Why Does Trump Have Supporters?

[jet57]

So, this is the question I have for Trump supporters here. After all the mess, the nepotism, the lying, the Russia probe that clearly shows that Trump’s campaign was up to its neck in nefarious dealings with its top players being charged with felonies and criminal connections, Trump’s continued intentional divisiveness and expensive campaigning whipping up his base with exaggerations and out right untruthfulness, with the western countries clearly looking down on the US because of Trump’s isolationists tactics, how can his “supporters” continue to not only like him, but believe he is doing a great job and that he actually has the welfare of this country on his top priority list?

Can you answer that?

[Admiral Ackbar]

So, this is the question I have for Trump supporters here. After all the mess, the nepotism, the lying, the Russia probe that clearly shows that Trump’s campaign was up to its neck in nefarious dealings with its top players being charged with felonies and criminal connections, Trump’s continued intentional divisiveness and expensive campaigning whipping up his base with exaggerations and out right untruthfulness, with the western countries clearly looking down on the US because of Trump’s isolationists tactics, how can his “supporters” continue to not only like him, but believe he is doing a great job and that he actually has the welfare of this country on his top priority list?

Can you answer that?

Maybe the bigger questions you should think about is. Perhaps all those MSNBC talking points may not be true.

[HawkTheSlayer]

Just carrying on the Obama tradition! :icon_salut::thumbsup20:

[Admiral Ackbar]

The most divisive President in US history was Barrack Hussein. Everything he said was about putting people into boxes. His would be successor called half the country Deplorable. You want to know why Trump has support? He has called BS on the Identity Politics, The arrogant dismissal of half the country, the government knows best infiltration of the most fine details of everyday life, the political corruption, the double dealing and weak knee'd foreign policy, selling us out to the Chinese. BTW the Old Hag that ran against Trump was around for 40 years in public life. She defined the stench of corruption.

Hope that helps you understand

[Chloe]

The most divisive President in US history was Barrack Hussein. Everything he said was about putting people into boxes. His would be successor called half the country Deplorable. You want to know why Trump has support? He has called BS on the Identity Politics, The arrogant dismissal of half the country, the government knows best infiltration of the most fine details of everyday life, the political corruption, the double dealing and weak knee'd foreign policy, selling us out to the Chinese. BTW the Old Hag that ran against Trump was around for 40 years in public life. She defined the stench of corruption.

Hope that helps you understand
Just curious, but do you think that Trump actually believes everything he says and also actually relates to many of his positions and promises or do you think he is exploiting the moment and in turn exploiting his supporters for political gain and power? Basically, do you think Trump genuinely cares about what happens to the country, and also to conservatives and supporters, after he is no longer president?

[Admiral Ackbar]

Just curious, but do you think that Trump actually believes everything he says and also actually relates to many of his positions and promises or do you think he is exploiting the moment and in turn exploiting his supporters for political gain and power? Basically, do you think Trump genuinely cares about what happens to the country, and also to conservatives and supporters, after he is no longer president?
Yes

[Chris]

Just curious, but do you think that Trump actually believes everything he says and also actually relates to many of his positions and promises or do you think he is exploiting the moment and in turn exploiting his supporters for political gain and power? Basically, do you think Trump genuinely cares about what happens to the country, and also to conservatives and supporters, after he is no longer president?

No.

In answer to the OP, because people were tired of liberal BS and Trump stood as a populist against it.

I support some things he's done, like deregulation and tax cuts. I don't support his tariffs. His first court nomination was a good choice, hoping the next is.

[stjames1_53]

So, this is the question I have for Trump supporters here. After all the mess, the nepotism, the lying, the Russia probe that clearly shows that Trump’s campaign was up to its neck in nefarious dealings with its top players being charged with felonies and criminal connections, Trump’s continued intentional divisiveness and expensive campaigning whipping up his base with exaggerations and out right untruthfulness, with the western countries clearly looking down on the US because of Trump’s isolationists tactics, how can his “supporters” continue to not only like him, but believe he is doing a great job and that he actually has the welfare of this country on his top priority list?

Can you answer that?

so far, your faith in Mueller is sadly misplaced. You actually want Pence in office? IS that what you really want?
Let's take a look at that.
So far, Mueller has nothing on Trump. His other charges against a couple of others is not proof of anything about Trump and in fact has nothing to do with any Russian Collusion or whatever you want to call it. If Mueller had anything that even closely resembled that, he would have Trump up on charges by now.
If you get Trump out of office, are you going to after Pence to get him out of office? By then, the Alt-Left would have exposed itself as the traitors they are and the public wont have a damned thing to do with it. Pence is not so forgiving nor will he take a limp wristed approach to handling such as the likes of Mueller.
So, be careful what you wish for...................
So maybe now you'll share with us what was taken from you when Trump was elected.

[stjames1_53]

So, this is the question I have for Trump supporters here. After all the mess, the nepotism, the lying, the Russia probe that clearly shows that Trump’s campaign was up to its neck in nefarious dealings with its top players being charged with felonies and criminal connections, Trump’s continued intentional divisiveness and expensive campaigning whipping up his base with exaggerations and out right untruthfulness, with the western countries clearly looking down on the US because of Trump’s isolationists tactics, how can his “supporters” continue to not only like him, but believe he is doing a great job and that he actually has the welfare of this country on his top priority list?

Can you answer that?

why does Hillary have her supporters? She has abused the office of SoS, ran a pay for play scheme involving her foundation,. and deceived the FBI about her devices and lost 33,000 emails some of which were found on Weiner's laptop? She and her husband have left a trail of bodies from AK to DC...... what's to compare?

[barb012]

The economy is doing very well under Trump where if Clinton was President, she would have signed more NAFTA agreements thus losing more jobs. I absolutely do not want open borders where Trump is trying his best to change that. Our American culture was previously being replaced with all of these immigrants culture which is dangerous for the US since it weakens us as a nation.

Clinton was so corrupt and absolutely does not care at all about people in this country, doesn't care about women's rights as she claims and would have continued the destruction that Obama did behind the scenes where Trump wants this country to succeed.

The dishonest left wing media is using their bias to sway their voter base from knowing all of the accomplishments that Trump has done and continually make up lies about this president. However, they do not realize that their behavior will turn their voters to switch to the other side.

[Captdon]

Just curious, but do you think that Trump actually believes everything he says and also actually relates to many of his positions and promises or do you think he is exploiting the moment and in turn exploiting his supporters for political gain and power? Basically, do you think Trump genuinely cares about what happens to the country, and also to conservatives and supporters, after he is no longer president?

A dumb question to ask his supporters. Why would we care?

[Crepitus]

So, this is the question I have for Trump supporters here. After all the mess, the nepotism, the lying, the Russia probe that clearly shows that Trump’s campaign was up to its neck in nefarious dealings with its top players being charged with felonies and criminal connections, Trump’s continued intentional divisiveness and expensive campaigning whipping up his base with exaggerations and out right untruthfulness, with the western countries clearly looking down on the US because of Trump’s isolationists tactics, how can his “supporters” continue to not only like him, but believe he is doing a great job and that he actually has the welfare of this country on his top priority list?

Can you answer that?

Gullible people need leaders too?

[jet57]

Maybe the bigger questions you should think about is. Perhaps all those MSNBC talking points may not be true.
But they ARE true; that's the problem for Trump and his supporters. News stations and papers around the globe are pointing out the lying, so how can you support a guy like that? If OBAMA had even a speck of the nonsense that Trump brought with himself and has stirred up since, the cry for impeachment could be heard from the moon!

So, seriously, how can you support a guy who is the antithesis of a responsible commander and chief?

[jet57]

Just carrying on the Obama tradition! :icon_salut::thumbsup20:

So you support Trump because he's carrying on the Obama tradition?

[jet57]

The most divisive President in US history was Barrack Hussein. Everything he said was about putting people into boxes. His would be successor called half the country Deplorable. You want to know why Trump has support? He has called BS on the Identity Politics, The arrogant dismissal of half the country, the government knows best infiltration of the most fine details of everyday life, the political corruption, the double dealing and weak knee'd foreign policy, selling us out to the Chinese. BTW the Old Hag that ran against Trump was around for 40 years in public life. She defined the stench of corruption.

Hope that helps you understand

Sorry but this is not an Obama thread. Well, it wasn't half the country to be sure and you site doubling dealing as though Trump is a Boy Scout... I don't get that.

[Common]

why does Hillary have her supporters? She has abused the office of SoS, ran a pay for play scheme involving her foundation,. and deceived the FBI about her devices and lost 33,000 emails some of which were found on Weiner's laptop? She and her husband have left a trail of bodies from AK to DC...... what's to compare?

