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DonGlock26
12-27-2012, 12:08 PM
Germany 'exporting' old and sick to foreign care homes


Pensioners are being sent to care homes in eastern Europe and Asia in an austerity move dismissed as 'inhumane deportation'



Growing numbers of elderly and sick Germans are being sent overseas for long-term care in retirement and rehabilitation centres because of rising costs and falling standards in Germany (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/germany).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/26/german-elderly-foreign-care-homes





Told ya so. Socialism is a failed philosophy. These poor people are being sent out of their country after paying for the comfortable German soil retirements of preceding generations.

It can't be any clearer than this, Libs. It's a ponzi scheme, and someone always gets screwed in the end. And, Germany is considered the economic powerhouse of the EU!

Now, I know that many of the PF progressives are dogmatic true believers in their pseudo-religion of secular humanist socialism, but you critical thinking progressives and independents have to admit that the welfare state is failing in its own cradle- Europe.

Carygrant
12-27-2012, 04:11 PM
The problem is facing everyone in the developed world .
It has nothing to do with Socialism . It has to do with people getting old and needing help .
Do you want them killed ? Is that your solution?

Deadwood
12-27-2012, 04:28 PM
Told ya so. Socialism is a failed philosophy. These poor people are being sent out of their country after paying for the comfortable German soil retirements of preceding generations.

It can't be any clearer than this, Libs. It's a ponzi scheme, and someone always gets screwed in the end. And, Germany is considered the economic powerhouse of the EU!

Now, I know that many of the PF progressives are dogmatic true believers in their pseudo-religion of secular humanist socialism, but you critical thinking progressives and independents have to admit that the welfare state is failing in its own cradle- Europe.



It's ugly. To think that the elderly, infirm and mentally ill would have to live in a foreign country, away from their families and familiarities..

Are they not simply aggravating the problem in that the patient ultimately suffers?

But can we legitimately attack socialized medicine over all, as opposed to the German application of it.

Efficiency being everything they would approach it this way: The boomers are getting old and we need to care for them. However it is going to last about 25 years, so why build facilitities, train staff, that won't be needed ten years after we get done building them without creating enormous deficits?

Carygrant
12-27-2012, 09:02 PM
Its about time that engineered pandemic appeared . Can't be too far away .
They have had the dress rehearsal .Should be sometime between next year and 2016 , if I had to guess .

Chris
12-27-2012, 09:52 PM
The problem is facing everyone in the developed world .
It has nothing to do with Socialism . It has to do with people getting old and needing help .
Do you want them killed ? Is that your solution?

Of course aging has nothing to do with socialism, 'exporting' old and sick to foreign care homes does. Solution is take responsibility. Why would you even think of killing them?

Carygrant
12-28-2012, 04:12 AM
Of course aging has nothing to do with socialism, 'exporting' old and sick to foreign care homes does. Solution is take responsibility. Why would you even think of killing them?

Why are you pretending to make a point by inventing an unasked question ? The overall problem is the number of old people and attendant costs in developed countries . Not your fabricated point of a particular and possible part solution that one country might be using in an isolated instance and its relation to Socialism .
That is an example of Mind Trolling .

You just watch attitudes change the full circle over the next few years .

zelmo1234
12-28-2012, 06:11 AM
The problem is facing everyone in the developed world .
It has nothing to do with Socialism . It has to do with people getting old and needing help .
Do you want them killed ? Is that your solution?

The problem around the world it as you Great leader said

http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/138248-the-problem-with-socialism-is-that-you-eventually-run-out

In many countries around the world we developed these compassionate programs, (including the USA)

As they grew we added more and more reatures driving up the costs. The programs became so extensive that people could live on them and not have to work.

politicians started to realize that this base of dependents if large enough could provide a voting base that could be easily controled.

In our country what started out to be a helping hand, Social Security, it now the sole retirement program for the working poor and middle class. This dooms them to poverty. Democrats will not allow and privitized invetments to replace the current system, because they want them to be right where the are.

They fight welfare reforms, In Michigan where I live the have tried everything to end our 48 month maximum on welfare assistance. because as one state house person said. The reason that I lost my seat, was my voters that depended on welfare for their lively hood, are starting to move away, instead of trying to find a job.

After the right to work a Grand Rapids House Rep stated," now that people that who may have different beliefs are not forced to pay their union dues, we democrats in many areas will be at a financial disadvantage to our republican counter parts" they prefered forcing people to donte to their parties.

