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Common
07-01-2018, 05:50 AM
Those born between 1980 and 2000 are considered Millennials some of the older millenials are now late 28 to 38. At the age they are married work and have kids. Its the age their attitude and political choices start to mature, they are now worried about making a living, the future for their children how much taxs they pay and WHY.

As the Left goes extreme, millennials find themselves agreeing with the Right

When Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., gave a speech (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/maxine-waters-calls-on-individuals-to-block-trump-officials-from-retailers) at a rally against government immigration policy, her message was clear: If you see anyone who’s recognizably affiliated with the Trump administration conducting their private affairs in public, they must be exiled and excised from public life.

This display of hatred, paired with other recent demonstrations by the radical Left, shows a big problem for Democrats: They are alienating portions of their base, pushing many center-left voters to the right.


The Democratic shift towards extremism is well-documented (http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2017/10/05162647/10-05-2017-Political-landscape-release.pdf). Unsurprisingly, the Left’s growing radicalism has taken over the Democratic Party. The malicious parts of their base have driven many left-leaning voters into the arms of the GOP. This is because the center of the Republican Right has only moved a little in the same amount of time it took for the Democratic center to move so far to the left.



This trend is playing out on campus as well and the current state of America’s public school system could be a win for conservatives in the long run. When it comes to college campuses and free speech controversies, polling shows (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/11/08/do-americans-support-free-speech-on-college-campuses-absolutely-except-sometimes/?utm_term=.fdcbe27779be) that people, both Right and Left, seem to be confused about the freedom of speech concept.

Those on the Right contend that due to the far-left nature of America’s universities, any message that runs counter to collectivist ideology is ridiculed and requires a safe space. This, again, will precipitate a win for Republicans. Debate and deliberation are encouraged by young members of the GOP, while many of their leftist counterparts remain calling for censorship, affirmative action, rioting, and segregation on college campuses. The more chaotic the campus becomes, the more moderate young conservative thought will seem.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/red-alert-politics/as-the-left-goes-extreme-millennials-find-themselves-agreeing-with-the-right

midcan5
07-01-2018, 06:19 AM
Extreme? The left is extreme? I don't know what reality you live in but Charlottesville and the alt-right are the extremes in America today. Example below.

"“So what happened this past week?” Hutson asked. “On June 25, Trump – at his South Carolina rally – pointed to members of the media, and called them the enemy of the people. This is a phrase that throughout history has been used by autocrats to incite violence,” from ancient Rome to the French Revolution to Nazi Germany. "

'Exclusive: Accused Annapolis shooter Jarrod Ramos had dark links to the alt-right'

https://www.salon.com/2018/06/30/exclusive-accused-annapolis-shooter-had-deep-dark-links-to-the-alt-right/

https://www.salon.com/2018/05/19/what-more-do-you-need-to-know-about-trump/


"The biggest story in the filthy kike media has been a few lines from Melania's speech which these Jews claim she stole from monkey Michelle," wrote one Trump endorser during the Republican National Convention."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/trump-supporters-neo-nazis-white-nationalists-kkk-militias-racism-hate/


Charlottesville was right out of the Nazi playbook. http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/how-should-we-protest-neonazis-lessons-from-german-history/


"So consider: elderly people of limited means in the United States who are dependent on Medicare for their basic well-being—there are tens of millions of them—are rather clearly “vulnerable people.” Why, then, is it not equally problematic when a powerful congressman, Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, advocates effectively eliminating the program that benefits these vulnerable people, indeed, keeps them alive? “Hatred,” after all, is not the issue as Waldron says, and no one, I assume, thinks Rep. Ryan “hates” the elderly or the poor. He may simply be stupid, or in thrall to an ideology, or defective in empathetic capacity, or beholden to special interests; whatever the explanation, it is clear that his proposals, if enacted, would eventually result in elderly people in need being unable to afford essential healthcare." Brian Leiter review of 'The Harm in Hate Speech' by Jeremy Waldron, http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2101401

Common
07-01-2018, 06:45 AM
Extreme? The left is extreme? I don't know what reality you live in but Charlottesville and the alt-right are the extremes in America today. Example below.

