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midcan5
05-04-2018, 05:54 AM
"We get to vote? Big deal. People get to vote in Rwanda, Russia, the Congo and countless other autocratic states as well." The OP below covers our last election and the reality that is our politics today, read it but be aware you may learn something that challenges your assumptions.

"Trump’s popularity with “heartland” rural and working-class whites even provoked Hillary into a major campaign mistake: getting caught on video telling elite Manhattan election investors that half of Trump’s supporters were a “basket of deplorables.” There was a hauntingly strong parallel between Wall Street Hillary’s “deplorables” blooper and the super-rich Republican candidate Mitt Romney’s infamous 2012 gaffe: telling his own affluent backers saying that 47% of the population were a bunch of lazy welfare cheats. This time, though, it was the Democrat – with a campaign finance profile closer to Romney’s than Obama’s in 2012 – and not the Republican making the ugly plutocratic and establishment faux pas."

"In the end, FJC note, the billionaire Trump’s ironic, fake-populist “outreach to blue collar workers” would help him win “more than half of all voters with a high school education or less (including 61% of white women with no college), almost two thirds of those who believed life for the next generation of Americans would be worse than now, and seventy-seven percent of voters who reported their personal financial situation had worsened since four years ago.”

OP here: https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/30/big-american-money-not-russia-put-trump-in-the-white-house-reflections-on-a-recent-report/

"FJC find that Russian Internet interventions were of tiny significance compared to those of homegrown U.S. corporate and right-wing cyber forces: 'The real masters of these black arts are American or Anglo-American firms. These compete directly with Silicon Valley and leading advertising firms for programmers and personnel. They rely almost entirely on data purchased from Google, Facebook, or other suppliers, not Russia. American regulators do next to nothing to protect the privacy of voters and citizens, and, as we have shown in several studies, leading telecom firms are major political actors and giant political contributors. As a result, data on the habits and preferences of individual internet users are commercially available in astounding detail and quantities for relatively modest prices – even details of individual credit card purchases. The American giants for sure harbor abundant data on the constellation of bots, I.P. addresses, and messages that streamed to the electorate…"

“…stories hyping ‘the sophistication of an influence campaign slickly crafted to mimic and infiltrate U.S. political discourse while also seeking to heighten tensions between groups already wary of one another by the Russians miss the mark.’ By 2016, the Republican right had developed internet outreach and political advertising into a fine art and on a massive scale quite on its own. Large numbers of conservative websites, including many that that tolerated or actively encouraged white supremacy and contempt for immigrants, African-Americans, Hispanics, Jews, or the aspirations of women had been hard at work for years stoking up ‘tensions between groups already wary of one another.’ Breitbart and other organizations were in fact going global, opening offices abroad and establishing contacts with like-minded groups elsewhere. Whatever the Russians were up to, they could hardly hope to add much value to the vast Made in America bombardment already underway. Nobody sows chaos like Breitbart or the Drudge Report….”

Quotes above from link above.

'Noam Chomsky on the Populist Groundswell, U.S. Elections, the Future of Humanity, and More'
https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/noam-chomsky-on-the-populist-groundswell-u-s-elections-the-future-of-humanity-and-more


Read all about it:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25437695-the-view-from-flyover-country
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695425-strangers-in-their-own-land
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2751831-invisible-hands
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money


"One of the things the tyrant most cunningly engineers is the gross over-simplification of language, because propaganda requires that the minds of the collective respond primitively to slogans of incitement." Geoffrey Hill

stjames1_53
05-04-2018, 07:20 AM
remember this the next time you deny that gun confiscation is not even considered by your side of the fence

DGUtley
05-04-2018, 08:06 AM
I find this quote particularly interesting: "By 2016, the Republican right had developed internet outreach and political advertising into a fine art and on a massive scale quite on its own." It was all fun and games and to be praised when The Obama did it in 08 and 12. The Republicans perfected it and suddenly it's a problem? Same with the 501C3's that the D's used and then the R's perfected.

So, yes, this 'collusion' narrative will be turned on the D's and the next D president will pay seven-fold when the R's perfect the narrative and use it to obstruct the next president from the left side.

Captdon
05-04-2018, 11:59 AM
"We get to vote? Big deal. People get to vote in Rwanda, Russia, the Congo and countless other autocratic states as well." The OP below covers our last election and the reality that is our politics today, read it but be aware you may learn something that challenges your assumptions.