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[jet57]

The economy is doing very well under Trump where if Clinton was President, she would have signed more NAFTA agreements thus losing more jobs. I absolutely do not want open borders where Trump is trying his best to change that. Our American culture was previously being replaced with all of these immigrants culture which is dangerous for the US since it weakens us as a nation.

Clinton was so corrupt and absolutely does not care at all about people in this country, doesn't care about women's rights as she claims and would have continued the destruction that Obama did behind the scenes where Trump wants this country to succeed.

The dishonest left wing media is using their bias to sway their voter base from knowing all of the accomplishments that Trump has done and continually make up lies about this president. However, they do not realize that their behavior will turn their voters to switch to the other side.

As for the economy under Trump; as I recall it was up up before he took office adn now...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/05/trump-says-u-s-economy-may-be-the-greatest-in-history-lets-check-the-record/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.60269a049e87


On the campaign trail, Trump liked to call the Obama economy “weak” and “anemic.” He often pointed to 2 percent economic growth as puny and said he could achieve growth of 4 or 5 percent a year. Yet under Trump so far, the economy isn’t growing much faster than it did under Obama. In his first year in office, economy grew by 2.3 percent. It’s possible to argue that Trump’s policies had not taken effect, but the economy grew by just 2.2 percent in the first quarter of this year.

There are lots of other articles that will back up this one. Trump isn't doing the country, or anybody else any favors.

[Chris]

As for the economy under Trump; as I recall it was up up before he took office adn now...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/06/05/trump-says-u-s-economy-may-be-the-greatest-in-history-lets-check-the-record/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.60269a049e87



[/FONT][/COLOR]There are lots of other articles that will back up this one. Trump isn't doing the country, or anybody else any favors.


Except that source doesn't actually support your argument. What it says, and anyone can and should read it, is that the economy is doing better under Trump, but it's not as good as the 1990s or other previous booms.


...There are many ways to judge an economy, but the typical measures are growth, jobs, wages, inflation and debt. Inequality also usually gets tossed into the mix.

In today’s economy, jobs are plentiful, the stock market is at record levels and confidence — both business and consumer — is high. Inflation has also remained tame. But growth, while showing signs of picking up, is still below what it was in many eras. Wage growth is also disappointing compared with what it was in prior boom times, and the deficit has also surged, which experts warn could be a drag on the economy for yeas to come.

Let’s break down the good, the so-so and the not great parts of the current economy. (And let’s add the caveat that presidents usually get more credit for good or bad economic times than they probably deserve.)

...Bottom line: Most economists call this a very solid time for the U.S. economy. Some even call it “hot” or “strong.” But they aren’t calling it history-making.

[nathanbforrest45]

Just curious, but do you think that Trump actually believes everything he says and also actually relates to many of his positions and promises or do you think he is exploiting the moment and in turn exploiting his supporters for political gain and power? Basically, do you think Trump genuinely cares about what happens to the country, and also to conservatives and supporters, after he is no longer president?

Yes, of course. Don't you believe everything you post on this forum?

[Mister D]

Sorry but this is not an Obama thread. Well, it wasn't half the country to be sure and you site doubling dealing as though Trump is a Boy Scout... I don't get that.

Like the meaning of estate and corporate. There are a lot of things you "don't get" but the membership gets that by now. :)

[Chloe]

A dumb question to ask his supporters. Why would we care?
I know atleast for me i'd like to know if the person that i'm supporting, especially when it comes to something like the presidency, is genuine or if he or she is just pandering or placating in order to achieve a hidden goal. I'm not saying that Trump is but i'm curious if most conservatives and republicans are looking at his actions in a short sided way. After all, he is only going to be in office four years, maximum of eight. There is a future beyond and as we've seen in many elections the tide does turn.

[Admiral Ackbar]

Gullible people need leaders too?


lol so funny perhaps some self examination is needed

[Chloe]

Yes, of course. Don't you believe everything you post on this forum?
Yes, however, i'm not attaching my beliefs and hopes to one man and one man alone.

[Admiral Ackbar]

You are correct! It was a majority of states that elected him. In a Republic that is no small matter. So yes it was more than half the country

[Mister D]

Yes, however, i'm not attaching my beliefs and hopes to one man and one man alone.
Neither is anyone else.

[Chloe]

Neither is anyone else.
oh come on D. You and I both know that Trump has a bit of cult of personality going right now.

[Mister D]

oh come on D. You and I both know that Trump has a bit of cult of personality going right now.
You may think so and that's nice but, again, no one is "attaching their beliefs and hopes to one man". You don't like having yourself caricatured, right? Reciprocate. I supported Trump. I will vote for him again should he run. He has already delivered a SCJ. Another is on the horizon.

[nathanbforrest45]

Yes, however, i'm not attaching my beliefs and hopes to one man and one man alone.
I don't either. I hope the entire Senate will wake up and start abiding by the Constitution once again. I hope the common man wakes up and realizes he is selling his soul to the devil by demanding many of the programs the Socialist Democrats are offering.

To answer the question of why does Trump have any "followers" I will submit to you that we don't "follow President Donald Trump". Mr. Trump does what his supporters want out of government, which is to say as little government as possible.

Why would anyone believe the lies of the Democratic Party? What promise have they ever kept without costing their constituents a lost of their freedoms?

[jet57]

You are correct! It was a majority of states that elected him. In a Republic that is no small matter. So yes it was more than half the country

Republicans can win a majority of states, but like Montana, they no populations. Trump won because of the electoral vote. I can understand flipping off the system by voting for Trump, but I just cannot understand the dying support he gets for nothing but trouble.

[Common]

Yes, however, i'm not attaching my beliefs and hopes to one man and one man alone.
Chloe, you have this all botched up, I never take you on in the sense disagree with you but I have to with this.

You seem to forget the 8 yrs of obama and the difference in the way the press treated him starting from the second he announced he was running and before the primary and then compare it to the way Trump was treated starting the same time frame. Its clear that obamas DOJ was complicit to some degree with the FBI and Obama admin to set trump up from day one. Trump supporters HAVE A RIGHT to be enraged.

The mainstream media have had more retractions than ever before in the same time frame. They put out fake news for consumption by the mass's plant the seed then give a small retraction a week later, thats a media ploy to get out want they want to true or not.

Your an extremely intelligent young woman, if you think objectively all thats happened in the last 9.5 yrs I think you would conclude that theres no good guys in this and that Obama intentionally created this huge divide racially and politically because he believed when he won his second term that they were going to keep winning the entire enchilada.

[Common]

Like the meaning of estate and corporate. There are a lot of things you "don't get" but the membership gets that by now. :)
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[Robo]

So, this is the question I have for Trump supporters here. After all the mess, the nepotism, the lying, the Russia probe that clearly shows that Trump’s campaign was up to its neck in nefarious dealings with its top players being charged with felonies and criminal connections, Trump’s continued intentional divisiveness and expensive campaigning whipping up his base with exaggerations and out right untruthfulness, with the western countries clearly looking down on the US because of Trump’s isolationists tactics, how can his “supporters” continue to not only like him, but believe he is doing a great job and that he actually has the welfare of this country on his top priority list?


Can you answer that?

YES!


If there is evidence that the Trump campaign committed illegal acts with the Russians, how come nobody has been indicted from the Trump campaign for any such thing?


How do you define "isolationism?" Trump is having interactive relationships with every nation on planet earth, he simply takes no crap from so-called allies and enemies alike. That's commendable in my neighborhood.


Black and Hispanic unemployment at record lows. A roaring economy. Deregulating Obama's unelected bureaucrat's insane regulations choking the economy. A likely 4% GDP in the present quarter. Making the European members of NATO pony up their committed share of their GDP for the defense of Europe. Taking on the Chinese and our so-called allies over their unfair trade ripoffs of America. Appointing a constitutionalist, originalist, litteralist judge to the Supreme Court and about to appoint another one from the same cloth.


Aside from Trump's trash-mouth and exaggerations, what's not to like as compared to his last half dozen, (did nothing), predecessors? And I didn't even vote for the man but I likely will next time.

[Chloe]

Chloe, you have this all botched up, I never take you on in the sense disagree with you but I have to with this.

You seem to forget the 8 yrs of obama and the difference in the way the press treated him starting from the second he announced he was running and before the primary and then compare it to the way Trump was treated starting the same time frame. Its clear that obamas DOJ was complicit to some degree with the FBI and Obama admin to set trump up from day one. Trump supporters HAVE A RIGHT to be enraged.

The mainstream media have had more retractions than ever before in the same time frame. They put out fake news for consumption by the mass's plant the seed then give a small retraction a week later, thats a media ploy to get out want they want to true or not.

