Does Socialism have a bad reputation due to Communism?

[CCitizen]

In USSR and China, Communism did not work out very well. Russia stopped being Communist in 1991, and China gave up Communism gradually.

Socialism did work out in Scandinavia and Canada. They have much more humane Society then USA. They provide help for all people in need.

[Common]

You can also ask Venezuelans what they think of Socialism. Venezuela was one of latin americans richest economies. Cezar Chavez introduced socialism and it crashed and burned.

Socialism never worked anywhere, yet we have 70 democrat members of congress that want to introduce socialism to the USA.

[Hoosier8]

You can also ask Venezuelans what they think of Socialism. Venezuela was one of latin americans richest economies. Cezar Chavez introduced socialism and it crashed and burned.

Socialism never worked anywhere, yet we have 70 democrat members of congress that want to introduce socialism to the USA.

I say bring it on. Regular Americans won’t go for it including many democrats.

[Mister D]

The Nordic nations and Canada are not socialist. They never were.

[Chris]

The Nordic nations and Canada are not socialist. They never were.

Correct. They are, were, and will always be capitalist nations. They have socialized some services like welfare, healthcare, etc, but that does not make them socialist.

[countryboy]

In USSR and China, Communism did not work out very well. Russia stopped being Communist in 1991, and China gave up Communism gradually.

Socialism did work out in Scandinavia and Canada. They have much more humane Society then USA. They provide help for all people in need.
China has not given up Communism, and Socialism isn't "helping people" and free stuff. Socialism is government ownership of the means of production. And Scandinavia has been less prosperous under big government programs. Also, you cannot compare a region with a population of 21 million, to a country of 325 million.
https://www.bongino.com/does-socialism-work-in-scandinavia-part-1/

Denmark's prime minister disagrees with Bernie's assertion (and yours) that his country is socialist, it is not.


The same kind of misunderstanding is present when liberals showcase the Scandinavian nations (Denmark, Sweden, and Norway) as Exhibit A when it comes to examples of successful socialism. “I think we should look to countries like Denmark, like Sweden, and Norway and learn from what they have accomplished for their working people” said former socialist Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders. And those countries offer much of what Bernie wants for America – free college, socialized medicine, paid maternity leave, among other generous welfare state benefits.
In response to Sanders, Denmark’s Prime Minister (https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/) asked him to stop using the slur of calling his country “socialist.” And he is right. The definition of socialism is government ownership of the means of production – which isn’t the case in his country.

From 1870 through 1936, Sweden was the fastest growing economy in the world. But after 1975—when the Swedish state began to expand in earnest—Sweden’s economy noticeably slowed, falling from the 4th richest in the world to the 13th by the mid 1990s.

https://www.bongino.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Denmark-Sweden-Welfare-State-Growth.jpg

[Mini Me]

Fear of Socialism is one of the GOP's big Bogeymen. They have pushed this nonsense for as long as I can remember to their loinfo crowd of "no nothings!"

"Stupid people will believe anything!"

[MisterVeritis]

Correct. They are, were, and will always be capitalist nations. They have socialized some services like welfare, healthcare, etc, but that does not make them socialist.
That is the trend. It is a bad trend. Stealing wealth from some to give to others is always theft even when we give it a pretty name like socialism.

[MisterVeritis]

Fear of Socialism is one of the GOP's big Bogeymen. They have pushed this nonsense for as long as I can remember to their loinfo crowd of "no nothings!"

"Stupid people will believe anything!"
Ironic.

[Tahuyaman]

The Nordic nations and Canada are not socialist. They never were.


They are not socialist nations, but they have instituted some socialist elements. They are finding out that some of those things are unsustainable.

[Tahuyaman]

Fear of Socialism is one of the GOP's big Bogeymen. They have pushed this nonsense for as long as I can remember to their loinfo crowd of "no nothings!"

"Stupid people will believe anything!"

Ahem.....

[Chris]

That is the trend. It is a bad trend. Stealing wealth from some to give to others is always theft even when we give it a pretty name like socialism.

But they are reversing that trend now that EU membership forces immigration and creates distrust the locals want more conservative government.

[Chris]

Fear of Socialism is one of the GOP's big Bogeymen. They have pushed this nonsense for as long as I can remember to their loinfo crowd of "no nothings!"

"Stupid people will believe anything!"


Fear? Socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried. It's reasonable to avoid failure. Unreasonable to say it will work this time.

[nathanbforrest45]

Socialism has a bad reputation not because of communism but because it is in its own right a vile and evil system. No system in which you take from some and give to others can long survive without turning to the gun to establish its moral compass.

[Chris]

Let's open up discussion to capitalism in comparison.

Capitalism isn't better because it's perfect, just that it's better than any other system.

[nathanbforrest45]

Ahem.....


