulthood and have not had the opportunity change their perspective and worldview.......snip~


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/03/24/students-call-for-revolution-and-restorative-justice-n2464331



The Students Demand. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

MMC
03-25-2018, 08:58 AM
If we all drank Chanel No. Five our farts would be the envy of the world.

Someone should have spoke up and told them STFU, go home clean your rooms and do your chores without being told to do so. See if you can handle that shit before trying to play grown ups.

Max Rockatansky
03-25-2018, 08:59 AM
Kids, whatcha gonna do, eh?

MMC
03-25-2018, 09:03 AM
Kids, whatcha gonna do, eh?
You remember when the Who sang.....the Kids are Alright. Al Yankovic has a new song now.....The Kids are all Uptight. :laugh:

MMC
03-25-2018, 09:09 AM
You can tell they have been given the mantra by their leftist handlers. First break out the race card. Then Demonize NRA people. Then come with the failed Restorative Justice.


It seems they took Pink Floyd to heart. We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control. :laugh: Guess they thought only teachers do that, huh? http://www.debatepolitics.com/images/smilies/lmfao.gif

Max Rockatansky
03-25-2018, 09:11 AM
You can tell they have been given the mantra by their leftist handlers. First break out the race card. Then Demonize NRA people. Then come with the failed Restorative Justice.
It seems they took Pink Floyd to heart. We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control. :laugh: Guess they thought only teachers do that, huh? http://www.debatepolitics.com/images/smilies/lmfao.gif

I watched Tom Kane demonize the NRA on CNN this morning. Pure LW bullshit. If the NRA folded up their tent, who would the LW anti-gunners blame then?

MMC
03-25-2018, 09:14 AM
I watched Tom Kane demonize the NRA on CNN this morning. Pure LW bullshit. If the NRA folded up their tent, who would the LW anti-gunners blame then?

The Pro Life? :dontknow:


Wish it would have been summertime.....then they all could have worn diapers and brought along their baabaas.


https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.aaOtb-53QgCfrt39izXzVwHaE8&pid=Api

Crepitus
03-25-2018, 09:19 AM
Wow, lookit all the hate and derision.

Astonishing to see this from people who proport to believe in freedom and the Constitution.

Sometimes conservatives make me ashamed to be an American.

MMC
03-25-2018, 09:22 AM
Wow, lookit all the hate and derision.

Astonishing to see this from people who proport to believe in freedom and the Constitution.

Sometimes conservatives make me ashamed to be an American.

LOL you should have been ashamed the first time you ever looked in the mirror. That should have been more than enough for you to handle. :laugh:

Crepitus
03-25-2018, 09:33 AM
LOL you should have been ashamed the first time you ever looked in the mirror. That should have been more than enough for you to handle. :laugh:

I've noticed that you insult when you feel embarrassed.

stjames1_53
03-25-2018, 09:36 AM
Uh huh.....Leftist idealism at that. The best part being failed leftist idealism.



Students Demand 'Revolution' and 'Restorative Justice'


Hundreds of thousands are gathering in Washington, DC and across the globe to advocate stricter gun control, but the student speakers in the nations' capital are making it abundantly clear that the March for Our Lives is a little more complicated than calling for safer schools. In fact, most of the calls for reform today have been tried and failed already.


David Hogg has been the most vocal, or at least the person with the most media attention, of the student organizers of this event. Consistently, he has called for tighter gun control. But, his messaging has taken a turn in recent days to instead focus on perceived racial injustice and white privilege. Ryan Saavedra of The Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/authors/ryan-saavedra) has done excellent job capturing the increasingly leftist talking point spouted by these students.


In a recent interview, Hogg told (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/03/19/david_hogg_we_need_to_use_our_white_privilege_to_m ake_sure_black_gun_victims_are_heard.html) the audience that, "I think one of the greatest obstacles that we've faced though with this movement is the fact that there is a lot of racial disparity in the way that this is covered."


"If this happened in a place of a lower socio-economic status or a place where like a black community, no matter how well those people spoke, I don't think the media would cover it the same and I think it is important that we point that out as Americans we realize that," he added.


Jumping off that point, his classmate Cameron Kasky added, "The spotlight is on us and it's awful and it's a horrible thought that it is that we're an affluent community, that's why initially people followed this so closely. Because this happens everyday other places."


Then at the March for Our Lives rally, Kasky told the crowd, "Welcome to the revolution."


Aside from envisioning a world without the NRA and with much tighter gun control, the details on that revolution seem pretty slim.


It should not be surprising then that students advocating for infringement upon the second amendment rights of millions of Americans are also calling for a world in which discipline is essentially tossed aside. Typically, one should ignore these banal calls for revolution and restorative justice as leftwing rantings of children who have yet to experience adulthood and have not had the opportunity change their perspective and worldview.......snip~


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/03/24/students-call-for-revolution-and-restorative-justice-n2464331



The Students Demand. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

they have closed their eyes to what is happening in Venezuela. It is the result of "neo-socialism" as they see it. Now, they cannot feed themselves or defend themselves, Venezuela is a perfect example of "neo-socialism.
17 years old....how much real life experience do they have? Chloe would put these idiots in charge of the rest of America.......... they fall into the same category as those who want to erase history.

MMC
03-25-2018, 09:38 AM
I've noticed that you insult when you feel embarrassed.

Then you really haven't noticed from the first time you fucked up. But that's not surprising for your kind.

MMC
03-25-2018, 09:42 AM
they have closed their eyes to what is happening in Venezuela. It is the result of "neo-socialism" as they see it. Now, they cannot feed themselves or defend themselves, Venezuela is a perfect example of "neo-socialism.
17 years old....how much real life experience do they have? Chloe would put these idiots in charge of the rest of America.......... they fall into the same category as those who want to erase history.

Can you imagine if they had lived in the M.E., they would have made the statistics charts a whole lot sooner.

Crepitus
03-25-2018, 09:43 AM
Then you really haven't noticed from the first time you fucked up. But that's not surprising for your kind.

That makes no sense.

MMC
03-25-2018, 09:44 AM
That makes no sense.

No need to prove why rocks are smarter than you.

Crepitus
03-25-2018, 09:47 AM
No need to prove why rocks are smarter than you.

Ya know dude, life's just to short to deal with retards like you on nice Sunday mornings so why don't you just fuck off and stop responding to my posts for a while. That's what I'm gonna do.

MMC
03-25-2018, 09:50 AM
Ya know dude, life's just to short to deal with retards like you on nice Sunday mornings so why don't you just fuck off and stop responding to my posts for a while. That's what I'm gonna do.

Well then take your diseased ass and run along. Ya fucking defect. Maybe if you quit acting like a lil bitch. Then I wont treat you like one. Lame ass punk mutha phucker.

Chris
03-25-2018, 09:51 AM
I'm good with the kids protesting. They should voice their opinion.

I disagree with their point. They offer no solution, like their older liberals. It's all emotion.

IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 09:53 AM
Crepitus wrote:
Wow, lookit all the hate and derision.

Astonishing to see this from people who proport to believe in freedom and the Constitution.

Sometimes conservatives make me ashamed to be an American.

I'd say they were triggered, but I don't want any of them getting ideas.

And who is offending them so most of all? The grade school survivors of a gun massacre. That's who they're angriest at. Kinda tells you everything you need to know about 21st century conservative politics right there, doesn't it? What happened to those "family values" these same people once hyped up so much?

MMC
03-25-2018, 09:55 AM
I'm good with the kids protesting. They should voice their opinion.

I disagree with their point. They offer no solution, like their older liberals. It's all emotion.

Lets not forget.....they were suppose to be honoring their fellow students who were killed. Seems like that became an afterthought.

IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 09:59 AM
They're all crisis actors!! :wink::rollseyes:

nathanbforrest45
03-25-2018, 10:01 AM
Wow, lookit all the hate and derision.

Astonishing to see this from people who proport to believe in freedom and the Constitution.

Sometimes conservatives make me ashamed to be an American.

So, defending the Second Amendment is unconsitutional now? No one is demanding that marches like this be banned, we are simply pointing out they are useless and attacking the wrong issues.

You are apparently a strong believer that if a large enough group marched on Washington demanding an end to something it should happen. What if they demanded an end to outlawing slavery? Would that be acceptable to you? Seriously and don't insult the board by claiming this is not the same. It is, its believing that one part of the Constitution can be overlooked or eliminated if enough people scream loud enough.

MMC
03-25-2018, 10:03 AM
They're all crisis actors!! :wink::rollseyes:

Maybe if they wouldn't have brought up race.....Lil Louie Farrakan would let them march on DC with him.

stjames1_53
03-25-2018, 10:15 AM
They have no idea what they are protesting. They just want their air-time.........

Crepitus
03-25-2018, 10:23 AM
So, defending the Second Amendment is unconsitutional now? No one is demanding that marches like this be banned, we are simply pointing out they are useless and attacking the wrong issues.