Your an extremely intelligent young woman, if you think objectively all thats happened in the last 9.5 yrs I think you would conclude that theres no good guys in this and that Obama intentionally created this huge divide racially and politically because he believed when he won his second term that they were going to keep winning the entire enchilada.
Much of the same people who always mocked Obama’s supporters as being worshipers treat Trump in the exact same way. When Obama was elected I was inspired and hoped that he would be successful even though I voted for Stein. Over his eight years he did a few things that I liked regarding environmental initiatives but overall he failed to live up to the hype and to his promises. Trump campaigned in a polar opposite way. He basically made it known that he is the president for the people who vote for him and support him and he’s shown that so far in my opinion. Clearly if you like Trump you are thrilled with him and clap when he insults everyone who dares challenge him and for diminishing the importance of the press due to negative coverage because after eight years of Obama there is this weird feeling of entitlement and justification from many on the right to be absolute jerks and bullies when in reality his staunch supporters are no different than Obama’s were but just in a different way.

Millions of angry voters on the right are embracing Trump because he is sticking it to the left, to the press, to anybody that doesn’t show MAGA. While that feels good after eight years of perceived plight and irrelevancy under Obama it’s only dividing the country more than ever. Many on the left aren’t innocent of this either when they say and do things that block any chance of trying to work together by attaching stigmas to people and comparing Trump to fascism, but to sit back and act like it’s your turn to be ass holes and to stick it to the left because you have the power now is just as immature and harmful to the country. In my opinion once Trump is out of office the country might, might start to heal due to the absence of the current fully presidentially endorsed divisive rhetoric and to a more level headed president that tries to balance the needs and desires of both sides of the spectrum.

My own personal opinions about Trump aside and my profound anger and disappointment at his administrations efforts to undo any progress we might have had as a country towards environmental health and sustainment aside, it’s not your turn to stick it to the other side. If Trump can’t bring himself to work with the left and embrace the other half he country that didn’t vote for him then another four to eight years of this is going to tear us apart. Both radical sides need to stop seeing each other as the enemy. Unfortunately Trump and much of his supporters want to see the opposition as the enemy just as much as many on the left in antifa, Hollywood, and so on want to see the right as the enemy. It’s not going to be civil war, that’s just hyperbole, but it will be decades of absolutely no trust in the other side and decades of vindictive politics.

[Tahuyaman]

Just curious, but do you think that Trump actually believes everything he says and also actually relates to many of his positions and promises or do you think he is exploiting the moment and in turn exploiting his supporters for political gain and power? Basically, do you think Trump genuinely cares about what happens to the country, and also to conservatives and supporters, after he is no longer president?Trump is a jerk no doubt, but I believe he does care about the nation as a whole. He obviously wants the American people to be prosperous and secure. I believe he is sincere when he talks about raising the standard of living for those who have been left behind.

[Tahuyaman]

Much of the same people who always mocked Obama’s supporters as being worshipers treat Trump in the exact same way. When Obama was elected I was inspired and hoped that he would be successful even though I voted for Stein. Over his eight years he did a few things that I liked regarding environmental initiatives but overall he failed to live up to the hype and to his promises. Trump campaigned in a polar opposite way. He basically made it known that he is the president for the people who vote for him and support him and he’s shown that so far in my opinion. Clearly if you like Trump you are thrilled with him and clap when he insults everyone who dares challenge him and for diminishing the importance of the press due to negative coverage because after eight years of Obama there is this weird feeling of entitlement and justification from many on the right to be absolute jerks and bullies when in reality his staunch supporters are no different than Obama’s were but just in a different way.

Millions of angry voters on the right are embracing Trump because he is sticking it to the left, to the press, to anybody that doesn’t show MAGA. While that feels good after eight years of perceived plight and irrelevancy under Obama it’s only dividing the country more than ever. Many on the left aren’t innocent of this either when they say and do things that block any chance of trying to work together by attaching stigmas to people and comparing Trump to fascism, but to sit back and act like it’s your turn to be ass holes and to stick it to the left because you have the power now is just as immature and harmful to the country. In my opinion once Trump is out of office the country might, might start to heal due to the absence of the current fully presidentially endorsed divisive rhetoric and to a more level headed president that tries to balance the needs and desires of both sides of the spectrum.

My own personal opinions about Trump aside and my profound anger and disappointment at his administrations efforts to undo any progress we might have had as a country towards environmental health and sustainment aside, it’s not your turn to stick it to the other side. If Trump can’t bring himself to work with the left and embrace the other half he country that didn’t vote for him then another four to eight years of this is going to tear us apart. Both radical sides need to stop seeing each other as the enemy. Unfortunately Trump and much of his supporters want to see the opposition as the enemy just as much as many on the left in antifa, Hollywood, and so on want to see the right as the enemy. It’s not going to be civil war, that’s just hyperbole, but it will be decades of absolutely no trust in the other side and decades of vindictive politics.

Nonsense.

[The Xl]

There are plenty of issues to be had with Trump, but most of what you listed is nonsense or unsubstantiated conjecture.

[Tahuyaman]

Why Does Trump Have Supporters?Many people support the ideas of less taxation, less government regulations and a strong national defense.

[Chloe]

Nonsense.
You’re lazy.

[MisterVeritis]

You’re lazy.
I laughed.

[The Xl]

Why Does Trump Have Supporters?

Many people support the ideas of less taxation, less government regulations and a strong national defense.
Small government, waging illegal warfare against Syria, pick one.

[Captdon]

I know atleast for me i'd like to know if the person that i'm supporting, especially when it comes to something like the presidency, is genuine or if he or she is just pandering or placating in order to achieve a hidden goal. I'm not saying that Trump is but i'm curious if most conservatives and republicans are looking at his actions in a short sided way. After all, he is only going to be in office four years, maximum of eight. There is a future beyond and as we've seen in many elections the tide does turn.

He is achieving or trying to achieve my goals. I don't care if he believes in them. I can't see too far ahead and no one can. I don't know what might be an issue ten years from now. Regardless, he can't do anything about it. He can't control the tide.

Ask yourself the same question about Obama. You don't know if he believed anything he said or did. He can't do anything about it. Ask yourself- if he was so true to you why is Trump President?

See, it doesn't really matter.

[Captdon]

But they ARE true; that's the problem for Trump and his supporters. News stations and papers around the globe are pointing out the lying, so how can you support a guy like that? If OBAMA had even a speck of the nonsense that Trump brought with himself and has stirred up since, the cry for impeachment could be heard from the moon!

So, seriously, how can you support a guy who is the antithesis of a responsible commander and chief?

No, they aren't true. They may be the truth if you want them to be but they aren't. You asked why he has supporters and then argue about why we support him. I think I know why i support him better than you do.

[Captdon]

oh come on D. You and I both know that Trump has a bit of cult of personality going right now.
as did Obama for his 8 years. So what? Why is it okay unless it's Trump?

[Captdon]

Republicans can win a majority of states, but like Montana, they no populations. Trump won because of the electoral vote. I can understand flipping off the system by voting for Trump, but I just cannot understand the dying support he gets for nothing but trouble.

You see trouble. I don't. There's the rub.

[Tahuyaman]

You’re lazy.
You are a naive idealist. One day you will grow up.

[Chris]

A song for jet...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSTHOqO6A7Q

[Tahuyaman]

Small government, waging illegal warfare against Syria, pick one.
That’s an odd combination.

[Tahuyaman]

Much of the same people who always mocked Obama’s supporters as being worshipers treat Trump in the exact same way. When Obama was elected I was inspired and hoped that he would be successful even though I voted for Stein. Over his eight years he did a few things that I liked regarding environmental initiatives but overall he failed to live up to the hype and to his promises. Trump campaigned in a polar opposite way. He basically made it known that he is the president for the people who vote for him and support him and he’s shown that so far in my opinion. Clearly if you like Trump you are thrilled with him and clap when he insults everyone who dares challenge him and for diminishing the importance of the press due to negative coverage because after eight years of Obama there is this weird feeling of entitlement and justification from many on the right to be absolute jerks and bullies when in reality his staunch supporters are no different than Obama’s were but just in a different way.

Millions of angry voters on the right are embracing Trump because he is sticking it to the left, to the press, to anybody that doesn’t show MAGA. While that feels good after eight years of perceived plight and irrelevancy under Obama it’s only dividing the country more than ever. Many on the left aren’t innocent of this either when they say and do things that block any chance of trying to work together by attaching stigmas to people and comparing Trump to fascism, but to sit back and act like it’s your turn to be ass holes and to stick it to the left because you have the power now is just as immature and harmful to the country. In my opinion once Trump is out of office the country might, might start to heal due to the absence of the current fully presidentially endorsed divisive rhetoric and to a more level headed president that tries to balance the needs and desires of both sides of the spectrum.