Have you noticed that liberals have almost no original ideas? One has co opted "snowflake" when speaking of conservatives who would rather not be slaves to the government. Another stole Rush Limbaugh's low information voter (and think that calling it loinfo somehow makes it entirely different). One reason socialism is doomed to failure is because it lacks any vision, either in addressing its detractors or in creating opportunities for the people. Their answer for everything is to copy conservatives or to increase government and taxation.

[Mister D]

Ironic.
"no nothings" lol

[Hoosier8]

Socialism has failed due to socialism's success, or lack thereof. That is pretty clear.

There is always the next generation that convinces themselves that they did it wrong in the past so go on the journey to duplicate the past to the misery of everyone.

[Hoosier8]

Have you noticed that liberals have almost no original ideas? One has co opted "snowflake" when speaking of conservatives who would rather not be slaves to the government. Another stole Rush Limbaugh's low information voter (and think that calling it loinfo somehow makes it entirely different). One reason socialism is doomed to failure is because it lacks any vision, either in addressing its detractors or in creating opportunities for the people. Their answer for everything is to copy conservatives or to increase government and taxation.
You missed calling non-TDS sufferers TDS sufferers.

[Tahuyaman]

You missed calling non-TDS sufferers TDS sufferers.That’s a very recent development.

[Hoosier8]

That’s a very recent development.
It is sort of the Bizarro World aspect of TDS.

https://jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/bizarro_dishes.jpg

[nathanbforrest45]

Socialism has failed due to socialism's success, or lack thereof. That is pretty clear.

There is always the next generation that convinces themselves that they did it wrong in the past so go on the journey to duplicate the past to the misery of everyone.
I firmly believe those who are most pro socialism know it will not work and don't really want it to work. By convincing the rabble it will work if only they give more power to the elite and sacrifice just a little more nirvana will be achieved the elites continue to maintain their power and authority. No one can be as stupid as the leadership needs to be to accept socialism and still remain in that leadership position. They know it will not work, cannot work but as long as they are calling the shots they don't care.

[Peter1469]

In USSR and China, Communism did not work out very well. Russia stopped being Communist in 1991, and China gave up Communism gradually.

Socialism did work out in Scandinavia and Canada. They have much more humane Society then USA. They provide help for all people in need.
Scandinavia and Canada are social-democracies.

[ripmeister]

Scandinavia and Canada are social-democracies.
As is the US to a certain degree.

[Peter1469]

As is the US to a certain degree.

Not as much as many would want.

[ripmeister]

Not as much as many would want.
Certainly

[CCitizen]

Correct. They are, were, and will always be capitalist nations. They have socialized some services like welfare, healthcare, etc, but that does not make them socialist.
I stand corrected. Nordic Nations and Canada have elements of Socialism.

[CCitizen]

That is the trend. It is a bad trend. Stealing wealth from some to give to others is always theft even when we give it a pretty name like socialism.
I absolutely disagree that taxes are theft. The State defines property rights. The state has a right to tax their citizens.

[MisterVeritis]

I absolutely disagree that taxes are theft. The State defines property rights. The state has a right to tax their citizens.
Free people do not grant nations unconditional powers. I thought a friend should tell you.

[Chris]

I stand corrected. Nordic Nations and Canada have elements of Socialism.

A better term is socialized. It's not socialism.


Johan Norberg (born 27 August 1973) is a Swedish author and historian....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B58Nf7SzZY

[CCitizen]

No system in which you take from some and give to others can long survive without turning to the gun to establish its moral compass.
Every State taxes it's citizens. USA takes from citizens and gives to Military Industrial Complex.

[CCitizen]

Fear? Socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried. It's reasonable to avoid failure. Unreasonable to say it will work this time.

Welfare State succeeded in Canada and much of Europe.

[MisterVeritis]

Every State taxes it's citizens. USA takes from citizens and gives to Military Industrial Complex.
Taxes collected for Constitutional purposes are legitimate. Taxes collected to redistribute the wealth rightfully belonging to its citizens is theft. It is no different than the guy who holds you at gunpoint and demands your wallet.

[MisterVeritis]

Welfare State succeeded in Canada and much of Europe.
You err.

[CCitizen]

Scandinavia and Canada are social-democracies.
I guess I was wrong in classifying them, but they have almost perfect societies.

CCitizen1992 should have insisted on getting formal education in Political Science and Writing. It's embarrassing to make mistakes.

[zachroidott]

I guess I was wrong in classifying them, but they have almost perfect societies.

CCitizen1992 should have insisted on getting formal education in Political Science and Writing. It's embarrassing to make mistakes.

Adorable.

[CCitizen]

Free people do not grant nations unconditional powers. I thought a friend should tell you.
The Majority has unconditional power, since The Law reflects Public Opinion.

[CCitizen]

Taxes collected for Constitutional purposes are legitimate. Taxes collected to redistribute the wealth rightfully belonging to its citizens is theft. It is no different than the guy who holds you at gunpoint and demands your wallet.
USA wastes hundreds of billions on unnecessary military expenditure.