You are apparently a strong believer that if a large enough group marched on Washington demanding an end to something it should happen. What if they demanded an end to outlawing slavery? Would that be acceptable to you? Seriously and don't insult the board by claiming this is not the same. It is, its believing that one part of the Constitution can be overlooked or eliminated if enough people scream loud enough.

Wow, did you think all that crap up on your own? You must have because I Didn't Say Any Of It.

Chris
03-25-2018, 10:25 AM
They have no idea what they are protesting. They just want their air-time.........

Gun control.

MMC
03-25-2018, 10:26 AM
They have no idea what they are protesting. They just want their air-time.........

Well other than the NRA and wanting a world free of guns and violence. But hey its not like they really wanted to be realistic. They got CNN behind them, Right? lol

stjames1_53
03-25-2018, 10:27 AM
Gun control.

that ain't all they are protesting. According to them, it's also about Race and Gender................talk about mixed messages.

MMC
03-25-2018, 10:37 AM
that ain't all they are protesting. According to them, it's also about Race and Gender................talk about mixed messages.

But hey.....Welcome to the Revolution. :laugh:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLGzRXY5Bw

Chris
03-25-2018, 10:40 AM
that ain't all they are protesting. According to them, it's also about Race and Gender................talk about mixed messages.

And probably sexual orientation.

Confused kids.

IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 10:40 AM
St. James wrote:
that ain't all they are protesting. According to them, it's also about Race and Gender................talk about mixed messages.

On the contrary! Today's left views social oppressions intersectionally. All you have to do is check out the difference in the rate of gun violence in the white versus black neighborhoods of Chicago and observe the different average wealth and corporate investment levels and the radically different quality of the school systems etc. in those respective parts of the community to see a clear example the relationship between racially-determined conditions and typical rates of gun violence. Likewise, all you have to do is notice that 83% of all acts of gun violence, including 98% of all mass shootings, are committed by males to observe a clear intersection between the way boys and men are socialized and the proliferation of gun violence. These issues are interrelated and, as such, there was a desire to speak to all component-parts of the issue of gun violence, not JUST gun control.

Max Rockatansky
03-25-2018, 10:41 AM
that ain't all they are protesting. According to them, it's also about Race and Gender................talk about mixed messages.
Just like the good ol' days of the Rainbow Coalition.

IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 10:42 AM
@Chris (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=128) and @Max Rockatansky (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=575)

See my clarification of this matter in post #33 above (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/95965-The-March-For-Our-Lives?p=2317800&viewfull=1#post2317800).

Max Rockatansky
03-25-2018, 10:45 AM
@Chris (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=128) and @Max Rockatansky (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=575)

See my clarification of this matter in post #33 above (http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/95965-The-March-For-Our-Lives?p=2317800&viewfull=1#post2317800).Do you really believe the only difference between males and females is socialization?

Peter1469
03-25-2018, 10:46 AM
Most violent gun deaths are from common criminals. Mass school shootings are from young males on dangerous prescription medication.
On the contrary! Today's left views social oppressions intersectionally. All you have to do is check out the difference in the rate of gun violence in the white versus black neighborhoods of Chicago and observe the different average wealth and corporate investment levels and the radically different quality of the school systems etc. in those respective parts of the community to see a clear example the relationship between racially-determined conditions and typical rates of gun violence. Likewise, all you have to do is notice that 83% of all acts of gun violence, including 98% of all mass shootings, are committed by males to observe a clear intersection between the way boys and men are socialized and the proliferation of gun violence. These issues are interrelated and, as such, there was a desire to speak to all component-parts of the issue of gun violence, not JUST gun control.

Chris
03-25-2018, 10:52 AM
On the contrary! Today's left views social oppressions intersectionally. All you have to do is check out the difference in the rate of gun violence in the white versus black neighborhoods of Chicago and observe the different average wealth and corporate investment levels and the radically different quality of the school systems etc. in those respective parts of the community to see a clear example the relationship between racially-determined conditions and typical rates of gun violence. Likewise, all you have to do is notice that 83% of all acts of gun violence, including 98% of all mass shootings, are committed by males to observe a clear intersection between the way boys and men are socialized and the proliferation of gun violence. These issues are interrelated and, as such, there was a desire to speak to all component-parts of the issue of gun violence, not JUST gun control.



Except that's not intersectionality, Polly. It's not the old simplistic black vs white. What that is is clearly defined here:


...there is “intersectionality.” It seems that there are many complex forms of gender and race discrimination and oppression. You may be oppressed for being a woman. Or discriminated against for being black. Or you may be oppressed and discriminated against because you are black and female. Or you may be “marginalized” by others because you have a physical handicap. So you may be oppressed, discriminated against, and marginalized because you are black, female, and handicapped. Or you may be gay and humiliated and made fun of. So you may be black, female, handicapped, and gay and, therefore, a victim of all these abuses and “aggressions.”

Each of these “intersections” has their own category of meaning, experience, oppression, discrimination, abuse, and “marginalization.” And others, even abused “black sisters,” may not fully know “the troubles you’ve seen” because you are female, black, but also handicapped and/or gay. And, of course, a white woman can only really understand one fraction of what this other person goes through because, though a woman, she is white and therefore has had some degree of privilege due to not being a person of color.

You can’t keep up with all the permutations of abuse, oppression, and discrimination without a detailed and complex intersectionality scorecard! ...

You get five points for being black, female, and gay; but you only get three points because while you may be gay and handicapped you are a white female. As a white, heterosexual male with only a stutter, you get one point for the speech impediment but minus nine for being totally otherwise white privileged. The mind gets dizzy with all the intersectionality calculations and possibilities.

@ Collectivism’s Progress: From Marxism to Race and Gender Warfare (https://fee.org/articles/collectivism-s-progress-from-marxism-to-race-and-gender-warfare/)

MMC
03-25-2018, 10:52 AM
Just like the good ol' days of the Rainbow Coalition.

https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.e3U6oi2hlevcBXfRpZtBdADcEb&w=176&h=219&c=7&o=5&pid=1.7

stjames1_53
03-25-2018, 10:53 AM
On the contrary! Today's left views social oppressions intersectionally. All you have to do is check out the difference in the rate of gun violence in the white versus black neighborhoods of Chicago and observe the different average wealth and corporate investment levels and the radically different quality of the school systems etc. in those respective parts of the community to see a clear example the relationship between racially-determined conditions and typical rates of gun violence. Likewise, all you have to do is notice that 83% of all acts of gun violence, including 98% of all mass shootings, are committed by males to observe a clear intersection between the way boys and men are socialized and the proliferation of gun violence. These issues are interrelated and, as such, there was a desire to speak to all component-parts of the issue of gun violence, not JUST gun control.

then grab your social justice handbag and get your butt to Chicago and talk to those blacks who shoot other blacks. 90% of all homicides in Chi-town are committed by blacks on blacks gang shootings. Taking my guns away is not going to solve those issues.
It is not up to you to decide how and when I defend myself or my family. there is a war brewing. You should arm yourself

MMC
03-25-2018, 10:54 AM
Most violent gun deaths are from common criminals. Mass school shootings are from young males on dangerous prescription medication.

Do you think they will acknowledge who has been in Control of Chicago for over 60 years? The Demos themselves don't as they don't want to put themselves on display.

IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 10:56 AM
Max wrote:
Do you really believe the only difference between males and females is socialization?

Objectively? Obviously not. But behaviorally? Pretty much, yeah. There was a good article (http://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/03/05/will-never-address-gun-violence-dont-address-root-problem-masculinity/) on the relationship between the wildly disproportionate rates of violence in general among males and the social construct that is masculinity (which liberals call "toxic" masculinity, as though there were some other kind) with which boys are raised that was posted recently on Feminist Current that I think is worth reading on this subject. Therein, Morgan Amonett highlights various ways in which boys are raised not to control their impulses to anywhere near the same degree that girls are expected to. I think that's something relevant anyway!

Chris
03-25-2018, 10:56 AM
March for Our Lives: Gun control ideas sound good, but are deeply flawed and won't save lives (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/03/24/march-for-our-lives-gun-control-ideas-sound-good-but-are-deeply-flawed-and-wont-save-lives.html)


...The motivations of many people taking part in the Washington event and other demonstrations around the country are sincere. But before we “do something,” we need to stop and think: what is the most sensible thing we should do? What will actually save lives and make us safer?

It’s important to understand that the debate isn’t between those who want to end violence and those who support gun rights. Both sides want to end violence. The debate is simply over how best to keep Americans safe.

Supporting gun control is now the “in thing.” Stars such as Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus tweet their support. Time and Teen Vogue magazines run cover stories glorifying people working to put stricter controls on guns and ban some weapons. The New England Patriots used their team plane to fly students and families from Parkland, Florida, to Washington for Saturday’s gun control rally.

You would be unlikely to know it from the media coverage of the Washington demonstration, but only 47 percent of Americans between 13 and 17 believe that more gun control could reduce mass public shootings.

Peter1469
03-25-2018, 10:56 AM
Do you think they will acknowledge who has been in Control of Chicago for over 60 years? The Demos themselves don't as they don't want to put themselves on display.
They don't have a chance to deny reality.