My own personal opinions about Trump aside and my profound anger and disappointment at his administrations efforts to undo any progress we might have had as a country towards environmental health and sustainment aside, it’s not your turn to stick it to the other side. If Trump can’t bring himself to work with the left and embrace the other half he country that didn’t vote for him then another four to eight years of this is going to tear us apart. Both radical sides need to stop seeing each other as the enemy. Unfortunately Trump and much of his supporters want to see the opposition as the enemy just as much as many on the left in antifa, Hollywood, and so on want to see the right as the enemy. It’s not going to be civil war, that’s just hyperbole, but it will be decades of absolutely no trust in the other side and decades of vindictive politics.
When you were in college, did you hear of the concept of “economy of words”?

[Jeb!]

I was for Cruz first, but there are no Democrats I trust to have power so I may as well back Trump.

[nathanbforrest45]

Personally, I believe the entire premise of this thread was nothing more than trolling. It completely disrespects any notion of a difference of opinion and seems to dismiss those that disagree with the OP as being stupid and unable to think for themselves.

[countryboy]

So, this is the question I have for Trump supporters here. After all the mess, the nepotism, the lying, the Russia probe that clearly shows that Trump’s campaign was up to its neck in nefarious dealings with its top players being charged with felonies and criminal connections, Trump’s continued intentional divisiveness and expensive campaigning whipping up his base with exaggerations and out right untruthfulness, with the western countries clearly looking down on the US because of Trump’s isolationists tactics, how can his “supporters” continue to not only like him, but believe he is doing a great job and that he actually has the welfare of this country on his top priority list?

Can you answer that?

Because thinking people can see through the leftist propaganda.

[Tahuyaman]

Why Does Trump Have Supporters?
For the same reasons every President has his supporters, or opponents for that matter. It’s actually a dumb question.

[Tahuyaman]

So, this is the question I have for Trump supporters here. After all the mess, the nepotism, the lying, the Russia probe that clearly shows that Trump’s campaign was up to its neck in nefarious dealings with its top players being charged with felonies and criminal connections, Trump’s continued intentional divisiveness and expensive campaigning whipping up his base with exaggerations and out right untruthfulness, with the western countries clearly looking down on the US because of Trump’s isolationists tactics, how can his “supporters” continue to not only like him, but believe he is doing a great job and that he actually has the welfare of this country on his top priority list?

Can you answer that?

where is it clearly shown that the Trump campaign was up to its neck in nefarious dealings with the Russians? You might want to hand that info over te Mueller. After all, he hasn’t found any evidence of that.

[Lummy]

Can you answer that?

No. If you don't understand, it probably can't be explained to you anyway.

[Chris]

Why Does Trump Have Supporters?
For the same reasons every President has his supporters, or opponents for that matter. It’s actually a dumb question.

It was dumb because the OP presents a strawman answer that jet has demonstrated he's unwilling to let go of which he needs to do in order to openly listen to supporter's answers.

[jet57]

Because thinking people can see through the leftist propaganda.

And what propaganda would that be?

Secondly, I guess you don't know why you support Trump.

[Captdon]

And what propaganda would that be?

Secondly, I guess you don't know why you support Trump.

You wrote a piece of propaganda and then ask how e could support someone like that.

How can anyone have supported Clinton? She placed our country in danger with secret server. She pretended to support women as long as Bill didn't have sex with them. Why did she have any supporters?

See how that works? We aren't stupid.

[Tahuyaman]

It was dumb because the OP presents a strawman answer that jet has demonstrated he's unwilling to let go of which he needs to do in order to openly listen to supporter's answers.
That strawman will be presented until the last day Trump is in office whether that’s in January 2021 or 2025.

[Tahuyaman]

And what propaganda would that be?....Trump / Russian collusion.

[Chloe]

When you were in college, did you hear of the concept of “economy of words”?
Next time i'll keep it super super simple for you.

[Tahuyaman]

Next time i'll keep it super super simple for you.Economy of words. Look it up.

[Chloe]

Economy of words. Look it up.

I did. If you don't have the patience or ability to read through a few paragraphs during a discussion then that's on you.

[Tahuyaman]

I did. If you don't have the patience or ability to read through a few paragraphs during a discussion then that's on you.
I don’t have the patients to read a 200 word statement when 25 words Would have been enough.

[jimmyz]

IMO the author of the OP has little to no understanding of who "Trump supporters" really are.

[Tahuyaman]

Next time i'll keep it super super simple for you. Did you ever take an effective or technical writing course in college?

[Admiral Ackbar]

I can explain it to you, but I can't make you understand!

[jet57]

IMO the author of the OP has little to no understanding of who "Trump supporters" really are.


Well then, that would be your job then wouldn't it. Against all of it, who are Trump supporters?

[jimmyz]

Well then, that would be your job then wouldn't it. Against all of it, who are Trump supporters?

Lets use tPF. We have Trump supporters with law degrees, a bus driver, an aerospace component business owner and ex-cops to name few. DGUtley, Boris, me and Tahu respectively. The idea that Trump supporters are outliers in society is wrong. We are everywhere... maybe teaching your kid or giving them medical treatment. We may be putting your house fire out or cleaning your office.We are everywhere as you found out and hopefully continue in doing so.

[Common]

A song for jet...
TB'd by Author Request
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSTHOqO6A7Q

[Common]

Well then, that would be your job then wouldn't it. Against all of it, who are Trump supporters?

Trump supporters are no different that obama supporters, Obama was elected after 8 yrs of bush and americans weary of war. Trump was elected after 8 yrs of Obama doing nothing.

T

[jet57]

Lets use tPF. We have Trump supporters with law degrees, a bus driver, an aerospace component business owner and ex-cops to name few. DGUtley, Boris, me and Tahu respectively. The idea that Trump supporters are outliers in society is wrong. We are everywhere... maybe teaching your kid or giving them medical treatment. We may be putting your house fire out or cleaning your office.We are everywhere as you found out and hopefully continue in doing so.

I never said that all of his supporters were outliers. Being a supporter then, against all of the factual negative stuff on the guy, why do you still report him? That's the amazing part to me in all of this. I can't even imagine the hue and cry if a democratic president had all this lined up against him, so is there some hypocrisy going on? I mean, those on the right are still screaming about what a liar and thief Hillary is, so I just don't get it...

[jet57]

Trump supporters are no different that obama supporters, Obama was elected after 8 yrs of bush and americans weary of war. Trump was elected after 8 yrs of Obama doing nothing.


T


But did Obama steal from "university students"? Did Obama have an affair with a porn start? Did Obama's campaign hire money launderers connected to the Russian mob? Did Obama ask that Russia be brought back into an international committee?

I mean, it just amazes me that with all that against Trump, his supporters act like there's nothing wrong. That's the meat of the question, and thus far that part of it has been either side stepped or outright ignored by his supporters here in the thread.

[Common]

Everything obama has done has been kept a secret by the press, like him being personal friends with racist extraordinaire Louis Farrakhan and buying a house right next door to him. I could go on but its a waste of time

[jet57]

YES!


If there is evidence that the Trump campaign committed illegal acts with the Russians, how come nobody has been indicted from the Trump campaign for any such thing?


How do you define "isolationism?" Trump is having interactive relationships with every nation on planet earth, he simply takes no crap from so-called allies and enemies alike. That's commendable in my neighborhood.


Black and Hispanic unemployment at record lows. A roaring economy. Deregulating Obama's unelected bureaucrat's insane regulations choking the economy. A likely 4% GDP in the present quarter. Making the European members of NATO pony up their committed share of their GDP for the defense of Europe. Taking on the Chinese and our so-called allies over their unfair trade ripoffs of America. Appointing a constitutionalist, originalist, litteralist judge to the Supreme Court and about to appoint another one from the same cloth.


Aside from Trump's trash-mouth and exaggerations, what's not to like as compared to his last half dozen, (did nothing), predecessors? And I didn't even vote for the man but I likely will next time.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

People ARE being indicted.

So all of that still being the case, you support Trump as president.

[jet57]

No, they aren't true. They may be the truth if you want them to be but they aren't. You asked why he has supporters and then argue about why we support him. I think I know why i support him better than you do.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

That's not true? Trump didn't have an affair on his wife with a porn queen? Trump didn't say "grab women by the *****? Trump hasn't hired members of his immediate family into his cabinet? Trump hasn't started a trade war? Trumps doesn't lie habitually?

None of those things are true? And yet you support him...

That's the interesting thing to me; I wanted to exercise that phenomenon.