"Trump’s popularity with “heartland” rural and working-class whites even provoked Hillary into a major campaign mistake: getting caught on video telling elite Manhattan election investors that half of Trump’s supporters were a “basket of deplorables.” There was a hauntingly strong parallel between Wall Street Hillary’s “deplorables” blooper and the super-rich Republican candidate Mitt Romney’s infamous 2012 gaffe: telling his own affluent backers saying that 47% of the population were a bunch of lazy welfare cheats. This time, though, it was the Democrat – with a campaign finance profile closer to Romney’s than Obama’s in 2012 – and not the Republican making the ugly plutocratic and establishment faux pas."

"In the end, FJC note, the billionaire Trump’s ironic, fake-populist “outreach to blue collar workers” would help him win “more than half of all voters with a high school education or less (including 61% of white women with no college), almost two thirds of those who believed life for the next generation of Americans would be worse than now, and seventy-seven percent of voters who reported their personal financial situation had worsened since four years ago.”

OP here: https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/30/big-american-money-not-russia-put-trump-in-the-white-house-reflections-on-a-recent-report/

"FJC find that Russian Internet interventions were of tiny significance compared to those of homegrown U.S. corporate and right-wing cyber forces: 'The real masters of these black arts are American or Anglo-American firms. These compete directly with Silicon Valley and leading advertising firms for programmers and personnel. They rely almost entirely on data purchased from Google, Facebook, or other suppliers, not Russia. American regulators do next to nothing to protect the privacy of voters and citizens, and, as we have shown in several studies, leading telecom firms are major political actors and giant political contributors. As a result, data on the habits and preferences of individual internet users are commercially available in astounding detail and quantities for relatively modest prices – even details of individual credit card purchases. The American giants for sure harbor abundant data on the constellation of bots, I.P. addresses, and messages that streamed to the electorate…"

“…stories hyping ‘the sophistication of an influence campaign slickly crafted to mimic and infiltrate U.S. political discourse while also seeking to heighten tensions between groups already wary of one another by the Russians miss the mark.’ By 2016, the Republican right had developed internet outreach and political advertising into a fine art and on a massive scale quite on its own. Large numbers of conservative websites, including many that that tolerated or actively encouraged white supremacy and contempt for immigrants, African-Americans, Hispanics, Jews, or the aspirations of women had been hard at work for years stoking up ‘tensions between groups already wary of one another.’ Breitbart and other organizations were in fact going global, opening offices abroad and establishing contacts with like-minded groups elsewhere. Whatever the Russians were up to, they could hardly hope to add much value to the vast Made in America bombardment already underway. Nobody sows chaos like Breitbart or the Drudge Report….”

Quotes above from link above.

'Noam Chomsky on the Populist Groundswell, U.S. Elections, the Future of Humanity, and More'
https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/noam-chomsky-on-the-populist-groundswell-u-s-elections-the-future-of-humanity-and-more


Read all about it:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25437695-the-view-from-flyover-country
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695425-strangers-in-their-own-land
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2751831-invisible-hands
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money


"One of the things the tyrant most cunningly engineers is the gross over-simplification of language, because propaganda requires that the minds of the collective respond primitively to slogans of incitement." Geoffrey Hill

Simplistic tripe.

Mister D
05-04-2018, 03:36 PM
Is the Left now trying to distance itself from this ridiculous Russia narrative? Yes, Russian "interference" was insignificant. Welcome to reality.

We should also note that Noam Chomsky has been laughing at this narrative since it was first proposed to explain Clinton's defeat.

Tahuyaman
05-04-2018, 03:57 PM
I find this quote particularly interesting: "By 2016, the Republican right had developed internet outreach and political advertising into a fine art and on a massive scale quite on its own." It was all fun and games and to be praised when The Obama did it in 08 and 12. The Republicans perfected it and suddenly it's a problem? Same with the 501C3's that the D's used and then the R's perfected.

So, yes, this 'collusion' narrative will be turned on the D's and the next D president will pay seven-fold when the R's perfect the narrative and use it to obstruct the next president from the left side.

I does appear hypocritical that all of a sudden the Democrats are crying about the Republicans using their own strategy against them. Democrats were bragging about this in 08 and 2012. They claimed that it proved the Democrats are innovative and in touch with modern culture.