Chris
03-25-2018, 11:02 AM
Objectively? Obviously not. But behaviorally? Pretty much, yeah. There was a good article (http://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/03/05/will-never-address-gun-violence-dont-address-root-problem-masculinity/) on the relationship between the wildly disproportionate rates of violence in general among males and the social construct that is masculinity (which liberals call "toxic" masculinity, as though there were some other kind) with which boys are raised that was posted recently on Feminist Current that I think is worth reading on this subject. Therein, Morgan Amonett highlights various ways in which boys are raised not to control their impulses to anywhere near the same degree that girls are expected to. I think that's something relevant anyway!

Anti-masculine diatribe.

You do realize it was the left that has torn down the traditional social order that kept those impulses in check. You all wanted to free people from that and rely instead on the state and no look to it to force that "freedom."

MMC
03-25-2018, 11:02 AM
Objectively? Obviously not. But behaviorally? Pretty much, yeah. There was a good article (http://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/03/05/will-never-address-gun-violence-dont-address-root-problem-masculinity/) on the relationship between the wildly disproportionate rates of violence in general among males and the social construct that is masculinity (which liberals call "toxic" masculinity, as though there were some other kind) with which boys are raised that was posted recently on Feminist Current that I think is worth reading on this subject. Therein, Morgan Amonett highlights various ways in which boys are raised not to control their impulses to anywhere near the same degree that girls are expected to. I think that's something relevant anyway!

Remind us who was all for the breakdown of the nuclear family.

Why is it that boys that grow up with both biological parents don't have that problem of controlling their impulses.

IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 11:02 AM
St. James wrote:
then grab your social justice handbag and get your butt to Chicago and talk to those blacks who shoot other blacks.

You do realize that Chicago's South Side was among the 845 places in this country that the March For Our Lives was held for precisely that reason, right?


You should arm yourself

I actually do own a pair of handguns. I don't know what argument you're trying to make here.

MMC
03-25-2018, 11:08 AM
You do realize that Chicago's south side was among the 845 places in this country that the March For Our Lives was held for precisely that reason, right?


I actually do own a pair of handguns. I don't know what argument you're trying to make here.



Chicago's South Side?????? Who told you that.


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www.marchforlife-chicago.org/



Uhm......Downtown Chicago is not the South Side. Nor is Federal Plaza.

You didn't think they would even attempt to hold such a rally in gangbanger land did you?




March for Our Lives Chicago (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/media/96257568-132.html)

Chicago Tribune · 19h

Thousands of people gather in Union Park for the March for Our Lives rally and march against gun violence March 24, 2018, in Chicago. (Erin Hooley/Chicago Tribune)


Oh, and Union Park is Downtown Chicago. Use to be called Grant Park. For Ulysses S Grant. But you know how leftists like to Change up History.

Max Rockatansky
03-25-2018, 11:08 AM
Objectively? Obviously not. But behaviorally? Pretty much, yeah. There was a good article (http://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/03/05/will-never-address-gun-violence-dont-address-root-problem-masculinity/) on the relationship between the wildly disproportionate rates of violence in general among males and the social construct that is masculinity (which liberals call "toxic" masculinity, as though there were some other kind) with which boys are raised that was posted recently on Feminist Current that I think is worth reading on this subject. Therein, Morgan Amonett highlights various ways in which boys are raised not to control their impulses to anywhere near the same degree that girls are expected to. I think that's something relevant anyway!Obviously culture can play up or play down natural male aggressiveness but if you think it can be totally weeded out then you'd also have to believe gay conversion therapy actually works. Hint: It doesn't.

IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 11:17 AM
MMC wrote:
Uhm......Downtown Chicago is not the South Side. Nor is Federal Plaza.

Oh. :tongue: Didn't realize the actual location of the Chicago event. Well the point is that Chicago's South Side was represented; that the speakers there were dominantly black and speaking about gun violence in the South Side.

IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 11:19 AM
Max wrote:
Obviously culture can play up or play down natural male aggressiveness but if you think it can be totally weeded out then you'd also have to believe gay conversion therapy actually works. Hint: It doesn't.

It's precisely the fact that we as a society accept the logic that says males cannot control themselves that provides some of them with a disproportionate sense of license to commit violent acts, IMO. They can. We choose not to insist upon it.

MMC
03-25-2018, 11:23 AM
Oh. :tongue: Didn't realize the actual location of the Chicago event. Well the point is that Chicago's South Side was represented; that the speakers there were dominantly black and speaking about gun violence in the South Side.

Oh, I am sure some came from a few gang infested neighborhoods. But I would say the majority came out of Hyde Park South side. Where BO the peep has a home and where there isn't much gangbanging or shootings.


I didn't see to many families associated with gang organizations down there. You know where Moms or Pops was or is a member. Like Auntie and Uncle. etc etc.

Max Rockatansky
03-25-2018, 11:28 AM
It's precisely the fact that we as a society accept the logic that says males cannot control themselves that provides some of them with a disproportionate sense of license to commit violent acts, IMO. They can. We choose not to insist upon it.
Straw man argument. I never said anything about males being unable to control themselves. You made that leap all by yourself.

That said, there are human beings, both male and female, who can't control their impulses regardless of what those impulses are. Our jails and mental facilities are filled with such people.

MMC
03-25-2018, 11:32 AM
Straw man argument. I never said anything about males being unable to control themselves. You made that leap all by yourself.

That said, there are human beings, both male and female, who can't control their impulses regardless of what those impulses are. Our jails and mental facilities are filled with such people.

So is the Public Eye filled with such people. Like that Stormy weather. :grin:


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IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 11:34 AM
What in the fucking hell? How did we get to the Trump-Daniels controversy? And how exactly does the fact the married president (married to a former fashion model, mind you) was apparently unable to restrain himself from cheating with a porn star demonstrate an exercise of male self-restraint anyway? :tongue:

Standing Wolf
03-25-2018, 11:38 AM
Jumping off that point, his classmate Cameron Kasky added, "The spotlight is on us and it's awful and it's a horrible thought that it is that we're an affluent community, that's why initially people followed this so closely. Because this happens everyday other places."


On the contrary! Today's left views social oppressions intersectionally. All you have to do is check out the difference in the rate of gun violence in the white versus black neighborhoods of Chicago and observe the different average wealth and corporate investment levels and the radically different quality of the school systems etc. in those respective parts of the community to see a clear example the relationship between racially-determined conditions and typical rates of gun violence.

Polly, I think it's interesting to note that a young speaker at that kind of protest is free - as you are free - to point out that a disproportionately large amount of gun-related violence occurs in Black communities, and that it "happens everyday" - as opposed to only a few times a year; but if someone arguing against some of the more radical "gun control" measures vis-à-vis law-abiding citizens were to point out those same facts and statistics, in exactly the same words, they would be instantly labeled "racists".

As for the student's suggestion that it is the color of the victims that makes the media go all 24/7 on a story, I seem to recall a certain church massacre in Charleston that got a bit of coverage a couple of years ago in which none of the victims was White.


On the contrary! Today's left views social oppressions intersectionally.

The gun violence in the inner cities - which dwarfs any "school shootings" problem - is related directly to the drug trade and the gangs that are engaged in it. What "social oppressions" have created the gang and criminality culture that results in about as many violent deaths in a week in some places as died in the Florida school shooting? Where are the nation-wide marches and protests to disarm the gangs?

MMC
03-25-2018, 11:40 AM
What in the fucking hell? How did we get to the Trump-Daniels controversy? And how exactly does the fact the married president (married to a former fashion model, mind you) was apparently unable to restrain himself from cheating with a porn star demonstrate an exercise of male self-restraint anyway? :tongue:


How was it that a female who was in the porn industry was unable to control her impulses knowing she could land a Billionaire, sign a non disclosure agreement and then on an impulse. Just don't believe in that anymore and say forget about that.

Moreover why couldn't she control herself stripping for money? :grin:

Cletus
03-25-2018, 11:40 AM
What certainly appears to have been the largest protest action in American history took place yesterday across the country and even abroad as well (and it's worth noting that this is the second time in as many years that one can say that). In the U.S. alone, some 845 separate demonstrations took place, and organizers estimate that about 800,000 people attended the main march in Washington DC alone, dwarfing the attendance of the president's inaugural address (generally estimated between 160,000 and 400,000, depending on who you believe). There are no formal estimates of the total attendance as yet, but it can be safely assessed to have been in the many millions in the U.S. alone.

Organizers maximized turnout by wisely choosing to include a focus not only on mass shootings, but also on the everyday gun violence that plagues so many of our major cities in this country. For me, the most remarkable speech was that given by the young Yolanda Renee King, granddaughter of Dr. Martin Luther King, who called upon all to envision "a gun-free world", echoing the boldness of her grandfather's dream. Emma Gonzales, perhaps the best-known of the Parkland survivors, offered an emotional six minutes and 20 seconds of silence, corresponding to the amount of time it took for the shooter at her school to murder 17 and wound an additional 15. A sign that resonated strongly with me read "I WOULD DIE FOR MY STUDENTS, BUT I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO", echoing the sentiments frankly, I believe, of most educators in this moment.