[jet57]

You see trouble. I don't. There's the rub.

Trump's people are being indicted, Trump is playing up to Putin, NK hasn't done any-thing after being recognized by the United States, a trade war is on, the European leaders are now united against the US, and you don't see a problem...

[jet57]

You wrote a piece of propaganda and then ask how e could support someone like that.

How can anyone have supported Clinton? She placed our country in danger with secret server. She pretended to support women as long as Bill didn't have sex with them. Why did she have any supporters?

See how that works? We aren't stupid.

I wrote propaganda? Asking people why they support Donald Trump in the face of all the trouble he's brought to this country is propaganda?

Really...

[Captdon]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

That's not true? Trump didn't have an affair on his wife with a porn queen? Trump didn't say "grab women by the *****? Trump hasn't hired members of his immediate family into his cabinet? Trump hasn't started a trade war? Trumps doesn't lie habitually?

None of those things are true? And yet you support him...

That's the interesting thing to me; I wanted to exercise that phenomenon.

You have been told here and in other threads. We like what he has done for America. He is doing what he promised.

You want us to say something you feel and that isn't going to happen. You lost and can't handle it. That's on you.

[jet57]

You have been told here and in other threads. We like what he has done for America. He is doing what he promised.

You want us to say something you feel and that isn't going to happen. You lost and can't handle it. That's on you.

I haven't lost anything; I've learned, and that was the point.

[DGUtley]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

None of these indictments have anything to do with Trump's conduct.


That's not true? Trump didn't have an affair on his wife with a porn queen?

He allegedly had sex with this porn queen. I don't know whether it is true or not. I pay claims that I don't owe every day, so it would not surprise me if someone paid hush money to avoid a hassle even if someone is innocent. I presume it's true, though. Powerful people do stupid things, just like everybody else. The American People didn't care and elected him anyways. We've been over this, a choice had to be made and he was a better choice than her for reasons which I've already explained umpteen times.


Trump didn't say "grab women by the *****?

He did in locker room banter. The American People didn't care as he was elected anyway. We've been over this, a choice had to be made and he was a better choice than her for reasons which I've already explained umpteen times.


Trump hasn't hired members of his immediate family into his cabinet?

He has not.


Trump hasn't started a trade war?

Trump has tried to balance the inequities of the current trade situation by imposing tariffs. Our trading partners have threatened a trade war.


Trumps doesn't lie habitually?

He does exaggerate and engage in puffery habitually. He does have a tendency to stretch the truth.

[Captdon]

Trump's people are being indicted, Trump is playing up to Putin, NK hasn't done any-thing after being recognized by the United States, a trade war is on, the European leaders are now united against the US, and you don't see a problem...

Trump's people are being indicted for pissy things. Trump isn't being accused of anything by Mueller.

How is Trump playing up to Putin? He blew the Hell out of Putin's client state. Here some news for you: Russia is a major nuclear power. Better to talk than to chance a war with them.


There is no trade war. There are steps to it if the rest of the world keep charging us high tariff and expect us to take it.

We have not recognized NK.

European leaders aren't united against us. France and Germany are not Europe.

You see what you want to see.

[barb012]

I don't understand democratic supporters that want open borders leading this country into total chaos. There is no message of what they want for American citizens so they can obtain a better life.

[Lummy]

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury

People ARE being indicted.

So all of that still being the case, you support Trump as president.

Article says ...

Mueller’s team has either indicted or gotten guilty pleas from 20 people and three companies — that we know of. That group is composed of four former Trump advisers, 14 Russian nationals, three Russian companies, one California man, and one London-based lawyer. Five of these people (including three former Trump aides) have already pleaded guilty.

None of the charges against Americans or Trump advisers so far have directly alleged that they worked with Russia to interfere with the campaign.

Other reported focuses of Mueller’s investigation — such as the hacking and leaking of prominent Democrats’ emails and potential obstruction of justice by the Trump administration — have not resulted in any indictments yet ...
[and]
... Two ex-Trump advisers lied to the FBI about their contacts with Russians.

You can tally up numbers, but you haven't indicated you know anything about analyzing the charges. You're dabbling in false, malicious innuendo.

The fact of Hillary's total disregard for national security strongly suggests that had she een elected, Putin and/or China would be running a puppet US government, with input from every third world government that hates America. That's how close technology has brought us to that real possibility, and it has Democrats' fingerprints all over it going back to Bill Clinton.

Nothing to do with Trump, however. Democrats are wholy responsible for the crap he is wading through now.


Trump's people are being indicted, Trump is playing up to Putin, NK hasn't done any-thing after being recognized by the United States, a trade war is on, the European leaders are now united against the US, and you don't see a problem...

:flag:


Trump didn't have an affair on his wife with a porn queen? Trump didn't say "grab women by the *****? Trump hasn't hired members of his immediate family into his cabinet? Trump hasn't started a trade war? Trumps doesn't lie habitually?

None of those things are true? And yet you support him...

That's the interesting thing to me; I wanted to exercise that phenomenon.

What exactly are you charging him with -- an appearance of things you find icky?

:occasion18:

[jet57]

Article says ...


You can tally up numbers, but you haven't indicated you know anything about analyzing the charges. You're dabbling in false, malicious innuendo.

The fact of Hillary's total disregard for national security strongly suggests that had she een elected, Putin and/or China would be running a puppet US government, with input from every third world government that hates America. That's how close technology has brought us to that real possibility, and it has Democrats' fingerprints all over it going back to Bill Clinton.

Nothing to do with Trump, however. Democrats are wholy responsible for the crap he is wading through now.



:flag:



What exactly are you charging him with -- an appearance of things you find icky?

:occasion18:

The point of the thread is not argue column A against column B; the point is to find out why - given all the negative and shady dealings, you support Trump, and also, now that I think of it, folks such as yourself will yell about Democrats who have nowhere near the goings on that Trump does?

[jet57]

I don't understand democratic supporters that want open borders leading this country into total chaos. There is no message of what they want for American citizens so they can obtain a better life.

I've not heard one Democrat call for open boarders, but that's another subject.

[jet57]

You have been told here and in other threads. We like what he has done for America. He is doing what he promised.

You want us to say something you feel and that isn't going to happen. You lost and can't handle it. That's on you.

Okay, what has Trump done for America? And what is he doing that he promised to do?

And it's not what I feel, it's trying to figure out his supporters.

[MisterVeritis]

Wise people will plan for a total of eight Trump years. The rest of you will complain.

[Lummy]

... now that I think of it, folks such as yourself will yell about Democrats who have nowhere near the goings on that Trump does?

Your straw is so moldly no one with a lick of sense would use it for anything.

[Lummy]

The point of the thread is not argue column A against column B; the point is to find out why - given all the negative and shady dealings, you support Trump, and also, now that I think of it, folks such as yourself will yell about Democrats who have nowhere near the goings on that Trump does?
Column A against Column B? What are you talking about?

Wouldn't it be preferable to simply eliminate -- or better, control -- opposition to do the bidding of progressives?

Frankly, I think you're simply trolling, as like on a lark -- perhaps because it makes you feel intelligent or something.

[Lummy]

If some weird moral crusade you be on, please describe and cite the basis for it. Thanks.

[jimmyz]

I never said that all of his supporters were outliers. Being a supporter then, against all of the factual negative stuff on the guy, why do you still report him? That's the amazing part to me in all of this. I can't even imagine the hue and cry if a democratic president had all this lined up against him, so is there some hypocrisy going on? I mean, those on the right are still screaming about what a liar and thief Hillary is, so I just don't get it...
If I had to use one word... partisanship.

Trump supporters felt for many years that no one in DC spoke for or to them. Trump has figured out a way to reach them.

[Captdon]

IMO the author of the OP has little to no understanding of who "Trump supporters" really are.

He doesn't care. He wanted a battle. He's still mad at finding out we didn't get our employement benefits from him.

[Captdon]

But did Obama steal from "university students"? Did Obama have an affair with a porn start? Did Obama's campaign hire money launderers connected to the Russian mob? Did Obama ask that Russia be brought back into an international committee?

I mean, it just amazes me that with all that against Trump, his supporters act like there's nothing wrong. That's the meat of the question, and thus far that part of it has been either side stepped or outright ignored by his supporters here in the thread.

*sigh* Again. We don't care what he did. We cared about what he'd do. That's as simple as i can make it.

He stated his policies and it was what we wanted. We knew he would grab the Court from the liberals and save our country from court governing.

What reason would we have to vote for Clinton. She thought we were deplorable ans too stupid to know what was best for us. She would have destroyed us with her Court appointments. She is a thief and has no concern for national security. Her mental breakdown after losing shows us how close to insane she is. some choice.