Most people and countries for that matter are compassionate, in our compassion we have created dependency, and now we are at the point where we have finally run out of other peoples money

zelmo1234
12-28-2012, 06:32 AM
Why are you pretending to make a point by inventing an unasked question ? The overall problem is the number of old people and attendant costs in developed countries . Not your fabricated point of a particular and possible part solution that one country might be using in an isolated instance and its relation to Socialism .
That is an example of Mind Trolling .

You just watch attitudes change the full circle over the next few years .

The problem lies in governments that have created social programs that can not be sustained (socialism)

We have the baby boomers retiring this is true, and in our retirement homes we do not have enough beds this is also true. However; boomers are not broke?

http://bulldog2.redlands.edu/fac/diane_macunovich/web/baby_boomers.pdf

An extremly large percentage of these boomers have pensions and retirement, not all be 60 to 70% is high, and while they did not have as many children as their parents, many did have families.

thus the free market will have to take over. and some will have to rely on family for their care while they are still able and do not need constant medical attention. our nursing, and retirement homes will need to be selective on those that need constant care. Yes the selfish little children of babyboomers will have to take care of their parents, many might have to move into their parents home which is paid for or nearly paid for.

It might be a good lesson in saving for their own retirement in many cases, but the governments can not afford to pay for everything. In the USA we have 47 to 49% of the people that do not pay any federal income tax? And each and every time they come back for more from those that do, more money is taken from economic development or people shelter their wealty, and the government takes in less or very close to the same revenue.

this is a sure sign that we have run out of other peoples money

patrickt
12-28-2012, 06:54 AM
Apparently, if you are young and make, as Cigar called it, a "free-will choice" to not work then you are a valuable person and should be supported by the society to which you have contributed nothing positive. If you are old, worked for 45 years, you might be lucky and simply be shipped off to another country where people might actually care about you. If you're unlucky, you'll go into a hospital where they will allow you to starve to death. It's called compassion from the left.

Chris
12-28-2012, 08:57 AM
Why are you pretending to make a point by inventing an unasked question ? The overall problem is the number of old people and attendant costs in developed countries . Not your fabricated point of a particular and possible part solution that one country might be using in an isolated instance and its relation to Socialism .
That is an example of Mind Trolling .

You just watch attitudes change the full circle over the next few years .

Once again, the problem is natural. The solution used is socialist.

You never answered why you even thought about killing them.

Carygrant
12-28-2012, 09:04 AM
Once again, the problem is natural. The solution used is socialist.

You never answered why you even thought about killing them.


Frankly your posts are so disorganised and your arbitrary use of terms so haphazard that useful discussion is not possible .
I advised you elsewhere to look at people like A.J Ayer and Wittgenstein before trying to get involved in what is sometimes popularly known as Conceptual Analysis .

Chris
12-28-2012, 09:16 AM
Frankly your posts are so disorganised and your arbitrary use of terms so haphazard that useful discussion is not possible .
I advised you elsewhere to look at people like A.J Ayer and Wittgenstein before trying to get involved in what is sometimes popularly known as Conceptual Analysis .

Can you point to where my post is disorganized? No, you just make things up to criticize people with. My guess is you're just projecting recognition of your own crappy posts onto others. And when you say haphazard, do you mean like using triumvirate for trifecta? Who are you kidding?

Nothing is so difficult as not deceiving oneself.
~Ludwig Wittgenstein


Oh, and when are you going to answer the simple question why you came up with the idea of just killing the elderly?

Bigred1cav
12-28-2012, 06:52 PM
You right wing fascist should be elated one step closer to exporting those you consider undesirables to concentration camps as your right wing fascist forefathers did.

Peter1469
12-28-2012, 07:03 PM
Fascists are just kissing cousins with socialists and communists, totalitarians all.

None of them are similar to liberty loving modern American conservatives who want to limit the power of government, rather than maximize it. :wink:

Chris
12-28-2012, 08:17 PM
You right wing fascist should be elated one step closer to exporting those you consider undesirables to concentration camps as your right wing fascist forefathers did.

Red, you old fascist lefty, how you doing?

prore
03-01-2013, 09:12 AM
I guess it,s a phenomena for most of the countries, that they need to export their elders and sick persons to foreign care homes. Which they need to develop in their own countries. As their some very well-organized aged care homes are working around some countries, who are providing their homes at some reasonable prices.

Pete7469
03-01-2013, 09:18 AM
critical thinking progressives and independents



Try rephrasing this.

These words cannot be used in the same sentence.

Oh wait...

