2 Dead 12 Wounded in Apparent Terrorist Attack in Toronto

[El Guapo]

A 29-year-old man opened fire with a handgun in Toronto’s busy Greektown neighbourhood (https://globalnews.ca/news/4346484/toronto-greektown-danforth-logan-shooting/) Sunday night, according to Ontario’s police watchdog, leaving at least two dead, and injuring 12 others, including a nine-year-old girl.
The Special Investigations Unit said the shooting began around 10 p.m., when the man began firing at groups of several people as he made his way down Danforth Avenue in the city’s east end.
https://globalnews.ca/news/4346833/danforth-shooting-what-we-know-about-suspect/



They managed to paint the last muzbot attacker who ran down a dozen or so people with a rented truck a while back as mentally ill.

Let's see how they spin this one.

http://rs827.pbsrc.com/albums/zz200/pepper2010_bucket/1947_eating_popcorn_and_drinking_be.gif?w=280&h=210&fit=crop

[El Guapo]

Anybody wanna bet his full name is 3 or four names, and that one of them is mohammed?

[El Guapo]

We know for sure he isn't/wasn't white, because his name and full life story would be known to all about 15 seconds after IDing him. Replete with testimonials from people who knew him. :rollseyes:

[Helena]

Let's just jump to he was a white Christian Trump supporter.

[El Guapo]

Let's just jump to he was a white Christian Trump supporter.
They're half way there; the incident is being framed as a gun control problem. So we know for sure now it's a muzbot.
Oh- and the fact that they are refusing to rule terrorism out. That CYA statement pretty much cinches it, I'd say.

To clarify: the actor didn't stand in one place and shoot into a crowd...he took a leisurely stroll along a row of busy restaurants, stopping to shoot a few people in each one.

[Lummy]

Dint happen, Guapo. Guns are illegal in Canada.

[Adelaide]

No one has called it a terrorist attack except you, apparently. Canadian police and Canadian media rarely jump the gun in making announcements because they tend to rely on facts and investigation instead assumptions, accusations and conjecture.

Gun violence in areas of Toronto is very bad. Gang violence in areas of Toronto is very bad. Not surprisingly, they are poor communities by and large. Gun laws help prevent a lot of violence, but it isn't going to solve the problem entirely because there are other factors to consider. It's not that much different from the United States in that regard, but in Canada, Canadian firearm legislation has largely been successful at achieving the goals of the legislation. Toronto, like any large city, has complicating factors that impact the effectiveness of gun control legislation, including socioeconomic status, education level, access to illegal firearms, so forth. It would not be unprecedented for someone to just randomly fire into restaurants, especially since it seems it was an area of Toronto associated with a specific ethnicity/nationality, that could possibly be linked to a gang. Or it could be a crazy man. Or it could be terrorism. We don't know, and it's hardly useful or serving any purpose to just randomly guess that it was terrorism.

Most illegal firearms in Canada originate in the United States, and enter through various ports such as Lake Ontario into Toronto or surrounding areas.

And no, I do not support gun control in the United States. Apples and oranges... kind of literally at this point.

[MisterVeritis]

Gun violence in areas of Toronto is very bad. Gang violence in areas of Toronto is very bad. Not surprisingly, they are poor communities by and large. Gun laws help prevent a lot of violence, but it isn't going to solve the problem entirely because there are other factors to consider. It's not that much different from the United States in that regard, but in Canada, Canadian firearm legislation has largely been successful at achieving the goals of the legislation.
This is a foolish post.

Laws preventing law-abiding citizens from defending themselves do not prevent violence. They channel violence toward those unable to defend themselves. If idiot politicians believe that is a good thing perhaps the focus of the violence should be on them.

[Lummy]

Point by point:


1 No one has called it a terrorist attack except you, apparently. Canadian police and Canadian media rarely jump the gun in making announcements because they tend to rely on facts and investigation instead assumptions, accusations and conjecture.

2 Gun violence in areas of Toronto is very bad. Gang violence in areas of Toronto is very bad. Not surprisingly, they are poor communities by and large. 3 Gun laws help prevent a lot of violence, but it isn't going to solve the problem entirely because there are other factors to consider. It's not that much different from the United States in that regard, but in Canada, Canadian firearm legislation has largely been successful at achieving the goals of the legislation. Toronto, like any large city, has complicating factors that impact the effectiveness of gun control legislation, including socioeconomic status, education level, 4 access to illegal firearms, so forth. It would not be unprecedented for someone to just randomly fire into restaurants, 5 especially since it seems it was an area of Toronto associated with a specific ethnicity/nationality, that could possibly be linked to a gang. Or it could be a crazy man. Or it could be terrorism. 6 We don't know, and it's hardly useful or serving any purpose to just randomly guess that it was terrorism.