[Captdon]

The point of the thread is not argue column A against column B; the point is to find out why - given all the negative and shady dealings, you support Trump, and also, now that I think of it, folks such as yourself will yell about Democrats who have nowhere near the goings on that Trump does?

If you only wanted to know why we support him you wouldn't be arguing with us. We already know why we support him. You're the one who doesn't get it. Why challenge us if you seek information? You sought a battle and now wish you hadn't.

[Captdon]

I've not heard one Democrat call for open boarders, but that's another subject.

Not securing the border is the same thing. Don't treat us as if we are stupid.

[Captdon]

Okay, what has Trump done for America? And what is he doing that he promised to do?

And it's not what I feel, it's trying to figure out his supporters.

He made a great choice for SCOTUS and is about to do it again.

He rolled back some asinine regulations.

He told NATO to pay their fair share.

He cut taxes.

He told the world we are not going to keep being suckers for trade.

He is trying to control our borders.

He isn't being an ass kisser.

There's more but that already more than Obama did or that Clinton would have.

[jet57]

If I had to use one word... partisanship.

Trump supporters felt for many years that no one in DC spoke for or to them. Trump has figured out a way to reach them.

I'm not partisan either. Yes I think that Trump does speak to his base, he's not been too good at speaking to anybody else though, particularly our allies; what do you think about that?

[jet57]

Your straw is so moldly no one with a lick of sense would use it for anything.

(chuckle)

Avoid, avoid, avoid.

[jet57]

Column A against Column B? What are you talking about?

Wouldn't it be preferable to simply eliminate -- or better, control -- opposition to do the bidding of progressives?

Frankly, I think you're simply trolling, as like on a lark -- perhaps because it makes you feel intelligent or something.

Frankly I don;t think you have the gonads to deal with the questions.

A vs B: this side vs that side, Republican vs Democrat, right-wing vs left-wing; get it now: I'm not arguing any of that.

So I'll give to you once more: the point is to find out why - given all the negative and shady dealings, you support Trump, and also, now that I think of it, folks such as yourself will yell about Democrats who have nowhere near the goings on that Trump does?

Did you comprehend that okay? It's two very simple questions.

[jimmyz]

I'm not partisan either. Yes I think that Trump does speak to his base, he's not been too good at speaking to anybody else though, particularly our allies; what do you think about that?

If he dissed an ally I more than likely believe it is for the US Trump supporter's consumption. More playing his shtick horn.

[jet57]

If he dissed an ally I more than likely believe it is for the US Trump supporter's consumption. More playing his shtick horn.
So, you think that foreign policy is shtick? He dissed the UK, the WTO, Germany, the UN, Canada, Mexico, the Hague, and the vast majority of the American people AND our government.

Shtick?

[jet57]

He made a great choice for SCOTUS and is about to do it again.

He rolled back some asinine regulations.

He told NATO to pay their fair share.

He cut taxes.

He told the world we are not going to keep being suckers for trade.

He is trying to control our borders.

He isn't being an ass kisser.

There's more but that already more than Obama did or that Clinton would have.
Those are personal; preferences; what has done for the whole? And three of those don't count at all.

[Cletus]

I'm not partisan either. Yes I think that Trump does speak to his base, he's not been too good at speaking to anybody else though, particularly our allies; what do you think about that?
Our allies hear every word he says. They may not always like it, but they don't need to. They just need to listen.

[jet57]

If you only wanted to know why we support him you wouldn't be arguing with us. We already know why we support him. You're the one who doesn't get it. Why challenge us if you seek information? You sought a battle and now wish you hadn't.
(chuckle)

Dude, I'm not arguing with an of you. I'm picking your brains and asking you questions and giving you challenges to figure out exactly why you support Trump.


And I'm doin just fine. You're apparently getting all worked up over nothing.

[jimmyz]

So, you think that foreign policy is shtick? He dissed the UK, the WTO, Germany, the UN, Canada, Mexico, the Hague, and the vast majority of the American people AND our government.
Shtick?


You can attach your own perception of his actions and what will come of them. I do not give it more importance than rhetoric from a unique politician. I don't fear him like you do.

[jet57]

Not securing the border is the same thing. Don't treat us as if we are stupid.

No they're not the same, not even close.

[Cletus]

No they're not the same, not even close.

For all practical purposes, they are the same. Denying that is just a way to avoid responsibility for the obvious truth.

[jet57]

Your post got lost in mine


You can attach your own perception of his actions and what will come of them. I do not give it more importance than rhetoric from a unique politician. I don't fear him like you do.I'm not giving you my perceptions. I'm giving you conclusions reported by people all over the world and what Trump says and odes without any help from anybody else.

Look, you guys (his base) think he's signing your tune and handling things in a bombastic rude way that you guys like. You think that the rest of the world has given us nothing but shit, and it's time we gave it back - through Trump.

I get that.

Why don't think that his - rock throwing... won't backfire on US and make things worse?

[jet57]

Our allies hear every word he says. They may not always like it, but they don't need to. They just need to listen.
And if they decide not to? What then?

[Cletus]

And if they decide not to? What then?

They will.

If you had even a basic understanding of geopolitics, that would be obvious to you.

[jet57]

For all practical purposes, they are the same. Denying that is just a way to avoid responsibility for the obvious truth.
No, they're not. More and more are coming across; he hasn't secured anything. He's taken children hostage, but he hasn't secured anything.

[jet57]

They will.

If you had even a basic understanding of geopolitics, that would be obvious to you.

(chuckle)

What gives you the slightest idea that our allies are going to listen?

Thrall me with your geopolitical genius when you anwser.

[Cletus]

No, they're not. More and more are coming across; he hasn't secured anything. He's taken children hostage, but he hasn't secured anything.

Get out of the way and allow the President to properly secure the borders and there will not be "more and more" coming across.

He has taken no children hostage. Are you lying about that or do you also just not understand that issue any more than you do our relationship with the rest of the world? You have said a lot of things in this thread that simply are not true. For the moment at least, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and attribute that to ignorance rather than malice.

Oh... before you do the thread ban thing, you should read Rule 10. It requires an actual violation of forum rules in order to ban someone from a thread. It takes more than just "I don't like him". People tend to forget that, including those who should know better.

[jimmyz]

Your post got lost in mine

I'm not giving you my perceptions. I'm giving you conclusions reported by people all over the world and what Trump says and odes without any help from anybody else.

Look, you guys (his base) think he's signing your tune and handling things in a bombastic rude way that you guys like. You think that the rest of the world has given us nothing but shit, and it's time we gave it back - through Trump.

I get that.

Why don't think that his - rock throwing... won't backfire on US and make things worse?

Take the NorK issue. A year ago Trump called him "Rocketman" in front of the UN General Assembly. I thought it was brilliant trolling and Trump's detractors were embarrassed for the man and the US. That doesn't matter. What matters is we are talking and all the teeth-gnashing on the Left's side when Lil Kim Un was firing ballistic missiles into the Pacific and "Oh my God the West Coast is next!" has dissipated.

Trumps is not just talking to us, his base, his words are being listened to by world actors just as Cletus stated.

[Cletus]

(chuckle)

What gives you the slightest idea that our allies are going to listen?

Thrall me with your geopolitical genius when you anwser.

It is really very simple. Even you should be able to understand it.

Donald Trump is the President of the United States of America. That alone guarantees the whole world listens when he speaks.

Now, the question you meant to ask is "Why should they comply". I will give you chance to try to figure out the answer to that on your own. If you can't do it, let me know and I will at least try to help you.

[jet57]

Get out of the way and allow the President to properly secure the borders and there will not be "more and more" coming across.

He has taken no children hostage. Are you lying about that or do you also just not understand that issue any more than you do our relationship with the rest of the world? You have said a lot of things in this thread that simply are not true. For the moment at least, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and attribute that to ignorance rather than malice.

Oh... before you do the thread ban thing, you should read Rule 10. It requires an actual violation of forum rules in order to ban someone from a thread. It takes more than just "I don't like him". People tend to forget that, including those who should know better.

More later; I'm going to have steaks and salad and watch Red Sparrow (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2873282/).

But! on the thread ban thing; you should read up on tpf threads... I've had trollers thread banned. So far you're not trolling: your definitely upset, but you're not trolling.

I'll be back later.

[Cletus]

Take the NorK issue. A year ago Trump called him "Rocketman" in front of the UN General Assembly. I thought it was brilliant trolling and Trump's detractors were embarrassed for the man and the US. That doesn't matter. What matters is we are talking and all the teeth-gnashing on the Left's side when Lil Kim Un was firing ballistic missiles into the Pacific and "Oh my God the West Coast is next!" has dissipated.