If only someone in Washington were listening.

According to DDIS (Digital Design and Imaging Service), a company that calculates crowd size using aerial photographs, the actual peak crowds size was 202,796 + or - 15%.

Nowhere near 800,000.

Much ado about nothing. You could get 200,000 Leftists on buses to DC by waving a bottle of Thunderbird in front of them.

Cletus
03-25-2018, 11:43 AM
Wow, lookit all the hate and derision.

Astonishing to see this from people who proport to believe in freedom and the Constitution.

Sometimes conservatives make me ashamed to be an American.

That's okay.

You make almost everyone ashamed you're an American.

Cletus
03-25-2018, 11:47 AM
Objectively? Obviously not. But behaviorally? Pretty much, yeah. There was a good article (http://www.feministcurrent.com/2018/03/05/will-never-address-gun-violence-dont-address-root-problem-masculinity/) on the relationship between the wildly disproportionate rates of violence in general among males and the social construct that is masculinity (which liberals call "toxic" masculinity, as though there were some other kind) with which boys are raised that was posted recently on Feminist Current that I think is worth reading on this subject. Therein, Morgan Amonett highlights various ways in which boys are raised not to control their impulses to anywhere near the same degree that girls are expected to. I think that's something relevant anyway!

You really hate the fact that you are not a man, don't you?

Chris
03-25-2018, 11:49 AM
What in the fucking hell? How did we get to the Trump-Daniels controversy? And how exactly does the fact the married president (married to a former fashion model, mind you) was apparently unable to restrain himself from cheating with a porn star demonstrate an exercise of male self-restraint anyway? :tongue:



How did we get into a discussion of race, Polly? This protest is driven by the Stoneman Douglas High School shooting. So far as I can gather none of the 17 victims were black and only 2 of the 17 wounded were black. Sometimes you just need to set aside agendas.

IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 11:50 AM
Standing Wolf wrote:
Polly, I think it's interesting to note that a young speaker at that kind of protest is free - as you are free - to point out that a disproportionately large amount of gun-related violence occurs in Black communities, and that it "happens everyday" - as opposed to only a few times a year; but if someone arguing against some of the more radical "gun control" measures vis-à-vis law-abiding citizens were to point out those same facts and statistics, in exactly the same words, they would be instantly labeled "racists".

Do you have a source for this claim or did you just pull it out of your ass, kind of like your claims of men losing their jobs over distasteful jokes and compliments?

What has happened to you lately?

Chris
03-25-2018, 11:53 AM
At the March for Our Lives, Kids Say Their Right to Feel Safe Trumps Your Right to Own a Gun (http://reason.com/blog/2018/03/24/march-for-our-lives-guns-schools-safety)


"Guns are for the police and the government," a 13-year-old girl confidently assured me.

She was one of the hundreds of thousands of people taking part in the March for Our Lives rally in Washington, D.C., on Saturday. She was flanked by two friends—another 13-year-old, and an 11-year-old—who were equally confident that violence in schools was the problem, and banning guns was the answer.

Marissa, a teenage girl from Michigan, told me she felt unsafe in school, and thought more security would help. Teenager after teenager testified that their fears of death were all-consuming, ever-present, and more justified than ever before.

Missing from these conversations was any awareness of a very basic, indisputable fact: Gun violence has declined precipitously over the past 25 years, and most Americans are much safer today than they were a generation ago.

Schools are no exception. They are "increasingly free of mass shootings," according to researchers James Alan Fox and Emma Fridel....

..Obviously, it's understandable for the survivors of the horrific events in Parkland to be feeling unsafe, given what happened to them. But mass shootings are not the norm, and kids don't need to be terrified of going to school.

In any case, most young people I talked to on Saturday possessed both an overriding fear of being in school and a willingness to experiment with enhanced security.

Cletus
03-25-2018, 11:55 AM
202,000 out of a population of 325,000,000.

Take away the ones who were paid to be there and the ones who there just to go for the sake of going, the tourists, the curious... figure about 12 to 16 who actually cared a rat's ass about this stupid protest.

stjames1_53
03-25-2018, 12:03 PM
You do realize that Chicago's South Side was among the 845 places in this country that the March For Our Lives was held for precisely that reason, right?



I actually do own a pair of handguns. I don't know what argument you're trying to make here.

so, you own guns. That's great. then why take my guns away? Have you committed some crime with your gun?
I haven't yet you want me to surrender them until I can be proven fit to own. I know what your agenda is. Only women can own guns.

Max Rockatansky
03-25-2018, 12:20 PM
Do you have a source for this claim or did you just pull it out of your ass, kind of like your claims of men losing their jobs over distasteful jokes and compliments?
What has happened to you lately?An interesting, albeit overly emotional and very defensive, response.

He quoted both your post and MMC's as sources. Didn't you read them? :

On the contrary! Today's left views social oppressions intersectionally. All you have to do is check out the difference in the rate of gun violence in the white versus black neighborhoods of Chicago and observe the different average wealth and corporate investment levels and the radically different quality of the school systems etc. in those respective parts of the community to see a clear example the relationship between racially-determined conditions and typical rates of gun violence. Likewise, all you have to do is notice that 83% of all acts of gun violence, including 98% of all mass shootings, are committed by males to observe a clear intersection between the way boys and men are socialized and the proliferation of gun violence. These issues are interrelated and, as such, there was a desire to speak to all component-parts of the issue of gun violence, not JUST gun control.
Uh huh.....Leftist idealism at that. The best part being failed leftist idealism.



Students Demand 'Revolution' and 'Restorative Justice'


Hundreds of thousands are gathering in Washington, DC and across the globe to advocate stricter gun control, but the student speakers in the nations' capital are making it abundantly clear that the March for Our Lives is a little more complicated than calling for safer schools. In fact, most of the calls for reform today have been tried and failed already.


David Hogg has been the most vocal, or at least the person with the most media attention, of the student organizers of this event. Consistently, he has called for tighter gun control. But, his messaging has taken a turn in recent days to instead focus on perceived racial injustice and white privilege. Ryan Saavedra of The Daily Wire (https://www.dailywire.com/authors/ryan-saavedra) has done excellent job capturing the increasingly leftist talking point spouted by these students.


In a recent interview, Hogg told (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/03/19/david_hogg_we_need_to_use_our_white_privilege_to_m ake_sure_black_gun_victims_are_heard.html) the audience that, "I think one of the greatest obstacles that we've faced though with this movement is the fact that there is a lot of racial disparity in the way that this is covered."


"If this happened in a place of a lower socio-economic status or a place where like a black community, no matter how well those people spoke, I don't think the media would cover it the same and I think it is important that we point that out as Americans we realize that," he added.


Jumping off that point, his classmate Cameron Kasky added, "The spotlight is on us and it's awful and it's a horrible thought that it is that we're an affluent community, that's why initially people followed this so closely. Because this happens everyday other places."


Then at the March for Our Lives rally, Kasky told the crowd, "Welcome to the revolution."


Aside from envisioning a world without the NRA and with much tighter gun control, the details on that revolution seem pretty slim.


It should not be surprising then that students advocating for infringement upon the second amendment rights of millions of Americans are also calling for a world in which discipline is essentially tossed aside. Typically, one should ignore these banal calls for revolution and restorative justice as leftwing rantings of children who have yet to experience adulthood and have not had the opportunity change their perspective and worldview.......snip~


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/03/24/students-call-for-revolution-and-restorative-justice-n2464331



The Students Demand. :smiley_ROFLMAO:

IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 12:21 PM
St. James wrote:
so, you own guns. That's great. then why take my guns away? Have you committed some crime with your gun?

First of all, there's little call out there for gun confiscations. The core demands of the march were for a ban on the future sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and the implementation of universal background checks for gun purchases (including for purchases made a gun shows). Beyond these core demands, opinions varied a lot, but with little opposition to the Second Amendment itself or call for gun confiscations. Worries about such things on the political right are overblown. A lot.

Now personally, being a bit more of a political radical anyway, I'm not really a big fan of guns in general. The fact that I own a pair of them has more to do with being practical under the present social circumstances than it does with a desire for those circumstances to persist. Now Ethereal will sometimes ask me how I can reconcile my support for gun control with my support for certain armed political struggles abroad, both historical and present-day (such as that of the Kurdish anarchists in Syria). The same principle I've just explained applies.

Standing Wolf
03-25-2018, 12:23 PM
Do you have a source for this claim or did you just pull it out of your ass, kind of like your claims of men losing their jobs over distasteful jokes and compliments?

What has happened to you lately?

When have you ever known me to be overly concerned with political correctness, Polly? I don't believe in muting my criticism over silly or illogical behavior because the person(s) doing it identify themselves as "liberals". I propose a simple question: why isn't the "gun control" movement focusing on the criminals who misuse and commit crimes with guns, and why aren't these marches and protests happening in those places where a disproportionate number of gun-related deaths occur? Could it be because criminals don't respond or pay attention to laws, and because those places are not safe places to go?