"“So what happened this past week?” Hutson asked. “On June 25, Trump – at his South Carolina rally – pointed to members of the media, and called them the enemy of the people. This is a phrase that throughout history has been used by autocrats to incite violence,” from ancient Rome to the French Revolution to Nazi Germany. "

'Exclusive: Accused Annapolis shooter Jarrod Ramos had dark links to the alt-right'

https://www.salon.com/2018/06/30/exclusive-accused-annapolis-shooter-had-deep-dark-links-to-the-alt-right/

https://www.salon.com/2018/05/19/what-more-do-you-need-to-know-about-trump/


"The biggest story in the filthy kike media has been a few lines from Melania's speech which these Jews claim she stole from monkey Michelle," wrote one Trump endorser during the Republican National Convention."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/trump-supporters-neo-nazis-white-nationalists-kkk-militias-racism-hate/


Charlottesville was right out of the Nazi playbook. http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/how-should-we-protest-neonazis-lessons-from-german-history/


"So consider: elderly people of limited means in the United States who are dependent on Medicare for their basic well-being—there are tens of millions of them—are rather clearly “vulnerable people.” Why, then, is it not equally problematic when a powerful congressman, Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, advocates effectively eliminating the program that benefits these vulnerable people, indeed, keeps them alive? “Hatred,” after all, is not the issue as Waldron says, and no one, I assume, thinks Rep. Ryan “hates” the elderly or the poor. He may simply be stupid, or in thrall to an ideology, or defective in empathetic capacity, or beholden to special interests; whatever the explanation, it is clear that his proposals, if enacted, would eventually result in elderly people in need being unable to afford essential healthcare." Brian Leiter review of 'The Harm in Hate Speech' by Jeremy Waldron, http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2101401

The left is batshit stupid crazy extreme and getting worse and all normal people are seeing it

Admiral Ackbar
07-01-2018, 07:25 AM
Extreme? The left is extreme? I don't know what reality you live in but Charlottesville and the alt-right are the extremes in America today. Example below. ....

You don't think the Left is extreme, Antifa thugs out in Portland just yesterday. Funny their name is Anti-Fascist yet they are in fact the very thing they say the oppose. That my friend is what Authoritarians do. BTW Trump on Charlottesville was right. ( Lets start out by admitting he is ALWAYS right). The Antifa Thugs there had equal if not more blame for everything that happened. You have left wing news organizations calling every one the voted for Trump an Nazi. Let me cut you off at the pass before you go there. I voted for Trump and will again in 2020. So no need to call me Nazi, Racist, Homophobe, Islamaphobe, and or some version of uneducated hick. Check, Check, Check and Check. Have heard it all before and it is all BS laughable crap.

You are wrong the hysteria and the violence are 100% the work of the left. Emerge from your MSNBC/CNN dark cave and see the world as it is not as you want it to be. Everything you cite is from Alinskyite publications.

You sir have been Progagandized!!!!!!!! Still time for you to reclaim your own mind

God Bless America and God Bless Donald Trump

Safety
07-01-2018, 07:26 AM
Confirmation bias is a terrible thing.

Common
07-01-2018, 07:53 AM
Confirmation bias is a terrible thing.

Profound!!!!!!!!!!

Peter1469
07-01-2018, 08:00 AM
The alt right is not the right. And they had adopted the tactics of the hard left. They do it as a way to mock you.
Extreme? The left is extreme? I don't know what reality you live in but Charlottesville and the alt-right are the extremes in America today. Example below.

"“So what happened this past week?” Hutson asked. “On June 25, Trump – at his South Carolina rally – pointed to members of the media, and called them the enemy of the people. This is a phrase that throughout history has been used by autocrats to incite violence,” from ancient Rome to the French Revolution to Nazi Germany. "

'Exclusive: Accused Annapolis shooter Jarrod Ramos had dark links to the alt-right'

https://www.salon.com/2018/06/30/exclusive-accused-annapolis-shooter-had-deep-dark-links-to-the-alt-right/

https://www.salon.com/2018/05/19/what-more-do-you-need-to-know-about-trump/


"The biggest story in the filthy kike media has been a few lines from Melania's speech which these Jews claim she stole from monkey Michelle," wrote one Trump endorser during the Republican National Convention."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/trump-supporters-neo-nazis-white-nationalists-kkk-militias-racism-hate/