Bob the Slob
05-04-2018, 04:31 PM
"We get to vote? Big deal. People get to vote in Rwanda, Russia, the Congo and countless other autocratic states as well." The OP below covers our last election and the reality that is our politics today, read it but be aware you may learn something that challenges your assumptions.

"Trump’s popularity with “heartland” rural and working-class whites even provoked Hillary into a major campaign mistake: getting caught on video telling elite Manhattan election investors that half of Trump’s supporters were a “basket of deplorables.” There was a hauntingly strong parallel between Wall Street Hillary’s “deplorables” blooper and the super-rich Republican candidate Mitt Romney’s infamous 2012 gaffe: telling his own affluent backers saying that 47% of the population were a bunch of lazy welfare cheats. This time, though, it was the Democrat – with a campaign finance profile closer to Romney’s than Obama’s in 2012 – and not the Republican making the ugly plutocratic and establishment faux pas."

"In the end, FJC note, the billionaire Trump’s ironic, fake-populist “outreach to blue collar workers” would help him win “more than half of all voters with a high school education or less (including 61% of white women with no college), almost two thirds of those who believed life for the next generation of Americans would be worse than now, and seventy-seven percent of voters who reported their personal financial situation had worsened since four years ago.”

OP here: https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/30/big-american-money-not-russia-put-trump-in-the-white-house-reflections-on-a-recent-report/

"FJC find that Russian Internet interventions were of tiny significance compared to those of homegrown U.S. corporate and right-wing cyber forces: 'The real masters of these black arts are American or Anglo-American firms. These compete directly with Silicon Valley and leading advertising firms for programmers and personnel. They rely almost entirely on data purchased from Google, Facebook, or other suppliers, not Russia. American regulators do next to nothing to protect the privacy of voters and citizens, and, as we have shown in several studies, leading telecom firms are major political actors and giant political contributors. As a result, data on the habits and preferences of individual internet users are commercially available in astounding detail and quantities for relatively modest prices – even details of individual credit card purchases. The American giants for sure harbor abundant data on the constellation of bots, I.P. addresses, and messages that streamed to the electorate…"

“…stories hyping ‘the sophistication of an influence campaign slickly crafted to mimic and infiltrate U.S. political discourse while also seeking to heighten tensions between groups already wary of one another by the Russians miss the mark.’ By 2016, the Republican right had developed internet outreach and political advertising into a fine art and on a massive scale quite on its own. Large numbers of conservative websites, including many that that tolerated or actively encouraged white supremacy and contempt for immigrants, African-Americans, Hispanics, Jews, or the aspirations of women had been hard at work for years stoking up ‘tensions between groups already wary of one another.’ Breitbart and other organizations were in fact going global, opening offices abroad and establishing contacts with like-minded groups elsewhere. Whatever the Russians were up to, they could hardly hope to add much value to the vast Made in America bombardment already underway. Nobody sows chaos like Breitbart or the Drudge Report….”

Quotes above from link above.

'Noam Chomsky on the Populist Groundswell, U.S. Elections, the Future of Humanity, and More'
https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/noam-chomsky-on-the-populist-groundswell-u-s-elections-the-future-of-humanity-and-more


Read all about it:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25437695-the-view-from-flyover-country
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695425-strangers-in-their-own-land
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2751831-invisible-hands
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money


"One of the things the tyrant most cunningly engineers is the gross over-simplification of language, because propaganda requires that the minds of the collective respond primitively to slogans of incitement." Geoffrey Hill
There is no disputing who showed up. The problem is when a hostile foreign government reaches out and is accepted to work with one candidate to interfere with our elections. That's the problem. We do NOT want Russia inteferring. NOR do we want corporations. But the illegality is the acceptance of the Trump campaign to allow Russia, a foreign government, to help them win the election.

Bob the Slob
05-04-2018, 04:32 PM
I does appear hypocritical that all of a sudden the Democrats are crying about the Republicans using their own strategy against them. Democrats were bragging about this in 08 and 2012. They claimed that it proved the Democrats are innovative and in touch with modern culture.
The problem is, they used Cambridge Analytica to influence the election. That's not using the media. It's using propaganda. That's nothing to be proud of.

Bob the Slob
05-04-2018, 04:33 PM
Is the Left now trying to distance itself from this ridiculous Russia narrative? Yes, Russian "interference" was insignificant. Welcome to reality.