Obviously you're being sarcastic. Too bad we can't add tone in type

Pete7469
03-01-2013, 09:28 AM
You right wing fascist should be elated one step closer to exporting those you consider undesirables to concentration camps as your right wing fascist forefathers did.

It's because of the incredible stupidity of people like this puke that the media can get away with ignoring and covering up the moonbat messiah's crimes, and the unbelieveable idiocy of liberal political figures.

I'm not suprised at the vast depth of this oxygen thief's ignorance though, it's a prerequisit of being a liberal that most people grow out of.

I am pleased to see that limey worm Cary is no longer injecting his immense idiocy here though.

Mainecoons
03-01-2013, 09:56 AM
Yeah, what happened to Cary?

You expect intelligent and profound thought from someone called "bedwetter?"

:rofl:

Pete7469
03-01-2013, 10:03 AM
Yeah, what happened to Cary?

You expect intelligent and profound thought from someone called "bedwetter?"

:rofl:

I usually refer to all leftist zombies as bed wetters. We all know better than to expect anything logical from them, let alone an original though that wasn't just regurgitated from a media matters or other moonbat website.

bladimz
03-01-2013, 01:42 PM
Told ya so. Socialism is a failed philosophy. These poor people are being sent out of their country after paying for the comfortable German soil retirements of preceding generations.

It can't be any clearer than this, Libs. It's a ponzi scheme, and someone always gets screwed in the end. And, Germany is considered the economic powerhouse of the EU!

Now, I know that many of the PF progressives are dogmatic true believers in their pseudo-religion of secular humanist socialism, but you critical thinking progressives and independents have to admit that the welfare state is failing in its own cradle- Europe.
Quoted from your posted link:


Germany has one of the fastest-ageing populations in the world, and the movement here has implications for other western countries, including Britain, particularly amid fears that austerity measures and rising care costs are potentially undermining standards of residential care.Austerity measures? Rising care costs? Explosive ageing population?? How do you attach these factors to socialized medicine, and why?

Ridiculous...

bladimz
03-01-2013, 01:43 PM
You right wing fascist should be elated one step closer to exporting those you consider undesirables to concentration camps as your right wing fascist forefathers did.Good to see ya here!

Mainecoons
03-01-2013, 01:46 PM
Yeah, that's what we need here another poster who confuses vitriol with discussion and debate.

killianr1
03-01-2013, 02:25 PM
The problem is facing everyone in the developed world .
It has nothing to do with Socialism . It has to do with people getting old and needing help .
Do you want them killed ? Is that your solution?

All you need to do is wait until Obamacare is fully implemented and they set up the "death panels". They will provide the solution for you and me.

lynn
03-01-2013, 02:30 PM
We are not a socialist country, the government pays for welfare not because they don't want anyone to go hungry or homeless, its to prevent the poor from wanting to create a revolution against the government. Its make it safer for you to leave your home every day without being mugged or killed from someone that is hungry and nothing to lose.

A socialist society would not allow most of their manufacturing to leave their country nor would they invest their money overseas. Profits would be used to expand their workforce and make life better for their workers where it is a win win for everyone to survive. The idea that there is a job for everyone based on what they can offer society prevents a welfare population that does nothing to earn it.

We live in a society where capitalism has tilted the scale where greed and selfishness is the norm and has no respect for the generations of hard workers that built their success and bails on them for cheaper labor somewhere else. They are giving nothing back into society to maintain its ability to survive for their future or their children's future. This current attitude is destroying America and this is evident in the fact that so many people are dependent on welfare to survive.

The jobs are gone and government is responsible for allowing it to happen and making it difficult for businesses to want to stay here. The consequence of this is a increased number of people on welfare. You can't eliminate jobs and eliminate welfare too, it doesn't work if you want a peaceful society.

Private Pickle
03-01-2013, 02:31 PM
Told ya so. Socialism is a failed philosophy. These poor people are being sent out of their country after paying for the comfortable German soil retirements of preceding generations.

It can't be any clearer than this, Libs. It's a ponzi scheme, and someone always gets screwed in the end. And, Germany is considered the economic powerhouse of the EU!

Now, I know that many of the PF progressives are dogmatic true believers in their pseudo-religion of secular humanist socialism, but you critical thinking progressives and independents have to admit that the welfare state is failing in its own cradle- Europe.

Isn't the first time Germany has exported perceived problems to foreign lands.

bladimz
03-01-2013, 02:33 PM
Uh-oh... here come the "death panels".

If they don't come for your guns, they'll come for your lives!