Trumps is not just talking to us, his base, his words are being listened to by world actors just as Cletus stated.

Nailed it.

Almost everything he says is intended for a far wider audience than just those he is addressing directly.

[Cletus]

More later; I'm going to have steaks and salad and watch Red Sparrow (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2873282/).

But! on the thread ban thing; you should read up on tpf threads... I've had trollers thread banned. So far you're not trolling: your definitely upset, but you're not trolling.

I'll be back later.

I am not even a little bit upset.

I find you to be in pretty much equal parts, humorous, annoying and pitiable. Enjoy your dinner and movie.

[MisterVeritis]

I'm not partisan either. Yes I think that Trump does speak to his base, he's not been too good at speaking to anybody else though, particularly our allies; what do you think about that?
Let's see if our (socialist) allies step up and meet their defense commitments. If they do he spoke to them correctly.

If not he spoke as he needed to. We can reduce our presence in western Europe. We can increase it in Eastern Europe if it is in our interest.

[MisterVeritis]

No, they're not. More and more are coming across; he hasn't secured anything. He's taken children hostage, but he hasn't secured anything.
The left has no credibility. We have a couple million people in jails all over the country. Did we lock the kids up with the lawbreaker?

You are dishonest. It is because of people like you this nation's problems will be resolved through violent, bloody means.

[jimmyz]

The left has no credibility. We have a couple million people in jails all over the country. Did we lock the kids up with the lawbreaker?

You are dishonest. It is because of people like you this nation's problems will be resolved through violent, bloody means.

The Left's use of purposeful misinformation and hyperbole is due to malformation of their frontal lobe.

[jet57]

Get out of the way and allow the President to properly secure the borders and there will not be "more and more" coming across.

He has taken no children hostage. Are you lying about that or do you also just not understand that issue any more than you do our relationship with the rest of the world? You have said a lot of things in this thread that simply are not true. For the moment at least, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and attribute that to ignorance rather than malice.

Oh... before you do the thread ban thing, you should read Rule 10. It requires an actual violation of forum rules in order to ban someone from a thread. It takes more than just "I don't like him". People tend to forget that, including those who should know better.

Trump has already said that separating children is a warning to any other parents; that's taking hostages.

I do understand the problem very well: it's out of control and there are too many American employers hiring these people.

Our relationship to the rest of the world was one of leadership up until the Iraq invasion.

Trump speaks your language so you feel like your concerns are being represented.

[jet57]

None of these indictments have anything to do with Trump's conduct.



He allegedly had sex with this porn queen. I don't know whether it is true or not. I pay claims that I don't owe every day, so it would not surprise me if someone paid hush money to avoid a hassle even if someone is innocent. I presume it's true, though. Powerful people do stupid things, just like everybody else. The American People didn't care and elected him anyways. We've been over this, a choice had to be made and he was a better choice than her for reasons which I've already explained umpteen times.



He did in locker room banter. The American People didn't care as he was elected anyway. We've been over this, a choice had to be made and he was a better choice than her for reasons which I've already explained umpteen times.



He has not.



Trump has tried to balance the inequities of the current trade situation by imposing tariffs. Our trading partners have threatened a trade war.



He does exaggerate and engage in puffery habitually. He does have a tendency to stretch the truth.

As for family members: https://www.thedailybeast.com/meet-the-trump-officials-making-government-a-family-business

All of the indictments have to do with Trump's conduct, that's why people are pleading guilty and turning on him like Michael Cohen.

He had sex with a porn queen while he was married. He's admitted the pay off.

There was no locker room banter, that is how Trump thinks and it's clear to see in how he behaves daily.

As far as the trade war, his style of making a deal garners him enemies.

And Trump lies habitually.

Against all that, you support him; that's what I wanted to know. Thanks.

[jet57]

*sigh* Again. We don't care what he did. We cared about what he'd do. That's as simple as i can make it.

He stated his policies and it was what we wanted. We knew he would grab the Court from the liberals and save our country from court governing.

What reason would we have to vote for Clinton. She thought we were deplorable ans too stupid to know what was best for us. She would have destroyed us with her Court appointments. She is a thief and has no concern for national security. Her mental breakdown after losing shows us how close to insane she is. some choice.

The first line in your post tells me everything I wanted know; thanks.

[Captdon]

So, you think that foreign policy is shtick? He dissed the UK, the WTO, Germany, the UN, Canada, Mexico, the Hague, and the vast majority of the American people AND our government.

Shtick?

He's wrong. He says America First and that means our national interest are more important than another nation's national interest. We have no reason to place the US second to any one. That's all it means.

[Captdon]

Those are personal; preferences; what has done for the whole? And three of those don't count at all.

They're why I voted for him. i don't care about your reasons. You asked a question. You can't determine what mine are. You say three of them don't count. You don't get to decide what counts to me or anyone else.

These are for the whole. If you think differently then Obama did nothing for the whole. Don't be ridiculous.

Now, do you really want to know why we support him or are you just pissing around?

[Captdon]

(chuckle)

Dude, I'm not arguing with an of you. I'm picking your brains and asking you questions and giving you challenges to figure out exactly why you support Trump.


And I'm doin just fine. You're apparently getting all worked up over nothing.

No, you are making statements about what we believe as if we don't really think that way. I'm not worked up. L'm saying you don't want to know.

[Captdon]

Your post got lost in mine

I'm not giving you my perceptions. I'm giving you conclusions reported by people all over the world and what Trump says and odes without any help from anybody else.

Look, you guys (his base) think he's signing your tune and handling things in a bombastic rude way that you guys like. You think that the rest of the world has given us nothing but $#@!, and it's time we gave it back - through Trump.

I get that.

Why don't think that his - rock throwing... won't backfire on US and make things worse?

What's the world going to do? We are the moneybag. We are the only power NATO has. We are the major market for both China and Europe. Why do we have to act like sissies?

Obama did that and what did we gain. The world didn't respect him, they laughed at his weakness. Now, that's why I support Trump. How can you argue why I do? If I cared what you believed I would have asked. If I thought like you I would have voted for Clinton.

[Captdon]

No, they're not. More and more are coming across; he hasn't secured anything. He's taken children hostage, but he hasn't secured anything.

He did what you boy allso did.

[Captdon]

And if they decide not to? What then?

Cut them loose. What do you think? Europe is dependent on us for their freedom? Russian would blackmail them with their nukes if we walked away. They aren't that stupid and neither are the Japanese or Koreans.

[Captdon]

What a dishonest thread. You didn't want to know a damn thing. You wanted to continue the 2016 election.

Get over or or not. Trump is President and will be until Jan. 20, 2025. Like it: hate it; doesn't matter.

I'm going to an honest thread. P.S. You didn't get anyone their benefits.

[Cletus]

Trump has already said that separating children is a warning to any other parents; that's taking hostages.

I will need to see a quote in context to believe that.


I do understand the problem very well: it's out of control and there are too many American employers hiring these people.

If we were allowed to effectively control the borders, they wouldn't be here to hire.


Our relationship to the rest of the world was one of leadership up until the Iraq invasion.

It still is.


Trump speaks your language so you feel like your concerns are being represented.
I am an old soldier. I don't mince words. I don't mind offending people if I think they need to be offended. I tend to say what I am thinking and don't worry too much about what is politically correct. In that regard, Trump and I do speak the same language. I find his bluntness honest and refreshing. His willingness to confront his detractors and engage them in the gutter if necessary, is the kind of bare knuckle leadership this country needs to recover from the damage done by his predecessor. I don't agree with everything he says. I don't always agree with the way he says it. However, the fact that he doesn't hesitate to say what he is actually thinking instead of presenting some screened and sanitized version of what he is thinking is a very good thing.

[Jets]

I’m not a Trump supporter, but his shock jock style is getting him notice. Whether one supports him or not, his stance and rhetoric on immigration as well as his direct dealing with NK garnered attention. If one can’t be famous one can become infamous.

jmo

[jet57]

They're why I voted for him. i don't care about your reasons. You asked a question. You can't determine what mine are. You say three of them don't count. You don't get to decide what counts to me or anyone else.

These are for the whole. If you think differently then Obama did nothing for the whole. Don't be ridiculous.

Now, do you really want to know why we support him or are you just pissing around?
(chuckle)

Dude, I asked you what Trump has done for the whole country. Three of the other things you listed were not accomplishments so they don't count. But as for benefits for the whole country, you have nothing, and you still support him.

That's okay, I'm just squaring your posiiion up.

[jet57]

I will need to see a quote in context to believe that.



If we were allowed to effectively control the borders, they wouldn't be here to hire.



It still is.