7 Most illegal firearms in Canada originate in the United States, and enter through various ports such as Lake Ontario into Toronto or surrounding areas.

8 And no, I do not support gun control in the United States. Apples and oranges... kind of literally at this point.

1 You mean, like American media and lefties do in the US? What?
2 Hmm ... Gun violence and gang violence would appear to be very bad in the same areas. Since guns are expensive, how do these "poor" gangs afford to possess them?
3 Proof? Hahaha. Of course not.
4 Illegal firearms are the reason gun control laws don't work, you're correct.
5 Instead of writing in vague, intelligent-sounding but meaningless terms, you could spend 10 minutes researching at Wikipedia and then post facts, huh. But no, that doesn't seem to be your point. Ahh ... posting facts would make you appear racist, huh. Is that it?
6 Well, that doesn't really matter anyway, does it? So tell us, how large a team of academic "experts" sucking down how much taxpayer "money" would be required to get to the real, real truth? Moreover, at this point, what difference would it make? LOL
7 Knock it off. Post proof or links. No one here takes your word for it, that's for sure, and you are arrogant and rude to expect it.
8 Hogwash.
9 You've got to be joking ...

[Adelaide]

Point by point:



1 You mean, like American media and lefties do in the US? What?
2 Hmm ... Gun violence and gang violence would appear to be very bad in the same areas. Since guns are expensive, how do these "poor" gangs afford to possess them?
3 Proof? Hahaha. Of course not.
4 Illegal firearms are the reason gun control laws don't work, you're correct.
5 Instead of writing in vague, intelligent-sounding but meaningless terms, you could spend 10 minutes researching at Wikipedia and then post facts, huh. But no, that doesn't seem to be your point. Ahh ... posting facts would make you appear racist, huh. Is that it?
6 Well, that doesn't really matter anyway, does it? So tell us, how large a team of academic "experts" sucking down how much taxpayer "money" would be required to get to the real, real truth? Moreover, at this point, what difference would it make? LOL
7 Knock it off. Post proof or links. No one here takes your word for it, that's for sure, and you are arrogant and rude to expect it.
8 Hogwash.
9 You've got to be joking ...

Sorry - I try to assume that people aren't fucking morons. Here you go.

7. (Let's start with the most obvious) Guns from the United States:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-mosque-shooting-guncontrol-idUSKBN15F038
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-parsons-us-guns-abroad-20180206-story.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/an-american-export-canadians-dont-want-illegal-guns/2016/02/19/b65d7b72-d69a-11e5-be55-2cc3c1e4b76b_story.html?utm_term=.31c8868e268a
https://globalnews.ca/news/3562926/canadians-not-americans-greater-risk-illegal-guns-into-canada/
http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/most-illegal-guns-in-b-c-from-within-canada-report-1.23106048
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/guns-crime/reports/2018/02/02/445659/beyond-our-borders/
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/02/16/news/more-guns-less-crime-not-according-data
http://www.windsorstar.com/news/guns/index.html#.W1Y5hbgnaUk
From the Canadian Government: http://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2012/grc-rcmp/PS64-96-2007-eng.pdf

2. Firearms, in general, are not that expensive. You really think that someone in a poor neighborhood couldn't find a way to save up money to buy one if they were in a gang? Or use money generated by the gang? Or take advantage of the gang's involvement in the smuggling of firearms?

3./4. In CANADA, you stupid twit. Toronto and some other areas have more problems for the reasons I stated, but here you go:
https://www.vox.com/2014/10/24/7047547/canada-gun-law-us-comparison (more of a reference work for your apparent need of education)
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/would-canadian-gun-laws-have-stopped-americas-worst-mass-shooters
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/12/04/news/how-american-gun-deaths-and-gun-laws-compare-canadas
https://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43475403
https://www.newsweek.com/toronto-shooting-does-canada-have-gun-control-problem-1037479

5. Did you miss the major headline about this being in GREEKTOWN?

6. I'm going to assume you had a seizure.

7. See above.

8. I support the right to bear arms in the United States. I do not support further restrictions. I have a gun in my home here in the United States. I was a member of the NRA until recently. I have different views in the context of different countries, because they have different problems and require different methods and solutions. There are also different constitutions and different rights associated with each country.

[MisterVeritis]

Sorry - I try to assume that people aren't fucking morons. Here you go.
8. I support the right to bear arms in the United States. I do not support further restrictions. I have a gun in my home here in the United States. I was a member of the NRA until recently. I have different views in the context of different countries, because they have different problems and require different methods and solutions. There are also different constitutions and different rights associated with each country.
Do only humans in the United States have a right to self-defense? Do the laws that harm Canada's citizens harm them any less because they live in Canada?

