Schwarzkopf dies

[exotix]

*Breaking*

Retired Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf Gen. H. Norman Schwarzkopf .... and as you know, who commanded the U.S. led international-coalition that drove Saddam Hussein's forces out of Kuwait in 1991, has died.

He was 78.



http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?se...rld&id=8933922 (http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/national_world&id=8933922)


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[Chris]

It Doesn't Take a Hero is a good book to read about the campaign, especially discussion at the end about why the US didn't take Baghdad.

[Peter1469]

His troops certainly liked him as a commander.

[Captain Obvious]

Oh wow.

RIP.

[oceanloverOH]

RIP, General. :icon_salut:

[Carygrant]

One of your top men . A natural leader .
And loved Grizzly Bears

[shaarona]

It Doesn't Take a Hero is a good book to read about the campaign, especially discussion at the end about why the US didn't take Baghdad.

Thanks.. ....

[shaarona]

His troops certainly liked him as a commander.

His father was instrumental in training and funding the SAVAK in Iran... modeled after the Nazi secret police.

[hanger4]

His father was instrumental in training and funding the SAVAK in Iran... modeled after the Nazi secret police.


Metamorphosing and instrumental in training and funding the SAVAK are too different things Sharroona.

[shaarona]

Metamorphosing and instrumental in training and funding the SAVAK are too different things Sharroona.

Read about the history of Iran circa 1952-53.

Read about Kermit Rosevelt Jr....

[hanger4]

Read about the history of Iran circa 1952-53.

Read about Kermit Rosevelt Jr....

I have read shaarona, the security forces he trained that would be loyal to the Shah later morphed into the feared SAVAK.

He did not train/teach the SAVAK you speak of.

[Peter1469]

His father was instrumental in training and funding the SAVAK in Iran... modeled after the Nazi secret police.

Iran was a critical US ally in the Cold War, until Cater goofed it up.

[shaarona]

I have read shaarona, the security forces he trained that would be loyal to the Shah later morphed into the fearedSAVAK.

He did not train/teach the SAVAK you speak of.

The Mossad also help train the SAVAK.. How long did it take them to "morph" after Mossadeeg was outed in 1953?

[shaarona]

Iran was a critical US ally in the Cold War, until Cater goofed it up.

Not really.. A close friend of mine was a US advisor to the Shah. He said that the CIA had provided intelligence to the Shah mostly against communists. He also said they were all so close to the inner circle of elites and favorites that they were completely blind-sided by the revolution.

Check out Ebrat Museum in Tehran.

http://www.payvand.com/news/12/feb/1092.html

[hanger4]

The Mossad also help train the SAVAK.. How long did it take them to "morph" after Mossadeeg was outed in 1953?

You need to make up your mind shaarona ??

Who trained/taught SAVAK, Mossad, Schwarzkopf SR. or maybe it was the Shah that turned them into the nasty.

[shaarona]

You need to make up your mind shaarona ??

Who trained/taught SAVAK, Mossad, Schwarzkopf SR. or maybe it was the Shah that turned them into the nasty.

Everything I have read indicated Schwarzkopf SR and the Mossad were involved.. but the money came from the US by way of Kermit Roosevelt.

[Peter1469]

Everything I have read indicated Schwarzkopf SR and the Mossad were involved.. but the money came from the US by way of Kermit Roosevelt.

Right. It was in the US national security interest to keep Iran in the US sphere during the Cold War.

[shaarona]

Right. It was in the US national security interest to keep Iran in the US sphere during the Cold War.

Read the oil history of Iran.. The concession was dirt cheap and the revenue share to the Shah was something like 7%... Meanwhile the Saudis negotiated a 50-50 revenue split in 1951..

Mosadeegh wanted that same deal because even tho the Shah was fat, dumb and happy the Iranian people were getting screwed.

The British ultimately raised the revenue share to 13%...

[hanger4]

Everything I have read indicated Schwarzkopf SR and the Mossad were involved.. but the money came from the US by way of Kermit Roosevelt.

And nothing in what you read indicated that Schwarzkopf Sr. made SAVAK the evil it later became.

[shaarona]

And nothing in what you read indicated that Schwarzkopf Sr. made SAVAK the evil it later became.

Remember it was the Cold war so SAVAK was used to assassinate "communists" or imprison all enemies of the Shah... and the Brits got to keep the lions share of the oil money.

[Peter1469]

Read the oil history of Iran.. The concession was dirt cheap and the revenue share to the Shah was something like 7%... Meanwhile the Saudis negotiated a 50-50 revenue split in 1951..

Mosadeegh wanted that same deal because even tho the Shah was fat, dumb and happy the Iranian people were getting screwed.

The British ultimately raised the revenue share to 13%...

Understood.

It was also in the US national security interest to keep Iran in the US sphere during the Cold War.

The Cold War wasn't a game.

[shaarona]

Understood.

It was also in the US national security interest to keep Iran in the US sphere during the Cold War.

The Cold War wasn't a game.

We sure blew it.. I thought Ike was a good president but he got suckered into that one.. The Soviets were not influential in Iran..

[Peter1469]

We sure blew it.. I thought Ike was a good president but he got suckered into that one.. The Soviets were not influential in Iran..

Because Iran was under US influence....

[shaarona]

Because Iran was under US influence....

Yes.. and would have stayed that way if we hadn't tried to kill the Mosadeeg.

The Brits refused a 50-50 split.. so they painted the Mosadeeg as a communist.

We used to go to Iran all the time because it was a short hop from Dhahran.. and my mother played duplicate bridge in Tehran. It was friendly IMO.