I am an old soldier. I don't mince words. I don't mind offending people if I think they need to be offended. I tend to say what I am thinking and don't worry too much about what is politically correct. In that regard, Trump and I do speak the same language. I find his bluntness honest and refreshing. His willingness to confront his detractors and engage them in the gutter if necessary, is the kind of bare knuckle leadership this country needs to recover from the damage done by his predecessor. I don't agree with everything he says. I don't always agree with the way he says it. However, the fact that he doesn't hesitate to say what he is actually thinking instead of presenting some screened and sanitized version of what he is thinking is a very good thing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-cites-as-a-negotiating-tool-his-policy-of-separating-immigrant-children-from-their-parents/2018/06/15/ade82b80-70b3-11e8-bf86-a2351b5ece99_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.db6bf9acc311


“The side effect of zero tolerance is that fewer people will come up illegally, and fewer minors would be put in danger,” said a third senior administration official. “What is more dangerous to a minor, the 4,000-mile journey to America or the short-term detention of their parents?”
They've been flooding over here for work for years and don't forget that in 1986 Reagan granted immunity to illegals. Employers have been illegally hiring them for a generation now; that's why they come. If there was nothing for them to do, there would not be a flood.

And since Iraq, our respectability has dropped; actually since Vietnam, but under Trump we're a laughing stock now and The People are not as powerful as we tell the world because we are letting Trump get away with it all and doing nothing about it. By now there should have been at the very least a congressional censure.

As far as Trump's bluntness is concerned - he lives in the gutter and there has been no reason fora sitting president of this country to use the language that he does. His shoot from the hip quality I can understand. but he's using a sawed off shotgun and splattering everybody in the room every time he opens his mouth, and that is not becoming of this country: it's the ugly American.

[jet57]

No, you are making statements about what we believe as if we don't really think that way. I'm not worked up. L'm saying you don't want to know.
I'm challenging what you believe to get you to think about what yo're saying. Remember, I'm trying to find out why, given all that's gone on, Trump's supporters stick by him and ignore all the negativity he has produced.

[jet57]

What's the world going to do? We are the moneybag. We are the only power NATO has. We are the major market for both China and Europe. Why do we have to act like sissies?

Obama did that and what did we gain. The world didn't respect him, they laughed at his weakness. Now, that's why I support Trump. How can you argue why I do? If I cared what you believed I would have asked. If I thought like you I would have voted for Clinton.
FDR was no sissy and we did just fine. Ronald Reagan didn't throw any rocks and use his mouth like a teenager and we did just fine. Obama was not laughed at by the world, and we did just fine.

What's Trump's excuse?

[jet57]

He did what you boy allso did.
Nope.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jun/19/matt-schlapp/no-donald-trumps-separation-immigrant-families-was/

[jet57]

Cut them loose. What do you think? Europe is dependent on us for their freedom? Russian would blackmail them with their nukes if we walked away. They aren't that stupid and neither are the Japanese or Koreans.

Europe will never be cut loose for any reason. So your solution fails.

[barb012]

The behavior of the Left is far worst then Trump. The left does not care at all about its own citizens, they are corrupt and by advocating for open borders, their desire to destroy this country is obvious. They want to remove free speech for everyone that doesn't agree with them and that is dangerous for everyone.

They are giving us no choice but to support Trump and it is sad that the Left who support them is based on so many lies.

[Captdon]

Europe will never be cut loose for any reason. So your solution fails.

I didn't offer a solution. I stated a fact.

You argued about everything his supporters said. You asked why and then debated it. You know why only by what i told you.You didn't really want to know why. We all told you the why. I don't have to justify why and neither do you.

If I ask you why you voted for Clinton, and we know you did, I can't argue with you. Whatever reason you give is the reason you did. There's nothing to debate.

Phony thread.

[jet57]

I didn't offer a solution. I stated a fact.

You argued about everything his supporters said. You asked why and then debated it. You know why only by what i told you.You didn't really want to know why. We all told you the why. I don't have to justify why and neither do you.

If I ask you why you voted for Clinton, and we know you did, I can't argue with you. Whatever reason you give is the reason you did. There's nothing to debate.

Phony thread.

Oh BS man; you said cut Europe loose, what'er they gonna do. I answered you. The thread read has gone very well thus far, I've not "debated" anybody. Again: I'm challenging your beliefs about him in order to discuss them.

You guys on the right here are getting emotional about it.

So here's what we have so far:

"We" don't care about his past or his current failings.

We like his tough guy bombastic nature.

He's doing what he said he would do.

The rest of the world can go pound salt.

His tough border policy is what the country needs.



That's pretty much it woudn't you say?

[Tahuyaman]

Every day TDD gets more severe with some.

[Captdon]

Oh BS man; you said cut Europe loose, what'er they gonna do. I answered you. The thread read has gone very well thus far, I've not "debated" anybody. Again: I'm challenging your beliefs about him in order to discuss them.

You guys on the right here are getting emotional about it.

So here's what we have so far:

"We" don't care about his past or his current failings.

We like his tough guy bombastic nature.

He's doing what he said he would do.

The rest of the world can go pound salt.

His tough border policy is what the country needs.



That's pretty much it woudn't you say?

You asked why we vote and support him. We tell you and you want to debate it. We don't ask for, or need, your blessings.
Yes, that's part of what we said.

Oh, I see. You thought your opinion about our reasons mattered to us. Okay. It doesn't.

[Captdon]

Oh BS man; you said cut Europe loose, what'er they gonna do. I answered you. The thread read has gone very well thus far, I've not "debated" anybody. Again: I'm challenging your beliefs about him in order to discuss them.

You guys on the right here are getting emotional about it.

So here's what we have so far:

"We" don't care about his past or his current failings.

We like his tough guy bombastic nature.

He's doing what he said he would do.

The rest of the world can go pound salt.

His tough border policy is what the country needs.



That's pretty much it woudn't you say?

Yea? Well, what is Europe going to do if we cut them off?

[MisterVeritis]

So, this is the question I have for Trump supporters here. After all the mess, the nepotism, the lying, the Russia probe that clearly shows that Trump’s campaign was up to its neck in nefarious dealings with its top players being charged with felonies and criminal connections, Trump’s continued intentional divisiveness and expensive campaigning whipping up his base with exaggerations and out right untruthfulness, with the western countries clearly looking down on the US because of Trump’s isolationists tactics, how can his “supporters” continue to not only like him, but believe he is doing a great job and that he actually has the welfare of this country on his top priority list?

Can you answer that?

Sure. Consider these five pillars of Trump political strength:

1) Originalist Supreme Court Justices.

2) Corporate tax rate reduction.

3) Immigration reform to reduce the number of poor, dumb, sick, black and brown people from third world authoritarian countries entering the US each year (AKA democrat voters).

4) Individual tax rate reduction.

5) Better Trade arrangements that benefit the United States citizens.

[Captdon]

Sure. Consider these five pillars of Trump political strength:

1) Originalist Supreme Court Justices.

2) Corporate tax rate reduction.

3) Immigration reform to reduce the number of poor, dumb, sick, black and brown people from third world authoritarian countries entering the US each year (AKA democrat voters).

4) Individual tax rate reduction.

5) Better Trade arrangements that benefit the United States citizens.


....but how can you support such things? That's his next question.

[NapRover]

Sure. Consider these five pillars of Trump political strength:

1) Originalist Supreme Court Justices.

2) Corporate tax rate reduction.

3) Immigration reform to reduce the number of poor, dumb, sick, black and brown people from third world authoritarian countries entering the US each year (AKA democrat voters).

4) Individual tax rate reduction.

5) Better Trade arrangements that benefit the United States citizens.

Not to mention:
6) Isis blown up + travel ban
7) Korea finally believes we're serious
8) Military build up priority
9) Individual mandate gone
10) Restore Israeli partnership--screw terrorist palestinians/Iran Deal

[jet57]

You asked why we vote and support him. We tell you and you want to debate it. We don't ask for, or need, your blessings.
Yes, that's part of what we said.

Oh, I see. You thought your opinion about our reasons mattered to us. Okay. It doesn't.

You're showing how weak are with this nonsense you know. I asked and you bleated.

Got it.

[jet57]

Yea? Well, what is Europe going to do if we cut them off?

Go elsewhere.

[Captdon]

You're showing how weak are with this nonsense you know. I asked and you bleated.

Got it.

I told you. You didn't like it. You changed what you wanted. You attack me for saying what others have said, almost word for word, without comment from you. You have made this personal as if I gave a rat's ass.

You're showing you have nothing is what is happening. Don't worry, it's a common liberal trait. Now, since you don't have the ability to stand up to others I'm moving along. Talk to yourself.