As for "proof" that who makes a statement often determines whether the statement is accepted as gospel or gets them fired, not only is that a self-evident fact of life, it's something we've seen time and time ago when it comes to race relations. I can recall White sports commentators being punished or even losing their jobs for bringing up the theory about Black athletes benefiting from the "breeding" that occurred during slavery in the U.S., and I have heard it referenced by Black athletes themselves, to be greeted with nodding and general agreement. To suggest that, say, an NRA spokesperson could get away with publicly pointing out that Black inner-city residents kill one another in greatly disproportionate numbers and not be accused of being the worst kind of racist is just silly.

Crepitus
03-25-2018, 12:25 PM
That's okay.

You make almost everyone ashamed you're an American.

And as usual you can't respond intelligently so you insult.

Max Rockatansky
03-25-2018, 12:28 PM
First of all, there's little call out there for gun confiscations. The core demands of the march were for a ban on the future sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazine and the implementation of universal background checks for gun purchases (including for purchases made a gun shows). Beyond these core demands, opinions varied a lot, but with little opposition to the Second Amendment itself or call for gun confiscations. Worries about such things on the political right are overblown. A lot.

Now personally, being a bit more of a political radical anyway, I'm not really a big fan of guns in general. The fact that I own a pair of them has more to do with being practical under the present social circumstances than it does with a desire for those circumstances to persist. Now Ethereal will sometimes ask me how I can reconcile my support for gun control with my support for certain armed political struggles abroad, both historical and present-day (such as that of the Kurdish anarchists in Syria). The same principle I've just explained applies.
Since LW anti-gunners have been so deceitful in the past, any plans to require registration of guns and banning guns is seen as a first step to confiscation of guns.

Cletus
03-25-2018, 12:28 PM
And as usual you can't respond intelligently so you insult.

You just hate the truth.

Max Rockatansky
03-25-2018, 12:32 PM
202,000 out of a population of 325,000,000.
Take away the ones who were paid to be there and the ones who there just to go for the sake of going, the tourists, the curious... figure about 12 to 16 who actually cared a rat's ass about this stupid protest.I suspect very few were actually paid to be there although I do believe some groups may have picked up the hotel and meal tab for volunteers (not the same thing as paid agitators). OTOH, I do agree that there were lots of "Lookie Loos" and the total numbers were relatively small.

IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 12:33 PM
Standing Wolf wrote:
As for "proof" that who makes a statement often determines whether the statement is accepted as gospel or gets them fired, not only is that a self-evident fact of life, it's something we've seen time and time ago when it comes to race relations. I can recall White sports commentators being punished or even losing their jobs for bringing up the theory about Black athletes benefiting from the "breeding" that occurred during slavery in the U.S., and I have heard it referenced by Black athletes themselves, to be greeted with nodding and general agreement. To suggest that, say, an NRA spokesperson could get away with publicly pointing out that Black inner-city residents kill one another in greatly disproportionate numbers and not be accused of being the worst kind of racist is just silly.

So what you're saying is that you don't have one single actual example to cite?

That is becoming increasingly characteristic of your arguments lately, I observe.


When have you ever known me to be overly concerned with political correctness, Polly?

I haven't known you to be concerned with political correctness, but I have known you to be a fact/logic-oriented person, traditionally. But when you start saying stuff that you can't substantiate with increasing regularity seemingly just to be part of the in-crowd on a right wing message board, I have to question your continued dedication to that orientation.

Chris
03-25-2018, 12:34 PM
And as usual you can't respond intelligently so you insult.

That^^ was an intelligent response? Insult to claim insult.

Chris
03-25-2018, 12:36 PM
So what is that you don't have one single actual example to cite?

That is becoming increasingly characteristic of your arguments lately, I observe.



I have known you to be concerned with political correctness, but I have known you to be a fact/logic-oriented person, traditionally. But when you start saying stuff that you can't substantiate with increasing regularity seemingly just to be part of the in-crowd on a right wing message board, I have to question your continued dedication to that orientation.


Why do your arguments so often devolve into shaming people for disagreeing with you?

IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 12:39 PM
Chris wrote:
Why do your arguments so often devolve into shaming people for disagreeing with you?

Standing Wolf was proclaiming unfair bias on my part. Yeah, I'm going to defend myself against such claims, especially when it's really, really easy to do. Is that okay with you?

Chris
03-25-2018, 12:41 PM
Standing Wolf was proclaiming unfair bias on my part. Yeah, I'm going to defend myself against such claims, especially when it's really, really easy to do. Is that okay with you?

Of all the things I posted in this thread you pick that one to address.

MisterVeritis
03-25-2018, 12:42 PM
I'd say they were triggered, but I don't want any of them getting ideas.

And who is offending them so most of all? The grade school survivors of a gun massacre. That's who they're angriest at. Kinda tells you everything you need to know about 21st century conservative politics right there, doesn't it? What happened to those "family values" these same people once hyped up so much?
I did not hear any of them speak of individual liberty nor of limiting the state's powers.

Crepitus
03-25-2018, 12:43 PM
You just hate the truth.
What does that even mean?

MisterVeritis
03-25-2018, 12:43 PM
They're all crisis actors!! :wink::rollseyes:
It does seem that victims, murdered because the state ensured they were not armed, were simply props.

MisterVeritis
03-25-2018, 12:55 PM
First of all, there's little call out there for gun confiscations. The core demands of the march were for a ban on the future sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and the implementation of universal background checks for gun purchases (including for purchases made a gun shows). Beyond these core demands, opinions varied a lot, but with little opposition to the Second Amendment itself or call for gun confiscations. Worries about such things on the political right are overblown. A lot.

One step at a time. I think the Left's goal is citizen disarmament. Everything else is arguing over tactics.

Cletus
03-25-2018, 01:34 PM
What does that even mean?

It means exactly what it says. You react to facts and the truth like a vampire does to garlic and holy water.

Tahuyaman
03-25-2018, 01:53 PM
One step at a time. I think the Left's goal is citizen disarmament. Everything else is arguing over tactics.


Obviously disarming the public is the goal. They just know that there are too many people who have not yet been indoctrinated to completely disregard the US Constitution.

Right now I would be willing to wager that the vast majority of college students in America believe that the US Comstitution is irrelevant and should be eliminated.

nathanbforrest45
03-25-2018, 02:01 PM
Wow, did you think all that crap up on your own? You must have because I Didn't Say Any Of It.


Yeah you did. By accusing us of being against the Constitution a logical conclusion of your remarks leads us to exactly those ideas. You can act all pious if you want but words have meanings and yours means exactly what I said they mean.

nathanbforrest45
03-25-2018, 02:06 PM
Most violent gun deaths are from common criminals. Mass school shootings are from young males on dangerous prescription medication.

Yeah, nobody wants to mention that in every mass school shooting in the last ten years the shooter was on some kind of psychotropic drug.

And Impress Polly, every one of your "points" can be traced back to liberal policies that are feel good but with bad results.

It all comes down to the breakdown of the family, a breakdown that is now rapidly growing in the white community as well.

nathanbforrest45
03-25-2018, 02:10 PM
Oh. :tongue: Didn't realize the actual location of the Chicago event. Well the point is that Chicago's South Side was represented; that the speakers there were dominantly black and speaking about gun violence in the South Side.
But were too afraid of being shot by one of their own to actually hold the rally where the most crime is being committed.

Sweet

nathanbforrest45
03-25-2018, 02:13 PM
How was it that a female who was in the porn industry was unable to control her impulses knowing she could land a Billionaire, sign a non disclosure agreement and then on an impulse. Just don't believe in that anymore and say forget about that.

Moreover why couldn't she control herself stripping for money? :grin:

Stripping was the least of what she did.

nathanbforrest45
03-25-2018, 02:18 PM
First of all, there's little call out there for gun confiscations. The core demands of the march were for a ban on the future sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and the implementation of universal background checks for gun purchases (including for purchases made a gun shows). Beyond these core demands, opinions varied a lot, but with little opposition to the Second Amendment itself or call for gun confiscations. Worries about such things on the political right are overblown. A lot.

Now personally, being a bit more of a political radical anyway, I'm not really a big fan of guns in general. The fact that I own a pair of them has more to do with being practical under the present social circumstances than it does with a desire for those circumstances to persist. Now Ethereal will sometimes ask me how I can reconcile my support for gun control with my support for certain armed political struggles abroad, both historical and present-day (such as that of the Kurdish anarchists in Syria). The same principle I've just explained applies.

The BS is deep with this one. When so called "assault rifles" are banned and that doesn't work then the call will be for semi automatic pistols until that doesn't work and then it will be 6 shot revolvers until the only thing you can own is an air pistol and then that won't work either because with everyone disarmed using machetes will work just as well as a 30 shot semi automatic rifle.

