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Taxcutter
12-31-2012, 10:22 AM
Does white guilt for slavery/Jim Crow in the US go on forever? Or has a balance been reached or exceeded.

Let’s approach it quantitatively.

The first slaves were sold in Virginia in 1619, but were considered indentured servants and freed after seven years. True slavery didn’t really begin in the colonies until about 1640. Because of the state of agriculture (slaves rarely were used for much else) the only significant number of slaves were in the southern colonies of Georgia, North and South Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, and Delaware although there were a handful in New Jersey as well. So we had slavery in six colonies during the 149 year colonial/revolutionary period of 1640-1789. Six colonies x 149 years = 894 colony years.

During the antebellum Republic, slavery started out in the six original slave colonies and then the slave states of Kentucky (1792), Tennessee (1796), Louisiana (1812), Mississippi (1817), Alabama (1819), Missouri (1821), Arkansas (1836), Florida (1845), and Texas (1845).

So slavery mounted up in the period after 1789 as follows during the time prior to the 13th Amendment in 1865.

Virginia: 1789 to 1865 = 76 years
Maryland: 1789 to 1865 = 76 years
Delaware: 1789 to 1865 = 76 years
North Carolina: 1789 to 1865 = 76 years
South Carolina: 1789 to 1865 = 76 years
Georgia: 1789 to 1865 = 76 years
Kentucky: 1792 to 1865 = 73 years
Tennessee: 1796 to 1865 = 69 years
Louisiana: 1812 to 1865 = 53 years
Mississippi: 1817 to 1865 = 48 years
Alabama: 1819 to 1865 = 46 years
Missouri: 1836 to 1865 = 29 years
Florida: 1845 to 1865 = 20 years
Texas: 1845 to 1865 = 20 years

So added up the US racked up (76+76+76+76+76+76+73+69+53+48+46+29+20+20=) 814 state-years.

Jim Crow (governmentally enforced racial discrimination) only occurred in the eleven Confederacy states of Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Louisiana, Arkansas, and Texas. It began in 1877 when Reconstruction ended and federal troops returned government of the southern states to civil control. While Jim Crow was dealt a crushing blow by the SCOTUS case Brown v. board of Education in 1954, most people believe Jim Crow wasn’t finished off until 1964 with the Voting Rights Bill. So Jim Crow increased the debt by (11 states x (1964-1877)=) 957 state-years.

Adding up the white debt you get
Colonial Period: 894 state-years
Antebellum period: 814 state-years
Jim Crow years: 957 state-years

So totaled up you get (894+814+957=) 2,665 state years.

Against that are two entries.
Twenty-two states fought against slavery for the first two years of the war using exclusively white troops. Black troops did not appear on the battlefield (except as non-combat auxiliaries) until 1863. So we offset 22x2 =44 state-years.

Affirmative Action went into effect in 1961 due to Executive Order 10925, and has been in effect in all 50 states ever since, so this offsets the ‘white debt” by 50 x (2012-1961=) 2,550 state years.

White Debt: 2,665 state-years
White Credit: (2,550+44=) 2,594 state-years

So on New Year’s Eve 2012 we have an outstanding white man’s guilt of (2,665-2,594=) 71 state-years. There is no action pending against affirmative action so the white man’s guilt will expire in 1.42 years or (to put an exact date on it) on May 2, 2014.

After that date all white guilt becomes null and void. Today, it is not dead but is nearing its expiration date and is a feeble idea.

Carygrant
12-31-2012, 10:47 AM
Some guilt can never be assuaged .

Mister D
12-31-2012, 01:23 PM
Some guilt can never be assuaged .

Sucks for you. :smiley:

garyo
12-31-2012, 01:25 PM
Would that mean half of Obama, the shameful White side?

roadmaster
12-31-2012, 02:01 PM
Mine didn't own slaves and I know back to my Great Granddads. Some whites were also slaves and some blacks owned slaves. The only slaves mine had was themselves working farms and their children.

roadmaster
12-31-2012, 05:22 PM
This is what most true southerners get mad at. We are all labeled as racist because a few or less than 1% had slaves. Both my parents, grandparents and great-grandparents worked in the fields. My parents when they were young. They had no slaves and we were taught to respect all people and say yes sir and no sir. Do I have white guilt no. In Charleston SC there use to be before Hugo a place where a long time ago a platform was built where slaves were bought and sold. I can't begin to know how they felt to see their child sold to a person they didn't know. Not knowing if they would be raped, beat or killed. I would never hurt a person like this and am not responsible for their actions.