[MisterVeritis]

The Majority has unconditional power, since The Law reflects Public Opinion.
You err. It is not worth my time to explain why.

[MisterVeritis]

USA wastes hundreds of billions on unnecessary military expenditure.
perhaps. It is always worthwhile debating how we use funds for Constitutional purposes. How would you know what is necessary and what isn't?

[CCitizen]

You err. It is not worth my time to explain why.
I should have majored in Political Science and Writing. I have a degree in Math.

[CCitizen]

perhaps. It is always worthwhile debating how we use funds for Constitutional purposes. How would you know what is necessary and what isn't?
USA could have been safe spending $150B per year on Military instead of $650B. Then, $500 B could have been used to improve people's lives.

[MisterVeritis]

I should have majored in Political Science and Writing. I have a degree in Math.
Big deal. Your degree is worthless to you. You failed to learn to read, reason and think for yourself. No one I know with a degree in mathematics is as uninformed as you are. Can you explain why you know so little?

[MisterVeritis]

USA could have been safe spending $150B per year on Military instead of $650B. Then, $500 B could have been used to improve people's lives.
Any money not used for Constitutional purposes should be untaxed so the people can spend what they earn.

[CCitizen]

Big deal. Your degree is worthless to you. You failed to learn to read, reason and think for yourself.
I just know that Society has a duty to provide food, shelter, and medical people for all Humans. In Europe, even worst criminals have humane conditions of confinement. In USA law abiding people who can not support themselves are left without help.

[CCitizen]

Any money not used for Constitutional purposes should be untaxed so the people can spend what they earn.
I do not know why hectamillionairs can not be taxed at a higher rate. It is possible to live comfortably as a decamillionaire.

[Peter1469]

perhaps. It is always worthwhile debating how we use funds for Constitutional purposes. How would you know what is necessary and what isn't?

Look at Art. 1 sec.8, US Constitution. States have a much broader taxing authority.

[MisterVeritis]

I just know that Society has a duty to provide food, shelter, and medical people for all Humans. In Europe, even worst criminals have humane conditions of confinement. In USA law abiding people who can not support themselves are left without help.
You err. I can tell you love tyranny.

[MisterVeritis]

I do not know why hectamillionairs can not be taxed at a higher rate. It is possible to live comfortably as a decamillionaire.
The successful are already taxed, unfairly, at a higher rate.

It is not up to you to decide someone else's limits of success. Focus on yourself. You need some serious fixing. Only you can fix yourself. I do not remember the last time I ran across someone as greedy and grasping as you are.

[MisterVeritis]

Look at Art. 1 sec.8, US Constitution. States have a much broader taxing authority.
States are also limited by their Constitutions. Alabama's Constitution is a mess.

[countryboy]

Fear of Socialism is one of the GOP's big Bogeymen. They have pushed this nonsense for as long as I can remember to their loinfo crowd of "no nothings!"

"Stupid people will believe anything!"

Lol. Um, no. Socialism is an actual boogeyman. It has literally killed millions. Don't be retarded.

[countryboy]

I stand corrected. Nordic Nations and Canada have elements of Socialism.

No, they do not. As I pointed out earlier, even Denmark's prime minister disagrees with that stance and considers it a slur.

[CCitizen]

Lol. Um, no. Socialism is an actual boogeyman. It has literally killed millions. Don't be retarded.
Communism is responsible for 12 million deaths worldwide in the XXth century. Not Socialism.

[CCitizen]

You need some serious fixing. Only you can fix yourself. I do not remember the last time I ran across someone as greedy and grasping as you are.
I am among 44 Million people in USA who have mental disability -- Moderate Autism and Moderate Depression. There are 10 Million people in USA with severe mental disability.

[MisterVeritis]

Communism is responsible for 12 million deaths worldwide in the XXth century. Not Socialism.
I love splitting hairs with the best of them.

I sense you are a wannabe tyrant.

[countryboy]

Communism is responsible for 12 million deaths worldwide in the XXth century. Not Socialism.
Tell us the difference between socialism and communism. Here's a hint, there is none. It's all Marxist. Was it the United Soviet Communist Republic? No.

[ripmeister]

I love splitting hairs with the best of them.

I sense you are a wannabe tyrant.

Take one to know one? :grin:

[MisterVeritis]

I am among 44 Million people in USA who have mental disability -- Moderate Autism and Moderate Depression. There are 10 Million people in USA with severe mental disability.
You have personal problems. They are not my problem.

Get off your ass and do something worthwhile.

[MisterVeritis]

Take one to know one? :grin:
ignored as unproductive and incorrect.

[zachroidott]

The United States has welfare (corporate and otherwise), social security, income tax and public healthcare and education. Scandinavia isn't what?

[Tahuyaman]

Does Socialism have a bad reputation due to Communism?
Socialism doesn’t have a bad reputation because of communism. It has a bad reputation because it fails every time it’s tried.