Charlottesville was right out of the Nazi playbook. http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/how-should-we-protest-neonazis-lessons-from-german-history/


"So consider: elderly people of limited means in the United States who are dependent on Medicare for their basic well-being—there are tens of millions of them—are rather clearly “vulnerable people.” Why, then, is it not equally problematic when a powerful congressman, Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, advocates effectively eliminating the program that benefits these vulnerable people, indeed, keeps them alive? “Hatred,” after all, is not the issue as Waldron says, and no one, I assume, thinks Rep. Ryan “hates” the elderly or the poor. He may simply be stupid, or in thrall to an ideology, or defective in empathetic capacity, or beholden to special interests; whatever the explanation, it is clear that his proposals, if enacted, would eventually result in elderly people in need being unable to afford essential healthcare." Brian Leiter review of 'The Harm in Hate Speech' by Jeremy Waldron, http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2101401

Chris
07-01-2018, 09:02 AM
Confirmation bias is a terrible thing.

And what bias does antifa confirm?

Chris
07-01-2018, 09:03 AM
The alt right is not the right. And they had adopted the tactics of the hard left. They do it as a way to mock you.

Their aims are also leftwing. They seek the same wages, healthcare, protection from the government as the left does.

Safety
07-01-2018, 09:26 AM
And what bias does antifa confirm?

Ask an antifa.

Safety
07-01-2018, 09:29 AM
LoL @ anyone that thinks the alt-right supports anything other than the conservative ideology. I remember the same justification used for the TEA party about it being for low taxes and other bullshit, but somehow they are nowhere to be found after Obama left office and the fucking debt is still climbing at a rate higher than Obama ever created.

Hacks.

Captdon
07-01-2018, 09:37 AM
Extreme? The left is extreme? I don't know what reality you live in but Charlottesville and the alt-right are the extremes in America today. Example below.

"“So what happened this past week?” Hutson asked. “On June 25, Trump – at his South Carolina rally – pointed to members of the media, and called them the enemy of the people. This is a phrase that throughout history has been used by autocrats to incite violence,” from ancient Rome to the French Revolution to Nazi Germany. "

'Exclusive: Accused Annapolis shooter Jarrod Ramos had dark links to the alt-right'

https://www.salon.com/2018/06/30/exclusive-accused-annapolis-shooter-had-deep-dark-links-to-the-alt-right/

https://www.salon.com/2018/05/19/what-more-do-you-need-to-know-about-trump/


"The biggest story in the filthy $#@! media has been a few lines from Melania's speech which these Jews claim she stole from monkey Michelle," wrote one Trump endorser during the Republican National Convention."

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/09/trump-supporters-neo-nazis-white-nationalists-kkk-militias-racism-hate/


Charlottesville was right out of the Nazi playbook. http://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/how-should-we-protest-neonazis-lessons-from-german-history/


"So consider: elderly people of limited means in the United States who are dependent on Medicare for their basic well-being—there are tens of millions of them—are rather clearly “vulnerable people.” Why, then, is it not equally problematic when a powerful congressman, Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, advocates effectively eliminating the program that benefits these vulnerable people, indeed, keeps them alive? “Hatred,” after all, is not the issue as Waldron says, and no one, I assume, thinks Rep. Ryan “hates” the elderly or the poor. He may simply be stupid, or in thrall to an ideology, or defective in empathetic capacity, or beholden to special interests; whatever the explanation, it is clear that his proposals, if enacted, would eventually result in elderly people in need being unable to afford essential healthcare." Brian Leiter review of 'The Harm in Hate Speech' by Jeremy Waldron, http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2101401

One example in 16 months. Your side is at it every day. Yes, you are the side of hate and violence.

Captdon
07-01-2018, 09:39 AM
Confirmation bias is a terrible thing.

Yet, you always go there.

Captdon
07-01-2018, 09:40 AM
Ask an antifa.

He did.