Adelaide
12-31-2012, 05:46 PM
This is what most true southerners get mad at. We are all labeled as racist because a few or less than 1% had slaves. Both my parents, grandparents and great-grandparents worked in the fields. My parents when they were young. They had no slaves and we were taught to respect all people and say yes sir and no sir. Do I have white guilt no. In Charleston SC there use to be before Hugo a place where a long time ago a platform was built where slaves were bought and sold. I can't begin to know how they felt to see their child sold to a person they didn't know. Not knowing if they would be raped, beat or killed. I would never hurt a person like this and am not responsible for their actions.

Good point. No one should generalise and I can understand why you would resent that or feel angry about it.

Trinnity
12-31-2012, 07:20 PM
I don't feel guilty at all. No reason too. Meh~

Peter1469
12-31-2012, 07:51 PM
My family didn't get here until after 1892.

shaarona
12-31-2012, 07:55 PM
This is what most true southerners get mad at. We are all labeled as racist because a few or less than 1% had slaves. Both my parents, grandparents and great-grandparents worked in the fields. My parents when they were young. They had no slaves and we were taught to respect all people and say yes sir and no sir. Do I have white guilt no. In Charleston SC there use to be before Hugo a place where a long time ago a platform was built where slaves were bought and sold. I can't begin to know how they felt to see their child sold to a person they didn't know. Not knowing if they would be raped, beat or killed. I would never hurt a person like this and am not responsible for their actions.

I have loved the Holy City since 1961 and raised my children in Flowertown.

shaarona
12-31-2012, 07:56 PM
My family didn't get here until after 1892.

White guilt is a stupid thing.. like self hating Jew.. Its meaningless.

Peter1469
12-31-2012, 08:04 PM
White guilt is a stupid thing.. like self hating Jew.. Its meaningless.

But there are elements of truth to both phenomena. I agree it is stupid; but it exists.

shaarona
12-31-2012, 08:18 PM
But there are elements of truth to both phenomena. I agree it is stupid; but it exists.

I am not responsible for what my ancestors did.. just for what I do.

I am not a racist, but I am very discriminating ... regardless of color.

Peter1469
12-31-2012, 08:26 PM
I am not responsible for what my ancestors did.. just for what I do.

I am not a racist, but I am very discriminating ... regardless of color.

I agree. The basis of such guilt is a silly liberal outlook on the world. Of course it doesn't make sense.

shaarona
12-31-2012, 08:48 PM
I agree. The basis of such guilt is a silly liberal outlook on the world. Of course it doesn't make sense.

Pete, my ancestors were Dutch sea captains with the Dutch East Indies company.

Peter1469
12-31-2012, 08:53 PM
Pete, my ancestors were Dutch sea captains with the Dutch East Indies company.

Cool stuff. Mine were Prussians.

Mister D
12-31-2012, 09:26 PM
White guilt is a stupid thing.. like self hating Jew.. Its meaningless.

Indeed, it is stupid but it has been a major factor in the destruction of our state. It's amazing to look at the contrast between white Americans in 1920, for example, and those of today. The latter were unapologetic about this being their home and their civilization.

Mister D
12-31-2012, 09:28 PM
Cool stuff. Mine were Prussians.

Mine are Italians, Poles, and antebellum English. Turns out my mysterious Frenchman was no Frenchman but a blue blood.

Carygrant
01-01-2013, 05:51 AM
Sucks for you. :smiley:


Amazing that three of the biggest comedians have "thanked" for a post not even written in English .
How many Hilly Billy people do you need to change a light bulb ?
You don't actually need any because they are are always in the dark .

Chris
01-01-2013, 01:13 PM
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How many Hilly Billy people do you need to change a light bulb ?
You don't actually need any because they are are always in the dark .

:smiley_ROFLMAO::smiley_ROFLMAO::smiley_ROFLMAO::s miley_ROFLMAO::smiley_ROFLMAO::smiley_ROFLMAO::smi ley_ROFLMAO:

A joke is good if the butt of it can be substituted and still be funny. For example:

How many Limeys do you need to change a light bulb ?
You don't actually need any because they are are always in the dark .

See, it's just as funny with a different butt.