[Adelaide]

Do only humans in the United States have a right to self-defense? Do the laws that harm Canada's citizens harm them any less because they live in Canada?

Canadians support strict firearm legislation in their own country. Many would support increased restrictions. There is a much, much different culture surrounding the ownership and use of firearms. They are for sport and for hunting. Gun ownership was encouraged until handguns became more prominent, but by and large, totally different histories and cultures. Some Canadians oppose firearm restrictions but they are definitely nowhere near the number of people that support existing laws or want additional restrictions.

[MisterVeritis]

Do only humans in the United States have a right to self-defense? Do the laws that harm Canada's citizens harm them any less because they live in Canada?

Canadians support strict firearm legislation in their own country. Many would support increased restrictions. There is a much, much different culture surrounding the ownership and use of firearms. They are for sport and for hunting. Gun ownership was encouraged until handguns became more prominent, but by and large, totally different histories and cultures. Some Canadians oppose firearm restrictions but they are definitely nowhere near the number of people that support existing laws or want additional restrictions.
Do only humans in the United States have a right to defend themselves?

Is this a difficult question for you to answer?

Are Canadian citizens harmed less by laws that prevent them from defending themselves because they live in Canada?

Let each person decide. You have the right to defend yourself but not the obligation.

[MisterVeritis]

Canadians support strict firearm legislation in their own country. Many would support increased restrictions. There is a much, much different culture surrounding the ownership and use of firearms. They are for sport and for hunting. Gun ownership was encouraged until handguns became more prominent, but by and large, totally different histories and cultures. Some Canadians oppose firearm restrictions but they are definitely nowhere near the number of people that support existing laws or want additional restrictions.
If your statements are true then a nation committed to self-governance would let each individual decide for themsleves.

Every nation has men and women who make the country work. Those men and women should be armed.

[Dr. Who]

https://globalnews.ca/news/4346833/danforth-shooting-what-we-know-about-suspect/



They managed to paint the last muzbot attacker who ran down a dozen or so people with a rented truck a while back as mentally ill.

Let's see how they spin this one.

http://rs827.pbsrc.com/albums/zz200/pepper2010_bucket/1947_eating_popcorn_and_drinking_be.gif?w=280&h=210&fit=crop

The individual who ran down people in Toronto was not a Muslim. He was a Christian Armenian who hated women for rejecting him.

The news has just announced that the shooter is Faisal Hussein, age 29, who has suffered from severe mental health issues for most of his life.

[Lummy]

The more you restrict guns, the more you'll drive up black market prices and so the more illegal gun trafficking you'll CREATE. YOU will create, not me and not the US.

It's just like alcohol.


[QUOTE=Adelaide;2386648]Sorry - I try to assume that people aren't $#@!ing morons. [Hey, hey ... don't get your panties, if you wear any, in a knot.] Here you go.

7. (Let's start with the most obvious) Guns from the United States:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-mosque-shooting-guncontrol-idUSKBN15F038 Nope. Not there.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-parsons-us-guns-abroad-20180206-story.html Disqualified. Infamous as leftist rag propaganda.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/an-american-export-canadians-dont-want-illegal-guns/2016/02/19/b65d7b72-d69a-11e5-be55-2cc3c1e4b76b_story.html?utm_term=.31c8868e268a Ditto. Talk to US Attorney General Holder about gun running from Mexico. He was in charge of it during the Obama debacle.
https://globalnews.ca/news/3562926/canadians-not-americans-greater-risk-illegal-guns-into-canada/ Interesting article about crooked Canucks running illegal guns, I guess. Whatever.
http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/most-illegal-guns-in-b-c-from-within-canada-report-1.23106048 Ditto. Article says Canucks, not Yanks, are gun runners. Outlaw Canuck criminals, you got the problem licked!
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/guns-crime/reports/2018/02/02/445659/beyond-our-borders/ Says "U.S.-sourced crime guns were legally exported and were not diverted for criminal use until they crossed the border." So Canucks are the problem, and the US is NOT responsible for Canuck crooks. Sheesh.
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/02/16/news/more-guns-less-crime-not-according-data The problems in the US haveh a very definite, undeniable color, but to discuss that will get one kicked off this board because it does not tolerate anything but PC no matter how dishonest PC is. This reply will self-destruct in 15 second.
http://www.windsorstar.com/news/guns/index.html#.W1Y5hbgnaUk When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Again, you are blaming the US for your racial problems, which not coincidently directly correlate to your crime problems, and that's all I'm going to say.
From the Canadian Government: http://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2012/grc-rcmp/PS64-96-2007-eng.pdf Sorry, I can't read French.