MisterVeritis
03-25-2018, 02:20 PM
Uh huh.....Leftist idealism at that. The best part being failed leftist idealism.
Students Demand 'Revolution' and 'Restorative Justice'

Everything sounds better if one just tacks "Justice" onto the end of it. Remember when the right thing to do was to tack the phrase "in bed" onto everything?

nathanbforrest45
03-25-2018, 02:23 PM
By the way just to set the record straight the school in Florida was not grade school kids. Not that it really matters in the long run.

Crepitus
03-25-2018, 02:39 PM
It means exactly what it says. You react to facts and the truth like a vampire does to garlic and holy water.

You believe in vampires?

Crepitus
03-25-2018, 02:41 PM
Yeah you did. By accusing us of being against the Constitution a logical conclusion of your remarks leads us to exactly those ideas. You can act all pious if you want but words have meanings and yours means exactly what I said they mean.

No, those are things you mean, not me.

You are allowed to have your own opinion pal, but not your own facts.

The Xl
03-25-2018, 02:42 PM
They have every right to protest, as much as I find it silly.

Ethereal
03-25-2018, 02:44 PM
The state is the most violent and dysfunctional institution in human history. Giving it a monopoly on arms is a form of social suicide.

Tahuyaman
03-25-2018, 02:46 PM
Wow, lookit all the hate and derision.

Astonishing to see this from people who proport to believe in freedom and the Constitution.

Sometimes conservatives make me ashamed to be an American.


This comment has no relationship to any of the comments he's taking aim at. Generally, this guy just throws out things he dreams up which have nothing to do with any of the comments he's responding to.

Tahuyaman
03-25-2018, 02:48 PM
They have every right to protest, as much as I find it silly.

Of course they do, but it would help if they knew when they were being manipulated by adults pushing an agenda.

Ethereal
03-25-2018, 02:50 PM
On the contrary! Today's left views social oppressions intersectionally. All you have to do is check out the difference in the rate of gun violence in the white versus black neighborhoods of Chicago and observe the different average wealth and corporate investment levels and the radically different quality of the school systems etc. in those respective parts of the community to see a clear example the relationship between racially-determined conditions and typical rates of gun violence. Likewise, all you have to do is notice that 83% of all acts of gun violence, including 98% of all mass shootings, are committed by males to observe a clear intersection between the way boys and men are socialized and the proliferation of gun violence. These issues are interrelated and, as such, there was a desire to speak to all component-parts of the issue of gun violence, not JUST gun control.

And who has been in complete control of Chicago's political system for decades? Oh, that's right... "progressive" and "liberal" Democrats.

It's almost as if their policies promote violent criminality, educational failure, and poverty.

The Xl
03-25-2018, 02:50 PM
The state is the most violent and dysfunctional institution in human history. Giving it a monopoly on arms is a form of social suicide.

Once the second Amendment goes, the first is toast.

stjames1_53
03-25-2018, 02:54 PM
Once the second Amendment goes, the first is toast.

I've said it before.
the 2nd A supports the 1st A and covers the rest.

Cletus
03-25-2018, 02:57 PM
You believe in vampires?

About as much as I believe you about anything.

Ethereal
03-25-2018, 03:05 PM
First of all, there's little call out there for gun confiscations.

Yet that's exactly what Democrats do whenever they assume political control over a given polity. In virtually every city they control, they effectively ban all guns.


The core demands of the march were for a ban on the future sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines and the implementation of universal background checks for gun purchases (including for purchases made a gun shows).

No effing way.


Beyond these core demands, opinions varied a lot, but with little opposition to the Second Amendment itself or call for gun confiscations. Worries about such things on the political right are overblown. A lot.

Now personally, being a bit more of a political radical anyway, I'm not really a big fan of guns in general. The fact that I own a pair of them has more to do with being practical under the present social circumstances than it does with a desire for those circumstances to persist. Now Ethereal will sometimes ask me how I can reconcile my support for gun control with my support for certain armed political struggles abroad, both historical and present-day (such as that of the Kurdish anarchists in Syria). The same principle I've just explained applies.

The political conditions that necessitate armament for the Kurds exist everywhere and at all times. Put another way, the forces of oppression and exploitation never sleep. The only hope for humanity is that they be kept in check, and the only effective means of accomplishing that objective is a well-armed population. The threat we face from isolated incidents of lunatic violence is nothing compared to the threat we face from systematic violence perpetrated by institutions.

stjames1_53
03-25-2018, 03:10 PM
Post of the Day


Yet that's exactly what Democrats do whenever they assume political control over a given polity. In virtually every city they control, they effectively ban all guns.



No effing way.



The political conditions that necessitate armament for the Kurds exist everywhere and at all times. Put another way, the forces of oppression and exploitation never sleep. The only hope for humanity is that they be kept in check, and the only effective means of accomplishing that objective is a well-armed population. The threat we face from isolated incidents of lunatic violence is nothing compared to the threat we face from systematic violence perpetrated by institutions.

Read carefully and digest slowly

Ethereal
03-25-2018, 03:13 PM
Once the second Amendment goes, the first is toast.

Even if they succeeded in repealing the second amendment somehow, that would not translate into Americans obeying gun control. Instead, it would create a giant black market for firearms, just like the giant black market for illegal drugs. It would turn millions of Americans into outlaws. And just like drug prohibition, most of the people would ignore it and do whatever they wanted. And just like drug prohibition, the vast majority of people would get away with breaking the law. The only thing it would accomplish would be to explode the already massive prison population and grow the already bloated police state. And just like with drug prohibition, the enforcement of these laws would fall disproportionately on poor people, racial minorities, and other socially marginalized groups.

jimmyz
03-25-2018, 03:21 PM
I'm good with the kids protesting. They should voice their opinion.

I disagree with their point. They offer no solution, like their older liberals. It's all emotion.
^^^ Well said.

jimmyz
03-25-2018, 03:29 PM
Do you have a source for this claim or did you just pull it out of your ass, kind of like your claims of men losing their jobs over distasteful jokes and compliments?

What has happened to you lately?

Moved more center right.

Mister D
03-25-2018, 03:34 PM
And who has been in complete control of Chicago's political system for decades? Oh, that's right... "progressive" and "liberal" Democrats.

It's almost as if their policies promote violent criminality, educational failure, and poverty.
If "today's left" is correct about black gun violence one does have to wonder why the homicide rate was lower in the 1950s and early to mid 1960s when poverty, racism and poor schools were much more significant problems. It can't be that guns were unavailable. They were all over the place just like they are today. The homicide rate more than doubled between 1962 and 1980. What gives?

jimmyz
03-25-2018, 03:34 PM
And as usual you can't respond intelligently so you insult.

You have to admit that he got you with a very good funny Crep.

Ethereal
03-25-2018, 03:53 PM
If "today's left" is correct about black gun violence one does have to wonder why the homicide rate was lower in the 1950s and early to mid 1960s when poverty, racism and poor schools were much more significant problems. It can't be that guns were unavailable. They were all over the place just like they are today. The homicide rate more than doubled between 1962 and 1980. What gives?
Atomized social structure. It was the big gap in my understanding of social phenomena. The individual has to be viewed in the context of their social environment, otherwise nothing about them can be properly understood. Slowly but surely, the black urban family and community has been supplanted by the state, causing social dysfunction in the process.

Max Rockatansky
03-25-2018, 04:11 PM
Atomized social structure. It was the big gap in my understanding of social phenomena. The individual has to be viewed in the context of their social environment, otherwise nothing about them can be properly understood. Slowly but surely, the black urban family and community has been supplanted by the state, causing social dysfunction in the process.
Agreed. Now why can't you understand the same about the United States government?

Mister D
03-25-2018, 04:40 PM
Atomized social structure. It was the big gap in my understanding of social phenomena. The individual has to be viewed in the context of their social environment, otherwise nothing about them can be properly understood. Slowly but surely, the black urban family and community has been supplanted by the state, causing social dysfunction in the process.

That's certainly true.

I'm not completely sold on this conservative explanation of urban degeneracy but it is far more likely to contain some truth than the theory of racism and poverty.

Chris
03-25-2018, 04:56 PM
If "today's left" is correct about black gun violence one does have to wonder why the homicide rate was lower in the 1950s and early to mid 1960s when poverty, racism and poor schools were much more significant problems. It can't be that guns were unavailable. They were all over the place just like they are today. The homicide rate more than doubled between 1962 and 1980. What gives?


Atomized social structure. It was the big gap in my understanding of social phenomena. The individual has to be viewed in the context of their social environment, otherwise nothing about them can be properly understood. Slowly but surely, the black urban family and community has been supplanted by the state, causing social dysfunction in the process.


Walter Williams would agree:


The No. 1 problem among blacks is the effects stemming from a very weak family structure.

Children from fatherless homes are likelier to drop out of high school, die by suicide, have behavioral disorders, join gangs, commit crimes, and end up in prison. They are also likelier to live in poverty-stricken households.

But is the weak black family a legacy of slavery?

In 1960, just 22 percent of black children were raised in single-parent families. Fifty years later, more than 70 percent of black children were raised in single-parent families.

Here’s my question: Was the increase in single-parent black families after 1960 a legacy of slavery, or might it be a legacy of the welfare state ushered in by the War on Poverty?