Chris
07-01-2018, 09:44 AM
LoL @ anyone that thinks the alt-right supports anything other than the conservative ideology. I remember the same justification used for the TEA party about it being for low taxes and other bullshit, but somehow they are nowhere to be found after Obama left office and the fucking debt is still climbing at a rate higher than Obama ever created.

Hacks.

Since you claim the alt-right supports conservative position, then give some examples to support your claim.

Here's one well-known alt-rightist, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGhXo_a5NAM



The Tea Partiers are criticizing the current Congressional spending spree.

Mini Me
07-01-2018, 10:21 AM
You don't think the Left is extreme, Antifa thugs out in Portland just yesterday. Funny their name is Anti-Fascist yet they are in fact the very thing they say the oppose. That my friend is what Authoritarians do. BTW Trump on Charlottesville was right. ( Lets start out by admitting he is ALWAYS right). The Antifa Thugs there had equal if not more blame for everything that happened. You have left wing news organizations calling every one the voted for Trump an Nazi. Let me cut you off at the pass before you go there. I voted for Trump and will again in 2020. So no need to call me Nazi, Racist, Homophobe, Islamaphobe, and or some version of uneducated hick. Check, Check, Check and Check. Have heard it all before and it is all BS laughable crap.

You are wrong the hysteria and the violence are 100% the work of the left. Emerge from your MSNBC/CNN dark cave and see the world as it is not as you want it to be. Everything you cite is from Alinskyite publications.

You sir have been Progagandized!!!!!!!! Still time for you to reclaim your own mind

God Bless America and God Bless Donald Trump



I am Saul Alinsky and I object to your villainous slander of my character!

Safety
07-01-2018, 12:02 PM
He did.

Then what was your response to him?

Safety
07-01-2018, 12:03 PM
Since you claim the alt-right supports conservative position, then give some examples to support your claim.

Here's one well-known alt-rightist, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGhXo_a5NAM



The Tea Partiers are criticizing the current Congressional spending spree.

Nothing is more definitive than who the self-identified alt-right supports or votes for. Let me know if you need an explanation of how cold ice is as well.

Chris
07-01-2018, 12:08 PM
Nothing is more definitive than who the self-identified alt-right supports or votes for. Let me know if you need an explanation of how cold ice is as well.

IOW, you can't identify alt-right conservative positions and ignore their declarations of being on the left.

Mister D
07-01-2018, 12:08 PM
Nothing is more definitive than who the self-identified alt-right supports or votes for. Let me know if you need an explanation of how cold ice is as well.
Nothing more definitive except what they actually argue and stand for. lol

Ransom
07-01-2018, 02:00 PM
It's called growing up. Becoming a man or woman. The GOP gets votes from married women as well, even Romney won married women and it's clear as to why. Married women often head of the household finances. Much more likely to be employed, have children, pay taxes.

Maturity moves you right. Immaturity moves you left. A well known fact.

Ransom
07-01-2018, 02:03 PM
Nothing is more definitive than who the self-identified alt-right supports or votes for. Let me know if you need an explanation of how cold ice is as well.
The exception being your vote for Hillary. After she colluded with the DNC to rob Bernie of the primary and then obstructed the investigation into her email server. That night will forever haunt you, Safety. Prepare for Trump's July 9th selection for Supreme Court Justice, my guess it won't be an RBG/Sotomayor/Kagan?

Safety
07-01-2018, 07:44 PM
IOW, you can't identify alt-right conservative positions and ignore their declarations of being on the left.

IOW, if you had a clue to what you are talking about, you wouldn’t make a dumbass statement like you just did. They don’t call themselves alt-right because they support liberal ideologies....

Chris
07-01-2018, 08:51 PM
IOW, if you had a clue to what you are talking about, you wouldn’t make a dumbass statement like you just did. They don’t call themselves alt-right because they support liberal ideologies....

IOW, you can't identify alt-right conservative positions and ignore their declarations of being on the left.

Mister D
07-01-2018, 08:57 PM
They seem to think "alt" means extreme.

Safety
07-01-2018, 08:58 PM
Maybe someone else would like to engage the mynah bird in an endless argument that lasts for pages, I don't have the want or time.

