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Cigar
12-20-2012, 09:48 AM
FEAR SELLS - Shooting is Business, and Business is Good

An 11-year old boy in Utah brought a .22 pistol to school with him on Tuesday. His parents apparently gave it to him "for protection" in the aftermath of the Newtown massacre. His teacher found out he had it after he put the gun to the head of a classmate at recess and threatened to kill her.

(ladies and gentlemen, there people who actually want guns in school ... WTF)

Only two weeks ago, on December 4th, 11 people were shot in one night in Chicago, but that news barely jiggled the wires, because at the time everyone was encompassing the murder-suicide perpetrated by NFL player Jovan Belcher, who shot his girlfriend to death in front of her mother before killing himself in front of his coaches in a parking lot. At the time, everyone said it was terrible, something that really makes you think, and Bob Costas went so far as to lament the deadly nature of America's gun culture during the national broadcast of a football game. He was roundly attacked for speaking out of turn, for "not having all the facts," and for generally intruding upon everyone's enjoyment of the game.

Between 2003 and 2010, 247,131 Americans died of gunshot wounds. Since 1982, there have been more than 60 mass shootings in America. In almost every case, the weapons used were obtained legally. The number of households with guns has been declining, with a few upticks here and there, since 1990, and yet gun sales went through the roof in the aftermath of the Newtown massacre, which means more people aren't buying guns, but the people who buy guns are buying more of them.

The gun business in America is booming, despite the decline in households that own guns. As the Washington Post glibly noted this week, "The U.S. gun industry has been one of the brightest spots in the U.S. economy in recent years, even through the recent downturn. This year, it racked up $11.7 billion in sales and $992 million in profits, according to the research firm IBISWorld." Almost 17 million people applied for a background check to purchase a gun in 2012. More than 156 million people have applied since 1998.

Facts (http://truth-out.org/news/item/13423-seven-of-the-most-striking-ways-states-have-loosened-gun-laws): Colorado, Oregon and Wisconsin allow guns on college campuses. Mississippi likewise allows guns on college campuses, as well as in secondary schools, polling places, churches, passenger terminals at airports, and bars. Tennessee, Arizona, Georgia, Virginia and Ohio also allow guns in bars. You can shoot a gun in Missouri when you're drunk, and as long as it's considered to be in "self-defense," you're within your rights. In Vermont, you can sell a pistol to a 16-year old kid. Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, South Dakota, Utah, Arizona, Tennessee and Alaska have all passed laws saying that guns made in-state are not subject to federal regulations. The Florida "Stand Your Ground" law has gotten a lot of attention after the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, but 24 other states besides Florida have enacted similar laws.


A violent felon in Minnesota can regain their gun ownership rights if they successfully petition the court about having "good cause." In Ohio, a violent felon can retain their gun rights if they prove to a court that they have led a "law-abiding life." You can get your guns back in Georgia and Nebraska even if you've committed manslaughter and armed robbery, and in Montana, your guns will be returned to you if you didn't use a gun when you committed your crime. That seems to fly in the face of the old saw that says, "If you make guns criminal, only criminals will have guns."


Then again, all the worst bloodbaths of the last several years - including this most recent massacre in Newtown - were perpetrated by people who were not outlaws...until they pulled the trigger and laid their victims low. That 11-year old boy in Utah was not an outlaw until his parents put that pistol in his hands and sent him to school. He didn't make it to the end of recess.

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/13441-shooting-is-business-and-business-is-good

Chris
12-20-2012, 10:21 AM
There is no economic evidence stimuli work. Stimuli create inflation and inflation in the form of rising prices and this acts as a tax hitting the poor the hardest.

But I doubt you seek a serious discussion about your false claim.

Cigar
12-20-2012, 10:26 AM
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/905300/thumbs/r-GUN-INDUSTRY-AMERICA-large570.jpg?6

The gun business in the United States is thriving and the tragic events on Friday (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/sandy-hook-elementary-school-shooting_n_2300831.html) in Newtown, Conn. may likely do little to quell Americans' spending on munitions.


The Federal Bureau of Investigation recorded more than 16.8 million background checks for gun purchases in 2012 (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/20121203_1998_2012_monthly_yearly_totals.pdf), the highest number since the FBI began publishing the data (http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/20121203_1998_2012_state_monthly_totals.pdf) in 1998. A record number of requests for background checks for gun buyers went through on Black Friday (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/28/black-friday-gun-sales_n_2203957.html) in November, the FBI reported at the time, in part because of fears that President Barack Obama and other lawmakers would tighten gun control laws.


The FBI does not track actual firearms purchases, and the number of weapons sold could be even higher (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/11/26/black-friday-gun-sales/1727409/) than the number of background-check calls because customers can purchase multiple guns, USA Today reports.


If the past is any indication, Friday's mass shooting will do little to slow the pace of sales. It’s not uncommon for gun sales to see a boost following a mass shooting (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2012/0725/Why-gun-sales-spike-after-mass-shootings-It-s-not-what-you-might-think), as buyers head to stores mostly motivated by self-defense, according to the Christian Science Monitor. In the first four days following the July mass shooting in Aurora, Colo., gun sales increased 41 percent (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/2012/0725/Why-gun-sales-spike-after-mass-shootings-It-s-not-what-you-might-think), the CSM reported.


On Friday some pro-gun groups took to Twitter urging people to buy guns: Conservative pundit Ann Coulter tweeted (http://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/279694604633272320) "more guns, less mass shootings" in the wake of the event.


Gun control proponents outraged by Friday's events called for action. New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg urged Obama to take "immediate action" (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/michael-bloomberg-gun-control-school-shooting_n_2303499.html?1355523682) to tighten gun laws.


Though the industry is doing well, overall gun ownership is actually on the decline (http://themonkeycage.org/blog/2012/07/21/the-declining-culture-of-guns-and-violence-in-the-united-states/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+themonkeycagefeed+%28The+Monkey +Cage%29), according to political scientist Patrick Egan. Firearm ownership is at near all-time lows.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/14/gun-sales-2012_n_2303513.html

Mainecoons
12-20-2012, 10:28 AM
Just like the last one except that now 7 million more people have stopped looking for work and the real unemployment rate is north of 14 percent.

But hey, the taxpayers only lost half of their "investment" in GM that was done for the sole purpose of keeping the UAW in business.

Cigar
12-20-2012, 10:36 AM
Just like the last one except that now 7 million more people have stopped looking for work and the real unemployment rate is north of 14 percent.

But hey, the taxpayers only lost half of their "investment" in GM that was done for the sole purpose of keeping the UAW in business.



Looks like the Community Organizer Bitch Slapped The Billionaire Boys Club, took their Lunch Money and sent them home with a wedgie to Mama

http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/193/d/c/Wedgie_Test_by_Animekid0839.jpg

Chris
12-20-2012, 11:26 AM
Though the industry is doing well, overall gun ownership is actually on the decline, according to political scientist Patrick Egan. Firearm ownership is at near all-time lows.

All data I've seen says the opposite. Here's some:

http://i.snag.gy/KBq8F.jpg

On the rise.

hanger4
12-20-2012, 12:17 PM
FEAR SELLS - Shooting is Business, and Business is Good

An 11-year old boy in Utah brought a .22 pistol to school with him on Tuesday. His parents apparently gave it to him "for protection" in the aftermath of the Newtown massacre. His teacher found out he had it after he put the gun to the head of a classmate at recess and threatened to kill her.

(ladies and gentlemen, there people who actually want guns in school ... WTF)

Only two weeks ago, on December 4th, 11 people were shot in one night in Chicago, but that news barely jiggled the wires, because at the time everyone was encompassing the murder-suicide perpetrated by NFL player Jovan Belcher, who shot his girlfriend to death in front of her mother before killing himself in front of his coaches in a parking lot. At the time, everyone said it was terrible, something that really makes you think, and Bob Costas went so far as to lament the deadly nature of America's gun culture during the national broadcast of a football game. He was roundly attacked for speaking out of turn, for "not having all the facts," and for generally intruding upon everyone's enjoyment of the game.

Between 2003 and 2010, 247,131 Americans died of gunshot wounds. Since 1982, there have been more than 60 mass shootings in America. In almost every case, the weapons used were obtained legally. The number of households with guns has been declining, with a few upticks here and there, since 1990, and yet gun sales went through the roof in the aftermath of the Newtown massacre, which means more people aren't buying guns, but the people who buy guns are buying more of them.

The gun business in America is booming, despite the decline in households that own guns. As the Washington Post glibly noted this week, "The U.S. gun industry has been one of the brightest spots in the U.S. economy in recent years, even through the recent downturn. This year, it racked up $11.7 billion in sales and $992 million in profits, according to the research firm IBISWorld." Almost 17 million people applied for a background check to purchase a gun in 2012. More than 156 million people have applied since 1998.

Facts (http://truth-out.org/news/item/13423-seven-of-the-most-striking-ways-states-have-loosened-gun-laws): Colorado, Oregon and Wisconsin allow guns on college campuses. Mississippi likewise allows guns on college campuses, as well as in secondary schools, polling places, churches, passenger terminals at airports, and bars. Tennessee, Arizona, Georgia, Virginia and Ohio also allow guns in bars. You can shoot a gun in Missouri when you're drunk, and as long as it's considered to be in "self-defense," you're within your rights. In Vermont, you can sell a pistol to a 16-year old kid. Montana, Idaho, Wyoming, South Dakota, Utah, Arizona, Tennessee and Alaska have all passed laws saying that guns made in-state are not subject to federal regulations. The Florida "Stand Your Ground" law has gotten a lot of attention after the shooting death of Trayvon Martin, but 24 other states besides Florida have enacted similar laws.


A violent felon in Minnesota can regain their gun ownership rights if they successfully petition the court about having "good cause." In Ohio, a violent felon can retain their gun rights if they prove to a court that they have led a "law-abiding life." You can get your guns back in Georgia and Nebraska even if you've committed manslaughter and armed robbery, and in Montana, your guns will be returned to you if you didn't use a gun when you committed your crime. That seems to fly in the face of the old saw that says, "If you make guns criminal, only criminals will have guns."


Then again, all the worst bloodbaths of the last several years - including this most recent massacre in Newtown - were perpetrated by people who were not outlaws...until they pulled the trigger and laid their victims low. That 11-year old boy in Utah was not an outlaw until his parents put that pistol in his hands and sent him to school. He didn't make it to the end of recess.

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/13441-shooting-is-business-and-business-is-good

Kind a funny actually, Cigar is giving Obama credit for the up tick in gun and ammunition sales

yet blames the same sales on the fear-mongering by the gun lobby and those evil gun totting republicans.

:grin: :grin: :grin:

Cigar
12-20-2012, 12:19 PM
Kind a funny actually, Cigar is giving Obama credit for the up tick in gun and ammunition sales

yet blames the same sales on the fear-mongering by the gun lobby and those evil gun totting republicans.

:grin: :grin: :grin:


No ... actually I'm making light of people who feel they are more safe with more Guns.

Chris
12-20-2012, 12:42 PM
No ... actually I'm making light of people who feel they are more safe with more Guns.

You are? I think you think you are but actually unthinkingly you're doing exactly what hanger says 'giving Obama credit for the up tick in gun and ammunition sales" "yet blames the same sales on the fear-mongering by the gun lobby and those evil gun totting republicans." That's what happens when you contradict yourself, you hoist your own petard.

hanger4
12-20-2012, 01:00 PM
No ... actually I'm making light of people who feel they are more safe with more Guns.

Tell that to all the people who have been murdered in "gun-free zones"

Cigar
12-20-2012, 02:26 PM
Tell that to all the people who have been murdered in "gun-free zones"



can't do that ... you said they were murdered

hanger4
12-20-2012, 03:39 PM
can't do that ... you said they were murdered


How astute of you Cigar, but that's the point.


Had there been "more Guns" maybe this tragedy could have been averted.


After all Lanza shot himself when the first responders showed up.


One gun in that school, who knows what might not have happened.


But being a "gun-free zone" Lanza knew he had time.


As an aside, maybe the designater of that school/s as a "gun-free zone" could be held accountable.