2. Firearms, in general, are not that expensive. You really think that someone in a poor neighborhood couldn't find a way to save up money to buy one if they were in a gang? Or use money generated by the gang? Or take advantage of the gang's involvement in the smuggling of firearms? I don't know what "not that expensive" means. Is that like $50, $250, $550 or what? They usually don't buy them, especially if they're in a gang because no one will sell to them, at least not legally. That said, it sure doesn't explain a photo of a Chicago gang each holding a brand new Glock (about $350-$400) and several semi-automatic rifles during the Holder's tenure as Attorney General under Obama. Just a snapshot, but then that's all you got too. Guess what? Nobody gives up their gun because black gangs are killing each other and others. Anyone who argues they should has their head up their butt. I would discuss this but it will assuredly get me kicked off the board for telling the truth.

3./4. In CANADA, you stupid twit. [Hey, hey, that's strike two, missy.] Toronto and some other areas have more problems for the reasons I stated, but here you go:
https://www.vox.com/2014/10/24/7047547/canada-gun-law-us-comparison (more of a reference work for your apparent need of education) There are far more stupid people with college degrees than there are others. This is because the point of an education is processing. The education system is a factory -- in recent years a manufacturer of indoctrination and propaganda. Like any factory, their primary reason to exist is to make a lot of money. Anyway, the article is simply not objective. It is full of allusion and innuendo. A hard look at Canada gun laws would find/has found that they are no more effective than gun laws in the US or anywhere else. They should be repealed, not expanded.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/would-canadian-gun-laws-have-stopped-americas-worst-mass-shooters Cannot access to read this one, but it is obviously speculative conjecture, so they've saved me the trouble.
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/12/04/news/how-american-gun-deaths-and-gun-laws-compare-canadas Did not read. What good does it do to compare the US with Canada. For one thing, the US has a much different cultural mix, shall we say, than Canada, and a much different history. Yes?
https://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1 Statistics are fun! Violent crime in Australia has spiked since they implemented their unfair, harsh, traumatizing, demoralizog, off-pissing gun ban. This is because innocent people no longer have guns with which to defend themselves. No self defense = turkey shoot. Hello?
https://winteryknight.com/2017/10/06/did-australias-ban-on-guns-lower-violent-crime-rates-and-lower-suicide-rates-2/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43475403 You will not reduce gun crimes or gun violence in the long run.
https://www.newsweek.com/toronto-shooting-does-canada-have-gun-control-problem-1037479 Asks, "Does Canada Have a Gun Control Problem?" Yes it does. A gun in every home, a home for every gun.

5. Did you miss the major headline about this being in GREEKTOWN? Yes. What about it?

6. I'm going to assume you had a seizure. Well, that wasn't very nice. Strike three. REPORTED.

7. See above.

8. I support the right to bear arms in the United States. I do not support further restrictions. I have a gun in my home here in the United States. I was a member of the NRA until recently. I have different views in the context of different countries, because they have different problems and require different methods and solutions. There are also different constitutions and different rights associated with each country. No, in fact you don't support the right to bear arms in the US. You're posts are all anti-US guns. You are all about banning guns completely because you know damn well they will follow suit in central and south america, especially Brazil, and ind Africa.

Who are you kidding but yourself? You would oft be referred to as delusional, but I'm not going to say that because I disdain personal attacks.

[Dr. Who]

The more you restrict guns, the more you'll drive up black market prices and so the more illegal gun trafficking you'll CREATE. YOU will create, not me and not the US.

It's just like alcohol.


[QUOTE=Adelaide;2386648]Sorry - I try to assume that people aren't $#@!ing morons. [Hey, hey ... don't get your panties, if you wear any, in a knot.] Here you go.