According to the 1938 Encyclopaedia of the Social Sciences, that year 11 percent of black children were born to unwed mothers. Today about 75 percent of black children are born to unwed mothers.

Is that supposed to be a delayed response to the legacy of slavery?

The bottom line is that the black family was stronger the first 100 years after slavery than during what will be the second 100 years.

...The undeniable truth is that neither slavery nor Jim Crow nor the harshest racism has decimated the black family the way the welfare state has.

@ The Black Family Is Struggling, and It’s Not Because of Slavery (https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/09/20/black-family-struggling-not-slavery)

Crepitus
03-25-2018, 04:57 PM
This comment has no relationship to any of the comments he's taking aim at. Generally, this guy just throws out things he dreams up which have nothing to do with any of the comments he's responding to.

When did you start doing the third person thing? Who do you think you are, Bob Dole? Because Bob Dole doesn't think so.

Crepitus
03-25-2018, 04:58 PM
About as much as I believe you about anything.

So, you do then. Cool I guess.

Mister D
03-25-2018, 05:00 PM
Walter Williams would agree:



@ The Black Family Is Struggling, and It’s Not Because of Slavery (https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/09/20/black-family-struggling-not-slavery)

I've encountered a few progressives who tried to fall back on the idea that the weak black family structure is a legacy of slavery. Historical data simply does not support it. Another progressive claim that bites the dust upon examination.

Chris
03-25-2018, 05:16 PM
I've encountered a few progressives who tried to fall back on the idea that the weak black family structure is a legacy of slavery. Historical data simply does not support it. Another progressive claim that bites the dust upon examination.

Thomas Sowell, in A Legacy of Liberalism (https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/11/14/a-legacy-of-liberalism), says much the same as Williams, looking at poverty and murder rates, he says


If we wanted to be serious about evidence, we might compare where blacks stood a hundred years after the end of slavery with where they stood after 30 years of the liberal welfare state. In other words, we could compare hard evidence on "the legacy of slavery" with hard evidence on the legacy of liberals.

...If we are to go by evidence of social retrogression, liberals have wreaked more havoc on blacks than the supposed "legacy of slavery" they talk about. Liberals should heed the title of Jason Riley's insightful new book, "Please Stop Helping Us."

Chris
03-25-2018, 05:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhYJS80MgYA

Mister D
03-25-2018, 05:25 PM
Thomas Sowell, in A Legacy of Liberalism (https://www.creators.com/read/thomas-sowell/11/14/a-legacy-of-liberalism), says much the same as Williams, looking at poverty and murder rates, he says
I was looking at the historical data earlier. It's hard to ignore the fact that the homicide rate rose in tandem with progressive reform.

Max Rockatansky
03-25-2018, 05:27 PM
Walter Williams would agree:

@ The Black Family Is Struggling, and It’s Not Because of Slavery (https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/09/20/black-family-struggling-not-slavery)He makes a lot of great points:
"The most damage done to black Americans is inflicted by those politicians, civil rights leaders, and academics who assert that every problem confronting blacks is a result of a legacy of slavery and discrimination. That’s a vision that guarantees perpetuity for the problems."

Chris
03-25-2018, 05:37 PM
I was looking at the historical data earlier. It's hard to ignore the fact that the homicide rate rose in tandem with progressive reform.

Liberalisms success is its failure.

Chris
03-25-2018, 05:38 PM
How'd a teenage march against guns turn into a discussion of race?

Mister D
03-25-2018, 05:39 PM
How'd a teenage march against guns turn into a discussion of race?
I have no idea. It had already been mentioned when I joined in.

Tahuyaman
03-25-2018, 05:41 PM
When did you start doing the third person thing? Who do you think you are, Bob Dole? Because Bob Dole doesn't think so.


When someone says "I disagree". You consider that hateful.

Bob Dole? WTF?

Tahuyaman
03-25-2018, 05:42 PM
How'd a teenage march against guns turn into a discussion of race?
Where's Safety?

Mister D
03-25-2018, 05:44 PM
On the contrary! Today's left views social oppressions intersectionally. All you have to do is check out the difference in the rate of gun violence in the white versus black neighborhoods of Chicago and observe the different average wealth and corporate investment levels and the radically different quality of the school systems etc. in those respective parts of the community to see a clear example the relationship between racially-determined conditions and typical rates of gun violence. Likewise, all you have to do is notice that 83% of all acts of gun violence, including 98% of all mass shootings, are committed by males to observe a clear intersection between the way boys and men are socialized and the proliferation of gun violence. These issues are interrelated and, as such, there was a desire to speak to all component-parts of the issue of gun violence, not JUST gun control.
Polly, I know this jumbled mess sounds learned to you but this is precisely why you never get anywhere. Your "movements" are positively incoherent. If race looms large in the matter of gun control it's only because we would have levels of gun violence comparable to Western Europe were it not for the black contribution.

Tahuyaman
03-25-2018, 05:44 PM
Come to think about it. Some have said this school shooting is an issue only because the student body is predominantly white.

IMPress Polly
03-25-2018, 05:45 PM
I saw another sign from yesterday's march online that caught my eye: "The only thing easier to buy in the USA than a gun is a Republican." Ain't THAT the truth?!

Chris
03-25-2018, 05:45 PM
How'd a teenage march against guns turn into a discussion of race?

http://thepoliticalforums.com/threads/95965-The-March-For-Our-Lives?p=2317800&viewfull=1#post2317800

Mister D
03-25-2018, 05:46 PM
Come to think about it. Some have said this school shooting is an issue only because the student body is predominantly white.
Good point. Not sure about the school's demographics but it's kind of hard not to notice how the murder of white children brings them out in droves.

Chris
03-25-2018, 05:48 PM
Come to think about it. Some have said this school shooting is an issue only because the student body is predominantly white.

Did a bit of research earlier when the "intersectionality" race card was played and none of the 17 victims were black, 2 of the 17 wounder were.

Max Rockatansky
03-25-2018, 05:52 PM
I saw another sign from yesterday's march online that caught my eye: "The only thing easier to buy in the USA than a gun is a Republican." Ain't THAT the truth?!

Add "Or a Democrat" and it would be more honest.

stjames1_53
03-25-2018, 05:52 PM
I saw another sign from yesterday's march online that caught my eye: "The only thing easier to buy in the USA than a gun is a Republican." Ain't THAT the truth?!

really, how droll....I wonder how much it cost us to elect an half white activist that stole 10% of the private economy. What was his price?
How much was Hillary worth?

Cletus
03-25-2018, 06:19 PM
I saw another sign from yesterday's march online that caught my eye: "The only thing easier to buy in the USA than a gun is a Republican." Ain't THAT the truth?!


Not even close.

MisterVeritis
03-25-2018, 06:54 PM
That's certainly true.

I'm not completely sold on this conservative explanation of urban degeneracy but it is far more likely to contain some truth than the theory of racism and poverty.
Do you disagree that the rise of our urban problem parallels the government replacing an at-home black father with a welfare check?

Mister D
03-25-2018, 07:01 PM
Do you disagree that the rise of our urban problem parallels the government replacing an at-home black father with a welfare check?
There is certainly a correlation between the implementation of progressive social policies and soaring rates of illegitimacy and homicide.

Ethereal
03-25-2018, 07:23 PM
I saw another sign from yesterday's march online that caught my eye: "The only thing easier to buy in the USA than a gun is a Republican." Ain't THAT the truth?!


It really isn't though. Only the rich can afford to buy off politicians, whereas even the poor can afford a firearm.

Tahuyaman
03-25-2018, 07:35 PM
Does any left wing loon want to make a wager with me about my contension that the majority of today's college students believe that the US Constitution is now outdated and irrelevant?

Peter1469
03-25-2018, 07:39 PM
Does any left wing loon want to make a wager with me about my contension that the majority of today's college students believe that the US Constitution is now outdated and irrelevant?

I think you are correct.

Tahuyaman
03-25-2018, 08:43 PM
I think you are correct.I know I'm correct. I don't make a bet I know I can't win.

MisterVeritis
03-25-2018, 08:47 PM
I wonder how many pregnancies resulted from this goofy "march" movement?

Millions and millions of dollars were spent. Where did all of that money come from?

stjames1_53
03-26-2018, 03:11 AM
I wonder how many pregnancies resulted from this goofy "march" movement?

Millions and millions of dollars were spent. Where did all of that money come from?
Soros

MMC
03-26-2018, 06:24 AM
I saw another sign from yesterday's march online that caught my eye: "The only thing easier to buy in the USA than a gun is a Republican." Ain't THAT the truth?!



No, its no where close to being the truth. I didn't see blacks, minorities, and women paying off Republicans to get them the Right to vote.

Can you explain why those Democrats were against that?

MMC
03-26-2018, 09:25 AM
Surprise, Surprise: March For Our Lives Once Again Shows Why The Left Can’t Be Trusted On Gun Control.....