We should also note that Noam Chomsky has been laughing at this narrative since it was first proposed to explain Clinton's defeat.

No, Russian interference with the welcome arms from the Trump campaign, as demonstrated throughout this investigation, is a crime. Minor, or not, it's a crime to work with foreign governments to win our elections. Doesn't that make sense?

Tahuyaman
05-04-2018, 04:35 PM
The problem is, they used Cambridge Analytica to influence the election. That's not using the media. It's using propaganda. That's nothing to be proud of.

All you can do is shake your head.

Bob the Slob
05-04-2018, 04:36 PM
All you can do is shake your head.

No, I can touch my toes, do sit ups and run a mile. :)

donttread
05-04-2018, 06:56 PM
"We get to vote? Big deal. People get to vote in Rwanda, Russia, the Congo and countless other autocratic states as well." The OP below covers our last election and the reality that is our politics today, read it but be aware you may learn something that challenges your assumptions.

"Trump’s popularity with “heartland” rural and working-class whites even provoked Hillary into a major campaign mistake: getting caught on video telling elite Manhattan election investors that half of Trump’s supporters were a “basket of deplorables.” There was a hauntingly strong parallel between Wall Street Hillary’s “deplorables” blooper and the super-rich Republican candidate Mitt Romney’s infamous 2012 gaffe: telling his own affluent backers saying that 47% of the population were a bunch of lazy welfare cheats. This time, though, it was the Democrat – with a campaign finance profile closer to Romney’s than Obama’s in 2012 – and not the Republican making the ugly plutocratic and establishment faux pas."

"In the end, FJC note, the billionaire Trump’s ironic, fake-populist “outreach to blue collar workers” would help him win “more than half of all voters with a high school education or less (including 61% of white women with no college), almost two thirds of those who believed life for the next generation of Americans would be worse than now, and seventy-seven percent of voters who reported their personal financial situation had worsened since four years ago.”

OP here: https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/03/30/big-american-money-not-russia-put-trump-in-the-white-house-reflections-on-a-recent-report/

"FJC find that Russian Internet interventions were of tiny significance compared to those of homegrown U.S. corporate and right-wing cyber forces: 'The real masters of these black arts are American or Anglo-American firms. These compete directly with Silicon Valley and leading advertising firms for programmers and personnel. They rely almost entirely on data purchased from Google, Facebook, or other suppliers, not Russia. American regulators do next to nothing to protect the privacy of voters and citizens, and, as we have shown in several studies, leading telecom firms are major political actors and giant political contributors. As a result, data on the habits and preferences of individual internet users are commercially available in astounding detail and quantities for relatively modest prices – even details of individual credit card purchases. The American giants for sure harbor abundant data on the constellation of bots, I.P. addresses, and messages that streamed to the electorate…"

“…stories hyping ‘the sophistication of an influence campaign slickly crafted to mimic and infiltrate U.S. political discourse while also seeking to heighten tensions between groups already wary of one another by the Russians miss the mark.’ By 2016, the Republican right had developed internet outreach and political advertising into a fine art and on a massive scale quite on its own. Large numbers of conservative websites, including many that that tolerated or actively encouraged white supremacy and contempt for immigrants, African-Americans, Hispanics, Jews, or the aspirations of women had been hard at work for years stoking up ‘tensions between groups already wary of one another.’ Breitbart and other organizations were in fact going global, opening offices abroad and establishing contacts with like-minded groups elsewhere. Whatever the Russians were up to, they could hardly hope to add much value to the vast Made in America bombardment already underway. Nobody sows chaos like Breitbart or the Drudge Report….”

Quotes above from link above.

'Noam Chomsky on the Populist Groundswell, U.S. Elections, the Future of Humanity, and More'
https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/noam-chomsky-on-the-populist-groundswell-u-s-elections-the-future-of-humanity-and-more


Read all about it:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25437695-the-view-from-flyover-country
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28695425-strangers-in-their-own-land
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2751831-invisible-hands
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27833494-dark-money


"One of the things the tyrant most cunningly engineers is the gross over-simplification of language, because propaganda requires that the minds of the collective respond primitively to slogans of incitement." Geoffrey Hill


Gee people educated in our ultra liberal college system come out left leaning? Amazing. OK, predictable is more the word I was looking for. Another way to define that demographic of Trump's is the working class. That's the one group of people in this country that the donkephant screws over even worse than they screw over the rest of the middle class