7. (Let's start with the most obvious) Guns from the United States:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-mosque-shooting-guncontrol-idUSKBN15F038 Nope. Not there.
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-parsons-us-guns-abroad-20180206-story.html Disqualified. Infamous as leftist rag propaganda.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/an-american-export-canadians-dont-want-illegal-guns/2016/02/19/b65d7b72-d69a-11e5-be55-2cc3c1e4b76b_story.html?utm_term=.31c8868e268a Ditto. Talk to US Attorney General Holder about gun running from Mexico. He was in charge of it during the Obama debacle.
https://globalnews.ca/news/3562926/canadians-not-americans-greater-risk-illegal-guns-into-canada/ Interesting article about crooked Canucks running illegal guns, I guess. Whatever.
http://www.timescolonist.com/news/local/most-illegal-guns-in-b-c-from-within-canada-report-1.23106048 Ditto. Article says Canucks, not Yanks, are gun runners. Outlaw Canuck criminals, you got the problem licked!
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/guns-crime/reports/2018/02/02/445659/beyond-our-borders/ Says "U.S.-sourced crime guns were legally exported and were not diverted for criminal use until they crossed the border." So Canucks are the problem, and the US is NOT responsible for Canuck crooks. Sheesh.
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2018/02/16/news/more-guns-less-crime-not-according-data The problems in the US haveh a very definite, undeniable color, but to discuss that will get one kicked off this board because it does not tolerate anything but PC no matter how dishonest PC is. This reply will self-destruct in 15 second.
http://www.windsorstar.com/news/guns/index.html#.W1Y5hbgnaUk When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Again, you are blaming the US for your racial problems, which not coincidently directly correlate to your crime problems, and that's all I'm going to say.
From the Canadian Government: http://publications.gc.ca/collections/collection_2012/grc-rcmp/PS64-96-2007-eng.pdf Sorry, I can't read French.

2. Firearms, in general, are not that expensive. You really think that someone in a poor neighborhood couldn't find a way to save up money to buy one if they were in a gang? Or use money generated by the gang? Or take advantage of the gang's involvement in the smuggling of firearms? I don't know what "not that expensive" means. Is that like $50, $250, $550 or what? They usually don't buy them, especially if they're in a gang because no one will sell to them, at least not legally. That said, it sure doesn't explain a photo of a Chicago gang each holding a brand new Glock (about $350-$400) and several semi-automatic rifles during the Holder's tenure as Attorney General under Obama. Just a snapshot, but then that's all you got too. Guess what? Nobody gives up their gun because black gangs are killing each other and others. Anyone who argues they should has their head up their butt. I would discuss this but it will assuredly get me kicked off the board for telling the truth.

3./4. In CANADA, you stupid twit. [Hey, hey, that's strike two, missy.] Toronto and some other areas have more problems for the reasons I stated, but here you go:
https://www.vox.com/2014/10/24/7047547/canada-gun-law-us-comparison (more of a reference work for your apparent need of education) There are far more stupid people with college degrees than there are others. This is because the point of an education is processing. The education system is a factory -- in recent years a manufacturer of indoctrination and propaganda. Like any factory, their primary reason to exist is to make a lot of money. Anyway, the article is simply not objective. It is full of allusion and innuendo. A hard look at Canada gun laws would find/has found that they are no more effective than gun laws in the US or anywhere else. They should be repealed, not expanded.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/would-canadian-gun-laws-have-stopped-americas-worst-mass-shooters Cannot access to read this one, but it is obviously speculative conjecture, so they've saved me the trouble.
https://www.nationalobserver.com/2015/12/04/news/how-american-gun-deaths-and-gun-laws-compare-canadas Did not read. What good does it do to compare the US with Canada. For one thing, the US has a much different cultural mix, shall we say, than Canada, and a much different history. Yes?
https://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1 Statistics are fun! Violent crime in Australia has spiked since they implemented their unfair, harsh, traumatizing, demoralizog, off-pissing gun ban. This is because innocent people no longer have guns with which to defend themselves. No self defense = turkey shoot. Hello?
https://winteryknight.com/2017/10/06/did-australias-ban-on-guns-lower-violent-crime-rates-and-lower-suicide-rates-2/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43475403 You will not reduce gun crimes or gun violence in the long run.
https://www.newsweek.com/toronto-shooting-does-canada-have-gun-control-problem-1037479 Asks, "Does Canada Have a Gun Control Problem?" Yes it does. A gun in every home, a home for every gun.

5. Did you miss the major headline about this being in GREEKTOWN? Yes. What about it?

6. I'm going to assume you had a seizure. Well, that wasn't very nice. Strike three. REPORTED.

7. See above.

8. I support the right to bear arms in the United States. I do not support further restrictions. I have a gun in my home here in the United States. I was a member of the NRA until recently. I have different views in the context of different countries, because they have different problems and require different methods and solutions. There are also different constitutions and different rights associated with each country. No, in fact you don't support the right to bear arms in the US. You're posts are all anti-US guns. You are all about banning guns completely because you know damn well they will follow suit in central and south america, especially Brazil, and ind Africa.

Who are you kidding but yourself? You would oft be referred to as delusional, but I'm not going to say that because I disdain personal attacks.
Know a lot about gun crime in Canada? Then you should know that gun crime in Canada has been rising since the previous (and notably conservative) federal government relaxed (https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/last-chance-to-strengthen-federal-gun-control-laws-as-toronto-gun-violence-spikes-684518171.html) gun laws in 2012, resulting in a large spike in firearms imports and on a relative basis, particularly in handguns.

“The relaxation of controls on firearms has fuelled the demand, making it easier to get guns legally, that then has driven increases in imports and one of the unintended consequences of that is more diversion of legal guns to illegal markets,” (https://ipolitics.ca/2017/06/16/firearms-imports-exploded-after-harper-government-killed-gun-registry/)

A Bill before the House of Commons seeks to tighten existing law: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberal-gun-bill-gang-crime-1.4733374

[Ransom]

If reports of mental issues are true I would hope this doesn't turn into another gun debate for Canada. I don't think anything should be ruled out, the mentally unstable is who terror organizations target, the man was dressed in dark clothing. Let's not jump to conclusions.

May have been a lone wolf. May have had enablers. May even have had facilitators much like the Tsarnaev Brothers in Boston and then you've more than just lone wolves in Canada. You've a more coordinated and capable enemy.

[Dr. Who]

If reports of mental issues are true I would hope this doesn't turn into another gun debate for Canada. I don't think anything should be ruled out, the mentally unstable is who terror organizations target, the man was dressed in dark clothing. Let's not jump to conclusions.

May have been a lone wolf. May have had enablers. May even have had facilitators much like the Tsarnaev Brothers in Boston and then you've more than just lone wolves in Canada. You've a more coordinated and capable enemy.
Can't rule anything out. People who are mentally disturbed are easy to lead, however, he may have had some unrelated motive. It may never be known since he was apparently prone to psychosis.

[Lummy]

Know a lot about gun crime in Canada? Then you should know that gun crime in Canada has been rising since the previous (and notably conservative) federal government relaxed (https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/last-chance-to-strengthen-federal-gun-control-laws-as-toronto-gun-violence-spikes-684518171.html) gun laws in 2012, resulting in a large spike in firearms imports and on a relative basis, particularly in handguns.

In one decade, the ethnicity of Canada changed tremendously. In 1996, 86% of the country was comprised of European whites. In 2016, that percentage had shrunk to under 73% and falling. In that same decade, nonwhite minorities, excluding First Nations people, jumped from 11% to 22%, and rising.

Another major factor related to the increase in gun crime was the long time prior suppression of gun ownership -- Xmas morning effect, call it. Sure, you would expect gun crimes to go up, then level off and possibly fall back except for the rising tide of ethnic minorities, not counting the native population.

It's probably too early to tell.

[Dr. Who]

In one decade, the ethnicity of Canada changed tremendously. In 1996, 86% of the country was comprised of European whites. In 2016, that percentage had shrunk to under 73% and falling. In that same decade, nonwhite minorities, excluding First Nations people, jumped from 11% to 22%, and rising.

Another major factor related to the increase in gun crime was the long time prior suppression of gun ownership -- Xmas morning effect, call it. Sure, you would expect gun crimes to go up, then level off and possibly fall back except for the rising tide of ethnic minorities, not counting the native population.

It's probably too early to tell.
Handguns have become a new fad among the millennials and younger crowd. Joining gun clubs etcetera. It's not about a new need for self-defense, it's just a fad like owning sport trucks and the new country (music). It's being embraced by the suburban under 40 crowd along with a renewed interest in hunting. These are not minority groups - they are suburban whites and there are, as a result, an increased number of gun thefts that is driving the trafficking of stolen weapons into the criminal community as well as, unfortunately, a rising number of straw purchases.

[El Guapo]

No they aren't. I've got plenty.

[El Guapo]

Dint happen, Guapo. Guns are illegal in Canada.

No they aren't. I have plenty.

[El Guapo]

...and yeah. He was a Pakistani Muslim TERRORIST

[Lummy]

No they aren't. I have plenty.
OMG, you're a canuck too? Who knew?

[Lummy]

Handguns have become a new fad among the millennials and younger crowd. Joining gun clubs etcetera. It's not about a new need for self-defense, it's just a fad like owning sport trucks and the new country (music). It's being embraced by the suburban under 40 crowd along with a renewed interest in hunting. These are not minority groups - they are suburban whites and there are, as a result, an increased number of gun thefts that is driving the trafficking of stolen weapons into the criminal community as well as, unfortunately, a rising number of straw purchases.
And does the "criminal community" have a color?

Yep. I'd bet a nickel it does.

[El Guapo]

OMG, you're a canuck too? Who knew?

Sssh. Don't tell anyone.

[Dr. Who]

And does the "criminal community" have a color?

Yep. I'd bet a nickel it does.
There are criminals of all ethnicities as well as gun violence, whether they be Italian mob, Russian mob, Asian mobs, South Asian mobs, Blacks or humdrum Whites. They all take turns making the news. There are all kinds of criminal gangs in Canada, just like in the US. They are just not quite as prolific or is poverty quite as extreme. However international criminal organizations have their presence in large Canadian cities - primarily connected to the drug trade and to a lesser extent, illegal weapons trafficking.

[Mister D]

And does the "criminal community" have a color?

Yep. I'd bet a nickel it does.
They're not allowed to publish stats regarding race and crime in Canada but everyone, including dr who, knows the demographics of violent crime in Canada aren't much different than that of the USA. Her own city is good example.

[Mister D]

In one decade, the ethnicity of Canada changed tremendously. In 1996, 86% of the country was comprised of European whites. In 2016, that percentage had shrunk to under 73% and falling. In that same decade, nonwhite minorities, excluding First Nations people, jumped from 11% to 22%, and rising.

Another major factor related to the increase in gun crime was the long time prior suppression of gun ownership -- Xmas morning effect, call it. Sure, you would expect gun crimes to go up, then level off and possibly fall back except for the rising tide of ethnic minorities, not counting the native population.

It's probably too early to tell.
Interesting stat: native Americans in Canada are incarcerated at a much higher rate than American blacks.

[Ransom]

There are criminals of all ethnicities as well as gun violence, whether they be Italian mob, Russian mob, Asian mobs, South Asian mobs, Blacks or humdrum Whites. They all take turns making the news. There are all kinds of criminal gangs in Canada, just like in the US. They are just not quite as prolific or is poverty quite as extreme. However international criminal organizations have their presence in large Canadian cities - primarily connected to the drug trade and to a lesser extent, illegal weapons trafficking.

Like to add a thought onto this if I may. Imagine you're in Canada. You've got "all kind of criminal gangs"...just like the US. You've got Russians, Italians, Asians, and nearly every ethnic based gangs...just like the US. You've got poverty but it's not as extreme as the US....you got weapons trafficking, drug traffic...just like the US....

...but then we put Mexico across your southern border and illegal migrants start pouring into Canada....given these already serious issues.

Think about that.

[Dr. Who]

Like to add a thought onto this if I may. Imagine you're in Canada. You've got "all kind of criminal gangs"...just like the US. You've got Russians, Italians, Asians, and nearly every ethnic based gangs...just like the US. You've got poverty but it's not as extreme as the US....you got weapons trafficking, drug traffic...just like the US....

...but then we put Mexico across your southern border and illegal migrants start pouring into Canada....given these already serious issues.

Think about that.
Two part answer. One - US imperialism in the 19th century - the Mexican–American War is partially responsible Mexican migration. Two - luck of the draw - America has a lot of hospitable climate. More people want to live where it's warm than where it's cold, so Canada is not a popular option for heat lovers.

On a more philosophical basis, I don't think any country in the west is not going to have people beating down their doors to get in until we change the way the world does business. Poor people are not going to stay put in 3rd world countries, nor are they going to stay where there is violent political strife, so Canada may not share border with a 2nd world country, but that doesn't mean that it will avoid illegal immigration. It will just, more often than not, be people who enter on visas and don't leave. If we don't want constant illegal immigration, then we need to rationalize income across the planet. First world corporations cannot continue to pay third world labor a fraction of what is paid in the west. If it were you, would you stay put or would you try to get out?

[Helena]

The individual who ran down people in Toronto was not a Muslim. He was a Christian Armenian who hated women for rejecting him.

The news has just announced that the shooter is Faisal Hussein, age 29, who has suffered from severe mental health issues for most of his life.
Sure, sure.. and he was white.

Oh, and lived in a muslim neighborhood but went outside of that neighborhood into a Greek Orthodox community to practice his special form of mental illness.

[El Guapo]

Sure, sure.. and he was white.

Oh, and lived in a muslim neighborhood but went outside of that neighborhood into a Greek Orthodox community to practice his special form of mental illness.

You should read the idiot media excuse/lie/spin machine blathering on about how hard done by his family is by raising this monster. All their hardships and bad luck....and now this.

Oh...those poor muslims. See what they've had to go through?

Sickening.



Funny....while telling their little tale of hardship for shooter's family, they inadvertently reveal that there's aunts, uncles and other extended family...who all live in the same building.

translation: all living rent-free courtesy of the Canadian taxpayer

[MisterVeritis]

Funny....while telling their little tale of hardship for shooter's family, they inadvertently reveal that there's aunts, uncles and other extended family...who all live in the same building.

translation: all living rent-free courtesy of the Canadian taxpayer
One must pay the Muslim tax...

[El Guapo]

Sure, sure.. and he was white.

Oh, and lived in a muslim neighborhood but went outside of that neighborhood into a Greek Orthodox community to practice his special form of mental illness.