There are areas where gun control activists and the pro-Second Amendment camp can meet. There are gun violence protective orders; keeping guns out of the hands of criminals, domestic abusers, and the mentally ill. But we’ll never get there. It’s all a trap. Even bills that strengthen the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) are a dangerous game because if you give the Left an inch, they’ll take a mile. They admitted it yesterday. Deleney Tarr, a Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School student, gave an impassioned speech about how they’re going to do exactly that concerning gun control legislation, which is why Republicans, conservatives, pro-Second Amendment supporters, an any American who supports the Bill of Rights and the Constitution needs to start packing more sandbags and make sure our base turns out in 2018. The Huffington Post had a transcript (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/delaney-tarr-march-for-our-lives_us_5ab678d8e4b0decad04a5df7) of her speech from yesterday’s March To Take Away Our Rights…I mean—March For Our Lives rally [emphasis mine]


First of all, let’s drop the myth that America is a shooting gallery. It’s not, especially in our schools, which are safer than ever. (https://news.northeastern.edu/2018/02/schools-are-still-one-of-the-safest-places-for-children-researcher-says/) School shootings are still rare. Mass shootings are rare. Second, Fix NICS (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/379537-spending-bill-to-strengthen-background-checks-for-gun-purchases) was part of the omnibus bill that was signed into law by President Donald Trump on Friday, so background checks have taken a step forward in being tightened. The NRA and the National Shooting Sports Foundation supported Fix NICS.


So, what if the anti-gun mob has their way and gets magazine limits, a new ban on so-called assault weapons, and universal background checks. They want to take a mile, many more miles, if we give them an inch. It’s a gun ban. It’s gun confiscation. It’s the abolition of the Second Amendment. And this is not just something that was a byproduct of the tragic shooting in Parkland, Florida. This has been on the progressive agenda for years. They’re just using aggrieved teenagers to push it because emotions are valued more than facts in this battle—and the Left has all the feelings in the fight to strip Americans of their rights.


That’s where we’re heading if these people win. We cannot let that happen, which is why I’m worried about 2018. House Democrats already have a bill that virtually bans firearms (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/02/27/house-introduces-gun-ban-legislation-n2454670) in this country, with 82 percent (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/03/02/oh-look-another-reason-why-we-should-be-skeptical-with-democrats-on-gun-control-n2456479)supporting the ban on all semiautomatic firearms, which includes handguns. This is where their base is on the issue of gun control.


The conservative movement needs to unite and defeat this upswell. This is not just a fight over the Second Amendment. It’s for the Bill of Rights. It’s for the heart and soul of the country that is being put in the crosshairs. This isn’t just some other fight; it’s a deeply entrenched and highly intense cultural one. Things could get messy. It’ll start with these action items. The universal background check system the Left wants would have to be a national registry to track private transfers, which are mostly family inheritances, like a father passing down his guns to his son or daughter, which is common. This will be the blueprint from which mass gun confiscation could occur. If it does—let’s just entertain this for a second—then, we’ll see police going door-to-door to grab these firearms from law-abiding citizens. I’m sure the Left would have zero problems with this, though they become incensed when federal agents round up illegal aliens; illegals over citizens, sounds like where the progressive Left is today, huh?


We know what the end game is with these people. After they’re done with the Second Amendment, the great progressive campaign to shred the Constitution of its institutional mechanisms that prevent mob rule through transient majorities will begin. And that’s when we cease, in my eyes, to be a country. This is merely the first round of a long battle. This is what’s at stake. The long war with the Left never ended. It was just an extended halftime. Just remember they can’t be trusted. .....snip~


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/03/25/surprise-surprise-march-for-our-lives-once-again-shows-why-the-left-cant-be-trusted-on-gun-control-n2464461


That is what all have to remember when it comes to the left.

MMC
03-26-2018, 09:32 AM
Watch: Anti-Gun Liberals Devolve Into A Cacophony Of Nonsense As They Can't Explain What An Assault Rifle Is.....


Oh, this is just too good—and it shows why we can’t sit down and talk with these people. Turning Points USA’s Charlie Kirk suited up and went into the belly of the beast (https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/977700882807746560) to ask those participating in the March to Take Away Our Rights, I mean, the March To Save Our Lives, by asking anti-gunners what an assault rifle is, which devolved into a shouting match since they couldn’t define it. One woman asked if Kirk was stupid or failed to read the papers, which is hilarious since the news media, at least in Florida, has written about how the government abjectly failed (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/02/23/serial-failure-heres-how-government-totally-dropped-the-ball-in-stopping-florid-n2453448) to enforce the laws that could have prevented the Marjory Stoneman Douglas shooting on February 14. It’s not a question about lax gun laws, but back to this amazing video.


She replies it’s a military grade weapon, which is not an answer. Kirk aptly noted that the military also uses handguns, like the Beretta 92 FS 9mm, so does that deserved to be classified as military grade? The woman flies into a rage, asking Kirk if his ears are working since she’s not talking about pistols, but AK-47s.


Some guy shouts they’re taking about “f**king muskets,” which actually is true. Muskets were considered “military-grade” at the time, though it still doesn’t offer a valid argument (http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/21/10-common-arguments-gun-control-debunked/) for left-wingers who want to shred the Second Amendment:


Kirk asks the question again, and no one can answer. The woman leaves, while another man replies it’s an AR-15, though he doesn’t know what “AR” stands for; it does not, as some progressives think, stand for “assault rifle.”



When Kirk asks what does “AR” stand for (it’s ArmaLite, by the way), the man shouts, “I don’t give a s**t what it stands for…it’s a deadly weapon.” Kirk then is able to get the man to say that pistols and knives should be banned.


“We should get rid of you, and Trump, and every one of you clowns,” he added. Someone then holds up a sign that says, “Trump is an unstable penis.”


Nice work, Mr. Kirk. It just shows you that if you give them enough rope, some the Left will hang themselves. That cannot be always our lifeline.....snip~

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/03/25/watch-antigun-liberals-devolve-into-a-cacophony-of-nonsense-as-they-cant-explain-what-an-assault-rifle-is-n2464464



Note.....this is how the leftness acts. Come out with the straight up disrespect. That's is why we will end up going to a Civil War started by their lameasses. Then mopes like the disrespectful one will be put in their proper place. Laying on the ground in a pool of their blood.

Then their disrespect will stop, forever!

stjames1_53
03-26-2018, 09:39 AM
I wonder what 18 year olds were doing in the fall of '44............let's see............um err .......yeah, dying for those students' Rights on the shore of Normandy........fighting a guy who was using guns or anything else to reduce the world's population by 6.5 million people, give or take a few.
Somebody needs to hand these kids a bucket of rocks and sent them off to war.
the Brits sure could have used these stone throwers on our side during the Rev War. We'd be kneeling in front of some ol' hag's hems.

Ravens Fan
03-26-2018, 12:19 PM
That's okay.

You make almost everyone ashamed you're an American.

@Cletus TB'ed for insults/going personal.

gamewell45
03-26-2018, 12:44 PM
Kids, whatcha gonna do, eh?
They'll be running the country some day so we'd better get used to them protesting and spouting out their ideals. Just like the world had to get used to the hippies running the country during our era; I can remember my parents complaining that the world would be coming to an end once the hippies of our generation took charge and for some strange reason, we've survived the hippie & yippie movement in this country of ours.

23140

stjames1_53
03-26-2018, 03:49 PM
They'll be running the country some day so we'd better get used to them protesting and spouting out their ideals. Just like the world had to get used to the hippies running the country during our era; I can remember my parents complaining that the world would be coming to an end once the hippies of our generation took charge and for some strange reason, we've survived the hippie & yippie movement in this country of ours.

23140

no, sir, Hillary is still alive

MMC
03-26-2018, 04:08 PM
They'll be running the country some day so we'd better get used to them protesting and spouting out their ideals. Just like the world had to get used to the hippies running the country during our era; I can remember my parents complaining that the world would be coming to an end once the hippies of our generation took charge and for some strange reason, we've survived the hippie & yippie movement in this country of ours.

23140

Meh.....most of them will end up being victims and won't amount to much of anything.

Max Rockatansky
03-26-2018, 05:17 PM
Meh.....most of them will end up being victims and won't amount to much of anything.
Unfortunately agreed here....and let's not forget this is a predominantly "white" HS.

gamewell45
03-26-2018, 05:28 PM
no, sir, Hillary is still alive

She's no hippie; she's freeze dried! :)

MMC
03-26-2018, 05:30 PM
Unfortunately agreed here....and let's not forget this is a predominantly "white" HS.

Yeah, wait until they figure out how the Demos went racist against whites.

Max Rockatansky
03-26-2018, 05:32 PM
She's no hippie; she's freeze dried! :)
I heard she was pickled. :D

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-P3XSHRjePBA/Wqc9NHffPqI/AAAAAAAAWKo/-pP8it0vJW4WTOy3AjkbBm8XjBojrGJfgCJoC/w320-h180/Hillary_Clinton_nearly_falls_down_stairs_in_India_ twice.gif

MMC
03-26-2018, 05:33 PM
She's no hippie; she's freeze dried! :)

Oh so freezer burnt. :laugh: