Galveston County TX High School shooting

[roadmaster]

Don't have a link and can't stay online. There are deaths

https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/22144/web

[roadmaster]

SANTA FE, Texas (AP) — Houston-area media citing unnamed law enforcement officials are reporting that there are fatalities following a shooting at a local high school Friday morning.
Television station KHOU and the Houston Chronicle are citing unnamed federal, county and police officials following the shooting at Santa Fe High School, which went on lockdown around 8 a.m. The Associated Press has not been able to confirm the reports.
The school district has confirmed an unspecified number of injuries but said it wouldn’t immediately release further details. Assistant Principal Cris Richardson said a suspect “has been arrested and secured.”


“We hope the worst is over and I really can’t say any more about that because it would be pure speculation,” Richardson told media outlets at the scene.
School officials said law enforcement officers were working to secure the building “and initiate all emergency management protocols to release and move students to another location.” Students

https://apnews.com/32220cb5316b4fbf9dd7f9d5b125c6f9?utm_campaign=Soci alFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

It sounded like at least 7 to 8 dead and a cop was injured getting the guy

[hanger4]

Here's a link with multiple and ongoing updates; ................... https://hotair.com/archives/2018/05/18/developing-texas-high-school-lockdown-shots-fired/

[Agent Zero]

Who cares? As long as I can fondle my weapon of mass destruction I'm happy. A few more dead kids, probably democrats and mexicans, won't get in the way of my God-given right to bear arms.

[hanger4]

Who cares? As long as I can fondle my weapon of mass destruction I'm happy. A few more dead kids, probably democrats and mexicans, won't get in the way of my God-given right to bear arms.^^^^ Well ^^^^ that didn't take long, and I'm not at all surprised who.

[roadmaster]

The sheriff said they have detained another student and also says 8 to 10 may be dead. I only counted 8 but could be wrong. They don't have armed teachers but the police got there fast.

[roadmaster]

At the same time this morning Police chief says shooting suspect at Miami-area Trump resort tried to `ambush' officers but lost gunfight. So someone tried to kill cops in Miami

[Chris]

https://www.click2houston.com/news/police-confirm-reports-of-active-shooter-at-santa-fe-high-school

LIVE: 9 killed in Santa Fe High School shooting

[MisterVeritis]

Was the school a gun free zone?
Were teachers trained and armed?

[MisterVeritis]

Is it time to rethink public schools?
I believe we should end them.

[Abby08]

^^^^ Well ^^^^ that didn't take long, and I'm not at all surprised who.

" Don't feed the trolls." If everyone ignored the ignorant blather, they'd end up talking to themselves.

[Abby08]

Is it time to rethink public schools?
I believe we should end them.

YES! I've been saying that for a while now. What good are they doing, anyway? Watch any of the judge shows, or, the show, 'the first 48,' talk about a bunch of illiterate, ignorant young people.

[roadmaster]

Was the school a gun free zone?
Were teachers trained and armed?Santa Fe school board President Steven Carrillo came out against the NRA and they didn't have armed resource officers or teachers.

[Abby08]

Was the school a gun free zone?
Were teachers trained and armed?

That's the problem, the announcing of, ' this is a gun free zone,' it's idiotic.

This, should be the sign...' be warned, this is NOT a gun free zone.' then, back it up, of course.

[Abby08]

Santa Fe school board President Steven Carrillo came out against the NRA and they didn't have armed resource officers or teachers.

Came out against the NRA? Why, did THEY shoot up the place??!!

Some people are incredibly stupid!

[roadmaster]

Came out against the NRA? Why, did THEY shoot up the place??!!

Some people are incredibly stupid! Yes they voted 5 to 0 to not accept any money from the NRA for their ROTC and no officer or teacher with guns.

[Chris]

Who cares? As long as I can fondle my weapon of mass destruction I'm happy. A few more dead kids, probably democrats and mexicans, won't get in the way of my God-given right to bear arms.

Such evil thoughts.

[Abby08]

PEOPLE, THE NRA DOES NOT MANUFACTURE OR, SELL FIREARMS, IN FACT, THEY PROMOTE AND TRAIN FIREARMS SAFETY, THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHO PURCHASES GUNS.

I did it all in caps, because, some people can't get it through their thick skulls.

[roadmaster]

Don't put your kids in a school and I am for home schooling but with board members that refuse to have armed people to protect your children and see the NRA as enemies. You are just telling others hey if you come here to shoot kids there will be no resistance. Glad the police got their fast or could have been worse.

[gamewell45]

YES! I've been saying that for a while now. What good are they doing, anyway? Watch any of the judge shows, or, the show, 'the first 48,' talk about a bunch of illiterate, ignorant young people.

Home schooling is the way to go in my opinion.

[roadmaster]

If you listened to the scanner the police also think there are some explosives in the area.

[MisterVeritis]

Who cares? As long as I can fondle my weapon of mass destruction I'm happy. A few more dead kids, probably democrats and mexicans, won't get in the way of my God-given right to bear arms.
If you are fondling your weapons, and I have no doubt you do, you are doing it wrong.

You are right that we all have the right to defend our lives and property.

[MisterVeritis]

Santa Fe school board President Steven Carrillo came out against the NRA and they didn't have armed resource officers or teachers.
Then he is culpable in these murders.

[MisterVeritis]

The sheriff said they have detained another student and also says 8 to 10 may be dead. I only counted 8 but could be wrong. They don't have armed teachers but the police got there fast.
Right. When seconds count the police are minutes away.

[MisterVeritis]

Yes they voted 5 to 0 to not accept any money from the NRA for their ROTC and no officer or teacher with guns.
Then the board is culpable in these deaths. Will they be arrested and held on a quarter million dollars bond?

[hanger4]

Seems explosives are/were on and off campus; .................. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/us/live-news/santa-fe-texas-shooting/index.html

[Captdon]

Who cares? As long as I can fondle my weapon of mass destruction I'm happy. A few more dead kids, probably democrats and mexicans, won't get in the way of my God-given right to bear arms.

Dummy, it was a shotgun. Go back to sweeping.

[roadmaster]

Then the board is culpable in these deaths. Will they be arrested and held on a quarter million dollars bond?

They are probably high fiving each other and can't wait to talk to the press about gun control. You know their MO, put them in danger and then cry victim. These people would love to disarm the police too.

[roadmaster]

Looks like a busy day today, a passenger jet has crashed on takeoff Havana airport. Still looking for details on this one.

[roadmaster]

Law enforcement official identifies person in custody in Texas school shooting as 17-year-old Dimitrios Pagourtzis.

[roadmaster]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DdfdPD6VMAAdk4-.jpg

[roadmaster]

Facebook was quick to take down post and delete. There may be some fake ones now. He also had a tee shirt born to kill. I am sure fake ones will be poping up claiming he is some white supremacist. It's a shame they will delete any information to push their narrative.

[roadmaster]

The coat he wore to school by Santa Fe High School shooter. The badges are interesting: Communist hammer abd sickle, German Iron Cross, Cthulhu, and a church of satan badge. Doesn't sound conservative to me but they are linking him to some dance class at some church.

[Beevee]

" Don't feed the trolls." If everyone ignored the ignorant blather, they'd end up talking to themselves.

Which is why this forum is a practically liberal free zone.

[Chris]

Which is why this forum is a practically liberal free zone.

What, the libs that left were ignored?

You do know the forum is free to all, though you could make a donation here http://thepoliticalforums.com/contribute.php

[Beevee]

What, the libs that left were ignored?

You do know the forum is free to all, though you could make a donation here http://thepoliticalforums.com/contribute.php

Donate? To a hate mongering site? I don't think so.

[Chris]

Donate? To a hate mongering site? I don't think so.

I thought you said those libs left.

Hey, why are you disrupting this thread and topic? Hate much?

[Tahuyaman]

Who cares? As long as I can fondle my weapon of mass destruction I'm happy. A few more dead kids, probably democrats and mexicans, won't get in the way of my God-given right to bear arms.

It’s a shame some people are that ignorant.

[Tahuyaman]

Which is why this forum is a practically liberal free zone.

It is?

[roadmaster]

and now there is a hazmat situation has been reported at the Wright-Patterson Air Force base in Ohio. Hope no one is injured. Interesting day today. What else will happen?

[Don]

PEOPLE, THE NRA DOES NOT MANUFACTURE OR, SELL FIREARMS, IN FACT, THEY PROMOTE AND TRAIN FIREARMS SAFETY, THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHO PURCHASES GUNS.

I did it all in caps, because, some people can't get it through their thick skulls.

Caps or colors or giant font size or bold text or italics won't help.

[waltky]

Several students slain in Santa Fe school shooting...
:shocked:
Up to 10 dead in Texas school shooting
18 May`18 - A 17-year-old student was held after the attack, and explosive devices were found at the school.


Ten people have been killed and 10 others are injured after a shooting by a student at a Texas high school, says the state governor. Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez told reporters the majority of the dead at Santa Fe High School were students. The suspect in custody has been identified as 17-year-old Dimitrios Pagourtzis, according to CBS News. Police said explosive devices were found at the school, 40 miles (65km) south of Houston, and off-campus. Santa Fe Police Chief Jeff Powell said: "There have been explosive devices found inside the high school, and in the surrounding areas adjacent to the high school."


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/17CDF/production/_101630579_6972a2b3-a0d3-403a-85aa-5862f6f32509.jpg
The high school is about 40 miles south of Houston

He advised residents to be aware of any suspicious objects they find. "Do not touch any items that look out of place," he said, warning residents to immediately call police. Santa Fe school police officer John Barnes has been named among the injured. Mr Barnes is currently in critical condition and undergoing surgery, according to local media. Two hospitals south of Houston said they had received nine patients from the school shooting. Clear Lake Regional Medical Center said it admitted seven, and Mainland Medical Center received two.

How the attack unfolded

Several students described hearing a fire alarm go off shortly before 08:00 local time. A student told local network KHOU-11 that a teacher who realised what was happening "ran out of the classroom and he pulled the fire alarm" to "get the rest of the school out". One witness told KTRK-TV the shooting happened in her art class, and that one of the victims was a girl. "There was someone that walked in with a shotgun and started shooting," the student said, "and this girl got shot in the leg." She said that she did not get a look at the shooter, because she ran to hide.


https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/B057/production/_101634154_shooter2.jpg
The 17-year-old suspect, Dimitrios Pagourtzis

Police have yet to confirm what type of firearm was used in the attack. One 10th grader told networks she had an asthma attack while hiding in the woods. News helicopters filmed students emptying their backpacks in front of armed officers in a field outside the school. A bomb squad was at the scene, and several helicopter ambulances flew victims to hospital. Federal officials with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) are helping the investigation.

What's the reaction been? (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44173954)

See also:

Multiple Fatalities in Texas School Shooting
May 18, 2018 - A suspect was taken into custody Friday morning after opening fire on students in Santa Fe.


Sheriff Ed Gonzales with the Harris County Sheriff’s Office told reporters that at least eight people are confirmed dead at Santa Fe High School. He said a second person of interest was also taken into custody for questioning. Both people arrested are students, Gonzales said. A law enforcement officer was reportedly among the injured.


https://cdn.officer.com/files/base/cygnus/ofcr/image/2018/05/640w/texasschoolshooting.5afefe70cc926.jpg
A suspect was taken into custody Friday morning after opening fire on students at Santa Fe High School.

The suspect’s arrest was confirmed by assistant principal at Santa Fe High School, Cris Richardson. “We did have an active shooter in the building and that person has been arrested and secured,” she told NBC News. A spokesman at the University of Texas Medical Branch said they are treating three victims of the shooting, according to KHOU-TV. The spokesman said one victim, an adult male, is in surgery. Another victim is in the ER. One of the victims is a minor. The conditions of all three victims are unknown.

Police were called to the school shortly before 8 a.m. Friday after shots were fired. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms also responded to the scene. A student at the high school, Leila Butler, told KTRK-TV that fire alarms went off around 7:45 a.m. and that students exited their classrooms. She said some students heard gunshots and that she and her classmates and teachers are sheltering in place. Some students were directed to exit the school and were patted down by officers, according to live footage from the station. A nearby school district, Dickinson ISD, said it is taking precautionary measures and not letting students outside of the buildings.

https://www.officer.com/tactical/swat/news/21005712/multiple-fatalities-in-santa-fe-texas-school-shooting

[roadmaster]

Gov said one or two weapons were used in the Santa Fe shooting; a shotgun and a .38 revolver, both obtained by the shooter from his father. It is unclear if the father knew he took the guns

[Beevee]

I thought you said those libs left.

Hey, why are you disrupting this thread and topic? Hate much?

I'm not disrupting it at all. There is not one of you who doesn't know that a post in italics and red is sarcasm.
That's the extent of the hate. Stop claiming that you all care about school shootings when all they do is vent anything but the means to address it.

[MisterVeritis]

I'm not disrupting it at all. There is not one of you who doesn't know that a post in italics and red is sarcasm.
That's the extent of the hate. Stop claiming that you all care about school shootings when all they do is vent anything but the means to address it.
This is not your problem to solve.

[Beevee]

This is not your problem to solve.

There is no bigger dick on this forum than you. Although a chorus of deplorables is about to shoot that statement down, no doubt.
Go somewhere else if you don't like my posts. Or block them. You really are a poor substitute for a human being.

[MisterVeritis]

There is no bigger dick on this forum than you.
It is true. I have a big dick.


Although a chorus of deplorables is about to shoot that statement down, no doubt.
Go somewhere else if you don't like my posts. Or block them. You really are a poor substitute for a human being.
I prefer to use your posts to create lessons for others.

I believe I am a terrific substitute for a human being. Excellent, in fact. If one cannot get a real human being I recommend, well, me.

But never you.

[Chris]

I'm not disrupting it at all. There is not one of you who doesn't know that a post in italics and red is sarcasm.
That's the extent of the hate. Stop claiming that you all care about school shootings when all they do is vent anything but the means to address it.

We care. But we care for the people and we care for real solutions, you know, those that address real problems, not just do something like the unthinking, uncaring left.

[roadmaster]

Republican Greg Abbott said Friday that the suspect “has information contained in journals on his computer, in his cellphone that ... said ... not only did he want to commit the shooting but he wanted to commit suicide after the shooting.”
Abbott added that the suspect gave himself up to authorities, saying he “didn’t have the courage” to take his own life.
Dimitrios Pagourtzis has been charged with capital murder in the Friday morning shooting that killed 10 people and wounded 10 others in Santa Fe, near Houston and Galveston.

[Agent Zero]

^^^^ Well ^^^^ that didn't take long, and I'm not at all surprised who.
You wouldn't know sarcasm if it slapped you in the face.

The fact is, not a single one of you gun nuts disagree with my statement. You care more about your fucking guns than children. I'd bet you wouldn't if one of those dead bodies was your kid.

" Don't feed the trolls." If everyone ignored the ignorant blather, they'd end up talking to themselves.

True. I'll bet you blather all over yourself chomping down on those donuts.


Such evil thoughts.
See above reply to Hanger4.

PEOPLE, THE NRA DOES NOT MANUFACTURE OR, SELL FIREARMS, IN FACT, THEY PROMOTE AND TRAIN FIREARMS SAFETY, THEY HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHO PURCHASES GUNS.
Absolute bullshit. At one time the purpose of the NRA was education and safety, no more.

http://www.dailyitem.com/opinion/what-happened-to-the-nra/article_8d801658-55e2-5695-88b0-6c29ea7e263e.html

As I understand it, the NRA was established to promote marksmanship after the Civil War ended. It later supported the ban on fully-automatic rifles in 1934. It has also sponsored hunting-safety classes. Now the NRA is about owning-any-firearm-we-want-to-with-no-restrictions. Any legislation to regulate firearms must come from those who “hate individual liberty.” What happened?
Recently, the leader of the NRA, Wayne LaPierre spoke at CPAC, and warned everyone there that the USA was in danger of a “socialist takeover” following calls for tighter gun laws after the latest school shooting in Florida. He said “Their goal is to eliminate the Second Amendment and firearms freedom so they can eliminate all our freedoms.” He specifically named George Soros, Michael Bloomberg, and Tom Steyer, all of them Jewish billionaires, as behind this effort.

If this kind of talk, following Donald Trump’s war on the mainstream media doesn’t scare you, it should.
Government is not something to be feared and opposed with weapons. The dead have no liberty. Government should be shaped by the people using the rule of law, with a free and independent press, and a free and fair vote, without suppression.

Peter Whitcopf,
Selinsgrove

[Agent Zero]

Then he is culpable in these murders.
What about this kid's so-called responsible gun owner NRA supporter? He deserves death.

[Beevee]

It is true. I have a big dick.


I prefer to use your posts to create lessons for others.

I believe I am a terrific substitute for a human being. Excellent, in fact. If one cannot get a real human being I recommend, well, me.

But never you.

Oh! A sense of humour.

[Chris]

You wouldn't know sarcasm if it slapped you in the face.

The fact is, not a single one of you gun nuts disagree with my statement. You care more about your fucking guns than children. I'd bet you wouldn't if one of those dead bodies was your kid.


True. I'll bet you blather all over yourself chomping down on those donuts.


See above reply to Hanger4.

Absolute bullshit. At one time the purpose of the NRA was education and safety, no more.

http://www.dailyitem.com/opinion/what-happened-to-the-nra/article_8d801658-55e2-5695-88b0-6c29ea7e263e.html

As I understand it, the NRA was established to promote marksmanship after the Civil War ended. It later supported the ban on fully-automatic rifles in 1934. It has also sponsored hunting-safety classes. Now the NRA is about owning-any-firearm-we-want-to-with-no-restrictions. Any legislation to regulate firearms must come from those who “hate individual liberty.” What happened?
Recently, the leader of the NRA, Wayne LaPierre spoke at CPAC, and warned everyone there that the USA was in danger of a “socialist takeover” following calls for tighter gun laws after the latest school shooting in Florida. He said “Their goal is to eliminate the Second Amendment and firearms freedom so they can eliminate all our freedoms.” He specifically named George Soros, Michael Bloomberg, and Tom Steyer, all of them Jewish billionaires, as behind this effort.

If this kind of talk, following Donald Trump’s war on the mainstream media doesn’t scare you, it should.
Government is not something to be feared and opposed with weapons. The dead have no liberty. Government should be shaped by the people using the rule of law, with a free and independent press, and a free and fair vote, without suppression.

Peter Whitcopf,
Selinsgrove



In order for other to recognize sarcasm you have to use sarcasm, zero. If you think your are you're not very good at it. It's only sarcasm if everyone sees it so.

[Agent Zero]

Which is why this forum is a practically liberal free zone.
It's been infested with trolls from Trinn's forum. Hell, even our mods post over there giggling about this place.

[Agent Zero]

In order for other to recognize sarcasm you have to use sarcasm, zero. If you think your are you're not very good at it. It's only sarcasm if everyone sees it so.

Maybe it was "snark". Isn't that what you guys do here to excuse your buddies?

[Beevee]

We care. But we care for the people and we care for real solutions, you know, those that address real problems, not just do something like the unthinking, uncaring left.

Then what's wrong with legislation that would require the purchaser of a weapon to be sponsored by two people that must accompany him/her when the weapon is acquired? With them signing for the integrity of the buyer with the understanding that if that buyer uses it for illegal purposes, the signatories would be held jointly responsible.
Would you sponsor a buyer on those terms?

[Chris]

Then what's wrong with legislation that would require the purchaser of a weapon to be sponsored by two people that must accompany him/her when the weapon is acquired? With them signing for the integrity of the buyer with the understanding that if that buyer uses it for illegal purposes, the signatories would be held jointly responsible.
Would you sponsor a buyer on those terms?

What problem does that solve? Remember, I said real solutions that address real problems.

[Chris]

Maybe it was "snark". Isn't that what you guys do here to excuse your buddies?

Maybe you were just trolling.

[Beevee]

What problem does that solve? Remember, I said real solutions that address real problems.

So you wouldn't act as a sponsor but want a solution that doesn't involve you. Very conservative.

[Chris]

So you wouldn't act as a sponsor but want a solution that doesn't involve you. Very conservative.

Didn't say that now did I. I asked you what real world problem that would solve. If all you have is what you think is a gotcha then you have nothing.

[hanger4]

You wouldn't know sarcasm if it slapped you in the face.The fact is, not a single one of you gun nuts disagree with my statement. You care more about your fucking guns than children. I'd bet you wouldn't if one of those dead bodies was your kid.Your crassness has no limits. Your post are just for scoring political points. Agent Zero, thy name is POS.

[roadmaster]

4 pipe bombs were found inside the Santa Fe High School, according to law enforcement. The bombs did not explode, but it is unclear if they were able to.

sounds like Antifa and I am sure they have other useful idiots to try and wreak havoc while they want to take guns away from law abiding citizens. And the school is responsible for not allowing officers and teachers to protect the others.

[hanger4]

Is it true then that the schools RO was not allowed to carry his pistol ??

[Agent Zero]

Here you have it. He's a Trump supporter!

https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/05/dimitrios-instagram.jpg?quality=65&strip=all&w=706&strip=all

[roadmaster]

Nice try on those fake accounts but no communist or person who loves the Church of satan is a Trump supporter.

[Agent Zero]

More...How many of the gun nuts here will support the father facing murder charges?

https://heavy.com/news/2018/05/dimitrios-pagourtzis/


According to his Facebook page, (https://www.facebook.com/antonios.pagourtzis?lst=662851421%3A10000504966024 9%3A1526661579) Antonios Pagourtzis “likes” Dana Loesch, the conservative political activist and spokesperson for the National Rifle Association. In the wake of the Parkland school shooting in February 2018, Loesch publicly defended (https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2018/03/19/nra-spokesperson-dana-loesch-nra-members-are-victims-different-sort-parkland-school-shooting/219673)the NRA’s stance on assault rifles.

[Agent Zero]

Nice try on those fake accounts but no communist or person who loves the Church of satan is a Trump supporter.
They're not fake but if it makes you feel better and allows for more slaughter of children, so be it.

See, Chris? Snark!

[roadmaster]

They're not fake but if it makes you feel better and allows for more slaughter of children, so be it.

See, @Chris (http://thepoliticalforums.com/member.php?u=128)? Snark! We got them before facepuke and others deleted them. You don't care about them and we know it.

[Beevee]

Didn't say that now did I. I asked you what real world problem that would solve. If all you have is what you think is a gotcha then you have nothing.

If I have nothing, then you have less than nothing unless you have a solution, If you dare upsetting conservatives by writing it.

[Chris]

They're not fake but if it makes you feel better and allows for more slaughter of children, so be it.

See, Chris? Snark!

Not. Just stupid things to say. And here I thought you saw yourself as one who likes to discuss things. Kneeslapper.

[Chris]

If I have nothing, then you have less than nothing unless you have a solution, If you dare upsetting conservatives by writing it.

We were discussing your idea. Explain it, tie it to real problems. I haven't even disagreed yet.

[Peter1469]

Get a shot gun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHZ7zXLvOkY

[Cletus]

Then what's wrong with legislation that would require the purchaser of a weapon to be sponsored by two people that must accompany him/her when the weapon is acquired? With them signing for the integrity of the buyer with the understanding that if that buyer uses it for illegal purposes, the signatories would be held jointly responsible.
Would you sponsor a buyer on those terms?

Do you think someone should have two sponsors to write a book, publish a newspaper article, make a speech in public, worship at a place of his choice, protest against the government, or hold a peaceable assembly?

[Cletus]

More...How many of the gun nuts here will support the father facing murder charges?

https://heavy.com/news/2018/05/dimitrios-pagourtzis/

Did he participate in, help plan or have foreknowledge of the killings?

[exotix]

What's the word from Lapierre ?


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/997515759281680385

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/997493407097524224




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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ddfjh0hV4AAH_tl.jpg:large

[Peter1469]

Joe Biden: "Get a shotgun."

[Agent Zero]

Joe Biden: "Get a shotgun."
The full text so our forum liars understand what he was saying;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/20/joe-biden-buy-a-shotgun

Biden, who is leading a push for President Barack Obama's gun control proposals, made the remark during a question-and-answer session on Facebook on Tuesday.
The vice-president has not one but two shotguns, which he says he keeps in a locked cabinet at his house in his home state of Delaware, and he has given his wife, Jill, explicit instructions on how to deal with any would-be intruder.
"We live in an area that's wooded and secluded," Biden said. "I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here ... put that double-barrelled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.'
"I promise you, whoever's coming in is not going to," Biden said. "You don't need an AR-15 [assault rifle]. It's harder to aim. It's harder to use. And in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself.
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/c89f47de4d2aa5c1ff821c014ef4b01af709bfd7/0_0_2083_1250/master/2083.jpg?w=460&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&
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"Buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun," he said.

[MisterVeritis]

What about this kid's so-called responsible gun owner NRA supporter? He deserves death.
We have insufficient facts to make this judgment. Not that a lack of facts would interfere with you. You tend to be all emotion with little to no logic.

[MisterVeritis]

Your crassness has no limits. Your post are just for scoring political points. Agent Zero, thy name is POS.
What is shows is his small mind. He lacks depth in every field we have discussed so far.

[MisterVeritis]

And the school is responsible for not allowing officers and teachers to protect the others.
The School Board is responsible for school policies. The school implements the policies the board approves. In this case the board denounced the NRA and elected to keep the school gun free.

People died. The board members are still alive, or so I believe.

[MisterVeritis]

More...How many of the gun nuts here will support the father facing murder charges?

What information do you have about the father that would lead you to support murder charges?

[hanger4]

The full text so our forum liars understand what he was saying;https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/20/joe-biden-buy-a-shotgunBiden, who is leading a push for President Barack Obama's gun control proposals, made the remark during a question-and-answer session on Facebook on Tuesday.The vice-president has not one but two shotguns, which he says he keeps in a locked cabinet at his house in his home state of Delaware, and he has given his wife, Jill, explicit instructions on how to deal with any would-be intruder."We live in an area that's wooded and secluded," Biden said. "I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here ... put that double-barrelled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.'"I promise you, whoever's coming in is not going to," Biden said. "You don't need an AR-15 [assault rifle]. It's harder to aim. It's harder to use. And in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself.https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/c89f47de4d2aa5c1ff821c014ef4b01af709bfd7/0_0_2083_1250/master/2083.jpg?w=460&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&Sign up for Guardian Today US edition: the day's must-reads sent directly to you Read more"Buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun," he said.You supplying context is sort of ironic, but :thumbsup:

[MisterVeritis]

If I have nothing, then you have less than nothing unless you have a solution, If you dare upsetting conservatives by writing it.
What problem are you trying to solve?

[Peter1469]

I didn't realize anyone lied about that quote. Shame on them.

The funny thing is that if the nogoodnicks see you have a double barrel shotgun and you blast them off into the air, they know they have a short window of attack before you can reload. Have you seen people's hands shake in combat- have you tried to reload a double barrel shotgun when nogoodnicks were rushing your position?

lol


The full text so our forum liars understand what he was saying;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/20/joe-biden-buy-a-shotgun

Biden, who is leading a push for President Barack Obama's gun control proposals, made the remark during a question-and-answer session on Facebook on Tuesday.
The vice-president has not one but two shotguns, which he says he keeps in a locked cabinet at his house in his home state of Delaware, and he has given his wife, Jill, explicit instructions on how to deal with any would-be intruder.
"We live in an area that's wooded and secluded," Biden said. "I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here ... put that double-barrelled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.'
"I promise you, whoever's coming in is not going to," Biden said. "You don't need an AR-15 [assault rifle]. It's harder to aim. It's harder to use. And in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself.
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"Buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun," he said.

[Cletus]

The full text so our forum liars understand what he was saying;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/20/joe-biden-buy-a-shotgun

Biden, who is leading a push for President Barack Obama's gun control proposals, made the remark during a question-and-answer session on Facebook on Tuesday.
The vice-president has not one but two shotguns, which he says he keeps in a locked cabinet at his house in his home state of Delaware, and he has given his wife, Jill, explicit instructions on how to deal with any would-be intruder.
"We live in an area that's wooded and secluded," Biden said. "I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here ... put that double-barrelled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.'
"I promise you, whoever's coming in is not going to," Biden said. "You don't need an AR-15 [assault rifle]. It's harder to aim. It's harder to use. And in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself.
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/c89f47de4d2aa5c1ff821c014ef4b01af709bfd7/0_0_2083_1250/master/2083.jpg?w=460&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&
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"Buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun," he said.

The whole thing makes him appear even more stupid and uninformed.

[Agent Zero]

The School Board is responsible for school policies. The school implements the policies the board approves. In this case the board denounced the NRA and elected to keep the school gun free.

People died. The board members are still alive, or so I believe.

What? You wanna gun them down too?

[Tahuyaman]

What? You wanna gun them down too?

Please show me where any member of the NRA has performed a mass shooting or other terrorist act.

[MisterVeritis]

What? You wanna gun them down too?
I have no interest in gunning anyone down. The State has the exclusive right to punish for crimes.

[waltky]

Texas school shooting: Arm teachers to stop gunmen...
:cool2:
Texas school shooting: Arm teachers to stop gunmen, official says
20 May 2018 - Arming more teachers could help tackle gunmen targeting students if there were "four to five guns to one", a senior Texan official has said.


Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick was speaking two days after 10 people were killed at the Santa Fe High School, which had an armed guard. He had previously said schools had "too many entrances and too many exits" and their design should be reconsidered. The proposal to arm teachers is not a new idea. After a 14 February school shooting in Florida, US President Donald Trump suggested giving teachers a bonus if they carried guns. But he clarified via Twitter that "only the best 20% of teachers" - those with military backgrounds or special training - should be allowed guns.



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Dan Patrick believes gun control would endanger more people


Mr Patrick, a Republican, told CNN that the best way to stop a gunman was "with a gun". "But even better than that is four to five guns to one," he said. Hours earlier, the police chief of neighbouring Houston said he had hit "rock bottom" over failure to enact gun reforms. Chief Art Acevedo wrote on Facebook that he had "shed tears of sadness, pain and anger" over the shooting. The shooting was the latest in a series of deadly incidents across the US that have reignited debate about gun control.


What happened in the latest school shooting?


Police now say eight students and two teachers were killed when another student opened fire in an art class shortly before 08:00 (13:00 GMT) on Friday at the Santa Fe High School. Thirteen others were wounded in the attack, with two in critical condition. Among the dead are a Pakistani exchange student and a substitute teacher. Dimitrios Pagourtzis, 17, has been charged with murder after surrendering to police. He later admitted "to shooting multiple people". He allegedly used a shotgun and a revolver taken from his father, who legally owned the weapons.


It was the fourth deadliest shooting at a US school in modern history, and the deadliest since a student opened fire in February at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, killing 17 people. The Florida attack spawned a nationwide youth-led campaign for gun control, and a series of proposed changes, including moves to ban so-called bump stocks used in last year's Las Vegas shooting that killed 58 concert-goers.


What does the lieutenant governor propose? (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44187718)


See also:


Houston Police Chief Says He's Sick Of Inaction On Gun Control
May 19, 2018 - Following another school shooting, this one leaving 10 dead and 13 injured in Texas, Houston’s police chief is calling out elected officials for their failure to protect the children they claim to hold so dear.


Police Chief Art Acevedo posted a pained message on Facebook after Friday’s shooting in the nearby town of Santa Fe, in which a 17-year-old student at Santa Fe High School gunned down his classmates (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/santa-fe-texas-high-school-shooting_us_5afecea3e4b0463cdba128a5) and a teacher.


No one ― not even the terrified kids themselves (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/santa-fe-high-shooting-student-not-surprised_us_5aff08fce4b0463cdba18fbd) ― seemed to be all that surprised, with one student telling the local news she felt “eventually it was going to happen here too.” Acevedo said he has had enough inaction when it comes to protecting children. “Today I spent the day dealing with another mass shooting of children and a responding police officer who is clinging to life,” the police chief wrote Friday. “I’m not ashamed to admit I’ve shed tears of sadness, pain and anger.”




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Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo, Mayor Sylvester Turner, U.S. Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee and student organizers at Houston's March for Our Lives rally on March 24.



He had a message to those who would choose their guns over the safety of kids. “I know some have strong feelings about gun rights, but I want you to know I’ve hit rock bottom and I am not interested in your views as it pertains to this issue,” he said.