1784

bladimz
03-01-2013, 02:38 PM
We are not a socialist country, the government pays for welfare not because they don't want anyone to go hungry or homeless, its to prevent the poor from wanting to create a revolution against the government. Its make it safer for you to leave your home every day without being mugged or killed from someone that is hungry and nothing to lose.

A socialist society would not allow most of their manufacturing to leave their country nor would they invest their money overseas. Profits would be used to expand their workforce and make life better for their workers where it is a win win for everyone to survive. The idea that there is a job for everyone based on what they can offer society prevents a welfare population that does nothing to earn it.

We live in a society where capitalism has tilted the scale where greed and selfishness is the norm and has no respect for the generations of hard workers that built their success and bails on them for cheaper labor somewhere else. They are giving nothing back into society to maintain its ability to survive for their future or their children's future. This current attitude is destroying America and this is evident in the fact that so many people are dependent on welfare to survive.

The jobs are gone and government is responsible for allowing it to happen and making it difficult for businesses to want to stay here. The consequence of this is a increased number of people on welfare. You can't eliminate jobs and eliminate welfare too, it doesn't work if you want a peaceful society.The Government not only won't, but can't, stop it from happening, as long as they dance to the corporatists' tune.

Private Pickle
03-01-2013, 02:42 PM
Uh-oh... here come the "death panels".

If they don't come for your guns, they'll come for your lives!

1784

From Paul Krugman, special advisor to the President and his favorite economist:


Krugman, after speaking at the Sixth & I Historic Synagogue in Washington, D.C., was asked about the debt crisis. After arguing it's no big deal in the near term, Krugman admitted that "Eventually we do have a problem. The population is getting older, health care costs are rising ... . Something is going to have to give."
What's that something? According to Krugman, it's middle-class pocketbooks.
"We won't be able to pay for the kind of society we want without some increases in taxes," he said, "and surely in the end it will require some middle-class taxes as well, maybe a value added tax."
That's not all. We're also "going to have to ... really make decisions about health care, (and) not pay for health care that has no demonstrated medical benefits."
In case anyone failed to get what he was talking about, Krugman made it clear, saying the snarky version is:
"Death panels and sales taxes is how we do this."


When was this you may ask? 02/07/2013

Now...tell me again we're being paranoid...

bladimz
03-01-2013, 03:01 PM
From Paul Krugman, special advisor to the President and his favorite economist:


When was this you may ask? 02/07/2013

Now...tell me again we're being paranoid...First, you need to provide a link to the quote that you provided. (Rule #7: When posting articles from other sources, post a link to the article and three or four paragraphs to that article - not the entire article. Referencing the source by posting a link to that source and only a small part of the article adheres to the Fair Use Act.)

Second, this excerpt from whatever article this is:

In case anyone failed to get what he was talking about, Krugman made it clear, saying the snarky version is:
"Death panels and sales taxes is how we do this."The keyword here is "snarky". That's akin to sarcasm.

Private Pickle
03-01-2013, 03:07 PM
First, you need to provide a link to the quote that you provided. (Rule #7: When posting articles from other sources, post a link to the article and three or four paragraphs to that article - not the entire article. Referencing the source by posting a link to that source and only a small part of the article adheres to the Fair Use Act.)

Second, this excerpt from whatever article this is:
The keyword here is "snarky". That's akin to sarcasm.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/020713-643639-death-panels-and-middle-class-taxes-are-coming.htm

yes. It's a sarcastic way of saying that the government will make health decisions based on usefulness to society.

Peter1469
03-01-2013, 04:32 PM
The Government not only won't, but can't, stop it from happening, as long as they dance to the corporatists' tune.

Just don't call it capitalism.

Private Pickle
03-01-2013, 05:16 PM
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/020713-643639-death-panels-and-middle-class-taxes-are-coming.htm

yes. It's a sarcastic way of saying that the government will make health decisions based on usefulness to society.

What no reply? You're just going to ignore it because you voted for the President? Sad state we are in...truly a sad state...

bladimz
03-01-2013, 05:45 PM
What no reply? You're just going to ignore it because you voted for the President? Sad state we are in...truly a sad state...Hi, there. Sorry i didn't get back to you. My secretary reminded me that you were on hold. I hope you weren't holding your breath.

So yes... where were we. Oh, yes. You were saying that i voted for the President. You made a false assumption. But you decided to take the chance. After all, what could happen? Nothing except that you'd be wrong.

So, then. Now that we have that out of the way.

Sarcasm is used to mock the suggestion that "death panels" will be used. There. I think we're done here.

And, if i happen to leave you hanging again, just PM me. Who knows. Maybe i'll respond.

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