Mister D
07-01-2018, 08:59 PM
Maybe someone else would like to engage the mynah bird in an endless argument that lasts for pages, I don't have the want or time.
What you lack is the knowledge and intellectual capacity. Time you obviously have. You're here all day for the drama.

Mister D
07-01-2018, 09:01 PM
IOW, you can't identify alt-right conservative positions and ignore their declarations of being on the left.
I always enjoyed pointing out to Polly, another "alt-right" squawker, that the this alt right is much closer to her economically than American conservatives.

Chris
07-01-2018, 09:02 PM
They seem to think "alt" means extreme.

The odd thing here is the source they cite as their witnesses for naming the alt-right that is Spencer. But soon as you let Spencer speak and he says he's a socialist against the right, they treat him as a hostile witness.

Mister D
07-01-2018, 09:04 PM
The odd thing here is the source they cite as their witnesses for naming the alt-right that is Spencer. But soon as you let Spencer speak and he says he's a socialist against the right, they treat him as a hostile witness.
Their political vocabulary is derived from liberal op eds.

Chris
07-01-2018, 09:04 PM
Maybe someone else would like to engage the mynah bird in an endless argument that lasts for pages, I don't have the want or time.

IOW, you can't identify alt-right conservative positions and ignore their declarations of being on the left.

Safety
07-01-2018, 09:07 PM
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Mister D
07-01-2018, 09:10 PM
IOW, you can't identify alt-right conservative positions and ignore their declarations of being on the left.
It's just that he doesn't have the time. lol

Chris
07-01-2018, 09:11 PM
Their political vocabulary is derived from liberal op eds.

True. It's connection to Spencer is tenuous at best.

Another connection to the left is his identity politics:


Spencer, who is president of the far-right National Policy Institute, has previously said he rejects the label of white supremacist and instead calls himself an “identitarian”. He supports a white homeland for a “dispossessed white race” and calls for “peaceful ethnic cleansing” to put a stop to the “deconstruction” of European culture.

On Saturday, Spencer told the New York Times he was not a Nazi but was simply a member of the "alt-right" which he refers to as “identity politics for white Americans and for Europeans around the world".

@ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alt-right-richard-spencer-punched-anti-donald-trump-protest-meme-pepe-the-frog-inauguration-day-a7541461.html


(And I doubt Spencer understands the Nouvelle Droite roots of Identitariansim in France.)

Chris
07-01-2018, 09:12 PM
It's just that he doesn't have the time. lol

Or the want. :thinking:

Mister D
07-01-2018, 09:17 PM
True. It's connection to Spencer is tenuous at best.

Another connection to the left is his identity politics:



@ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/alt-right-richard-spencer-punched-anti-donald-trump-protest-meme-pepe-the-frog-inauguration-day-a7541461.html


(And I doubt Spencer understands the Nouvelle Droite roots of Identitariansim in France.)
Honestly, I really don't know much about him except that his rhetoric is classically left in certain respects. Judging from what I've seen of course. What's funny is that American progressives made this guy much more well known than he would otherwise have been. I have had a decade long interest in this sort of politics and I had never heard of this guy until progressives started talking about him.

Chris
07-01-2018, 09:18 PM
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Mister D
07-01-2018, 09:19 PM
Or the want. :thinking:
He's in the Hole hanging out with silvereyes right now. He seems much more interested in drama.

Chris
07-01-2018, 09:19 PM
Honestly, I really don't know much about him except that his rhetoric is classically left in certain respects. Judging from what I've seen of course. What's funny is that American progressives made this guy much more well known than he would otherwise have been. I have had a decade long interest in this sort of politics and I had never heard of this guy until progressives started talking about him.

They needed a scapegoat after the Tea Parties faded. So they invented one.

Mister D
07-01-2018, 09:21 PM
They needed a scapegoat after the Tea Parties faded. So they invented one.

I'm sure he's grateful. They've done him a favor.

Captdon
07-02-2018, 02:31 PM
Then what was your response to him?

I choose what I respond to. You don't.

Ransom
07-02-2018, 02:39 PM
Maybe someone else would like to engage the mynah bird in an endless argument that lasts for pages, I don't have the want or time.

You do have the whine though