Muslims in Toronto Fun Fact:

muzlims demand that infidels not be allowed to occupy the same public housing buildings as they do. muzzy's only.

[El Guapo]

muzlims sure have an interesting form of mental illness: One that allows them the wherewithal to locate and pay for an illegal firearm plus ammunition, then to pick a place to inflict maximum carnage, then carry the plan out without anybody- including their close and numerous family members having any inkling something was amiss.

[Abby08]

muzlims sure have an interesting form of mental illness: One that allows them the wherewithal to locate and pay for an illegal firearm plus ammunition, then to pick a place to inflict maximum carnage, then carry the plan out without anybody- including their close and numerous family members having any inkling something was amiss.

Many of them, have that, selective mental illness....the kind that allows them to not remember, only the things that can get them the death penalty.

[Beevee]

Like to add a thought onto this if I may. Imagine you're in Canada. You've got "all kind of criminal gangs"...just like the US. You've got Russians, Italians, Asians, and nearly every ethnic based gangs...just like the US. You've got poverty but it's not as extreme as the US....you got weapons trafficking, drug traffic...just like the US....

...but then we put Mexico across your southern border and illegal migrants start pouring into Canada....given these already serious issues.

Think about that.

We are already worried about the influx of true Republicans crossing our border if Trump is re-elected.
We don't need to worry about you though. You won't get in, even with your disguise of a haystack on your head.

[El Guapo]

Meet the spin doctor behind the Hussain family statement:


The man who has presented himself as the point of contact for the family of Faisal Hussain is a professional activist who has reportedly committed himself to “framing a new narrative of Muslims in Canada” and creating a “national political movement.”


https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/furey-meet-the-spin-doctor-behind-the-hussain-family-statement




Spinny spin spin...lie lie lie


This islamic activist who penned the 'family statement' tried to pass himself off as a close friend of the family.


What a horrifying state of affairs in Canada.

[Ransom]

Two part answer. One - US imperialism in the 19th century - the Mexican–American War is partially responsible Mexican migration. Two - luck of the draw - America has a lot of hospitable climate. More people want to live where it's warm than where it's cold, so Canada is not a popular option for heat lovers.

US imperialism during the Mexican America War...of 1846 is "partially responsible" for illegal Mexican migration in 2018....and....our temperate climate makes us lucky, that's why everyone from Mexico wants to come here, Canada is too cold?

I mean....what in the actual fck.

On a more philosophical basis

Oh......yes....on a more 'philosophical basis....I can't wait....


I don't think any country in the west is not going to have people beating down their doors to get in until we change the way the world does business.

Until we "change the way the world does business."



Poor people are not going to stay put in 3rd world countries, nor are they going to stay where there is violent political strife, so Canada may not share border with a 2nd world country, but that doesn't mean that it will avoid illegal immigration. It will just, more often than not, be people who enter on visas and don't leave. If we don't want constant illegal immigration, then we need to rationalize income across the planet. First world corporations cannot continue to pay third world labor a fraction of what is paid in the west. If it were you, would you stay put or would you try to get out?

Rationalize income across the planet?

Dr. Who....this is a most untypical post from you. Like you copied and pasted from donttread.

[Ransom]

Rationalize income.....across the planet....

I mean.....

how does that even work, how is a system, or nation, or individual....rationalize income for the 4 billion plus that live here. And how many of these 4 billion....give a rat's ass how others wish to rationalize income for the entire globe.

:icon_scratch:

[El Guapo]

Sorry to interrupt...but what does any of what you two are going on about have to do with the subject of this thread?

[Ransom]

Sorry to interrupt...but what does any of what you two are going on about have to do with the subject of this thread?

El Guapo…..this is an Adult Skate. When it's an All Skate it will be announced and then no matter your talent, you too can join the fray. The adults are paying the bills thus deserve a little space and time to themselves. Are you offering any help to Dr. Who....cause.....it's needed.

[Safety]

LoL, there are two members in this thread that is actually being intellectual with their responses, the rest are just throwing out one liners about muslims or trying to denigrate blacks.

- welcome to tPF.

[Ransom]

Hi Kleenex!

[Mister D]

LoL, there are two members in this thread that is actually being intellectual with their responses, the rest are just throwing out one liners about muslims or trying to denigrate blacks.

- welcome to tPF.

They certainly is. lol

[Helena]

https://i.imgur.com/5v8UGSD.jpg

[El Guapo]

The truth is coming out slowly...apparently he was shooting only white people and telling the muds not to worry- he wasn't going to shoot them.

[El Guapo]

That's probably why he chose greektown...he'd be hard pressed to find any significant concentration of Whitey's anywhere else in T. O. .

They're pretty much the minority there now.