Parkland, Florida, high school that left 17 dead." data-reactid="25">The police chief previously marched with demonstrators during the March 24 March for Our Lives event, held in response to the Feb. 14 mass shooting at a Parkland, Florida, high school (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/topic/parkland-school-shooting) that left 17 dead. “This isn’t a time for prayers, and study and inaction, it’s a time for prayers, action and the asking of God’s forgiveness for our inaction (especially the elected officials that ran to the cameras today, acted in a solemn manner, called for prayers, and will once again do absolutely nothing),” Acevedo added.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/houston-police-chief-says-apos-162524036.html

Related:


Teen Laid Out Texas School Shooting Plans in Journals, Officials Say (https://www.yahoo.com/news/teen-laid-texas-school-shooting-055748179.html)

[Peter1469]

I could support a reasonable plan to arm teachers so long as it was voluntary and the teachers were competent to handle firearms. But I think Resource Officers / police at schools would be more effective. You could also have classroom doors that don't open from the outside without a security measure. So if a student on prescription anti-depression medication goes full out homicidal, he couldn't gain access to a classroom while class was in session.

[Cletus]

I could support a reasonable plan to arm teachers so long as it was voluntary and the teachers were competent to handle firearms. But I think Resource Officers / police at schools would be more effective. You could also have classroom doors that don't open from the outside with a security measure. So if a student on prescription anti-depression medication goes full out homicidal, he couldn't gain access to a classroom while class was in session.

The problem with using a SRO is that he can only be in one place at a time. In our local school district, for example, there is one SRO who has to cover 4 different campuses, all in different parts of town. That gives him at best, a 1 in 4 chance of being on the grounds of a particular school in the event of an active shooter incident. Arming volunteer teachers is not only a more effective method of providing coverage, it is also much more cost effective. If you could arm, say... 10 teachers per school, that would be the equivalent of 40 SROs.

Of course, the best solution is a combination of active and passive defensive measures. Armed personnel on campus and strict access control. Keep the shooter from getting on campus in the first place or making sure he can't get on campus with the weapons he needs to carry out his act would greatly reduce the risk of armed personnel ever being required to respond in the first place. There should still be armed personnel available in case someone manages to slip in, but the odds of that happening can be greatly reduced with proper and relatively simple planning.

[Peter1469]

The problem with using a SRO is that he can only be in one place at a time. In our local school district, for example, there is one SRO who has to cover 4 different campuses, all in different parts of town. That gives him at best, a 1 in 4 chance of being on the grounds of a particular school in the event of an active shooter incident. Arming volunteer teachers is not only a more effective method of providing coverage, it is also much more cost effective. If you could arm, say... 10 teachers per school, that would be the equivalent of 40 SROs.

Of course, the best solution is a combination of active and passive defensive measures. Armed personnel on campus and strict access control. Keep the shooter from getting on campus in the first place or making sure he can't get on campus with the weapons he needs to carry out his act would greatly reduce the risk of armed personnel ever being required to respond in the first place. There should still be armed personnel available in case someone manages to slip in, but the odds of that happening can be greatly reduced with proper and relatively simple planning.

Agree with all.

I would expect a SRO in each school building.

[MisterVeritis]

We need to abolish public schools.

[Captdon]

Then what's wrong with legislation that would require the purchaser of a weapon to be sponsored by two people that must accompany him/her when the weapon is acquired? With them signing for the integrity of the buyer with the understanding that if that buyer uses it for illegal purposes, the signatories would be held jointly responsible.
Would you sponsor a buyer on those terms?


You see, we have these pesky rights. That's beyond your ability to grasp. I'm responsible for me, not you.

This post is worthless.

[Captdon]

So you wouldn't act as a sponsor but want a solution that doesn't involve you. Very conservative.

Will you pay for every person shot without a way to defend? See how idiotic you are?

[Captdon]

The full text so our forum liars understand what he was saying;

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/20/joe-biden-buy-a-shotgun

Biden, who is leading a push for President Barack Obama's gun control proposals, made the remark during a question-and-answer session on Facebook on Tuesday.
The vice-president has not one but two shotguns, which he says he keeps in a locked cabinet at his house in his home state of Delaware, and he has given his wife, Jill, explicit instructions on how to deal with any would-be intruder.
"We live in an area that's wooded and secluded," Biden said. "I said, 'Jill, if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here ... put that double-barrelled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.'
"I promise you, whoever's coming in is not going to," Biden said. "You don't need an AR-15 [assault rifle]. It's harder to aim. It's harder to use. And in fact, you don't need 30 rounds to protect yourself.
https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/c89f47de4d2aa5c1ff821c014ef4b01af709bfd7/0_0_2083_1250/master/2083.jpg?w=460&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&
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"Buy a shotgun. Buy a shotgun," he said.

So, old Joe is in favor of an armed response. Did you read this first?