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stjames1_53
07-31-2018, 06:38 AM
Communism makes a comeback
Ben Crystal

Of all the unhinged reactions I expected from the left in response to conservatism’s new American ascendancy, going full communist wasn’t necessarily one of them. It’s not that I put turning to an ideology that killed more people in the 20th century than the Spanish Flu, polio and AIDS combined past the children who thought Hillary Clinton was the answer. It’s just that wrapping themselves in the red and yellow just because the flyover rubes are wearing “MAGA” hats seems extreme. Granted, they don’t call it “communism,” anymore. Now, it’s “Democratic Socialism.” They can call it “Unicorn Poo” for all I care; the goal is the same: a world in which everyone, except them, lives equally… miserably. (See also: every place communism has been imposed, e.g., Venezuela).
And yet, witness the shooting star that is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. After winning the Democrat primary for New York’s 14th Congressional District, the dimpled darling is knocking down the kind of PR for which Hillary Clinton paid Uranium One-level money to shady, Russia-connected, consulting firms. And the Democrats are trotting her out like Led Zeppelin on a reunion tour with a reanimated John Bonham. She’s making the rounds, from Midwest campaign stops for third place candidates, to fawning Hollywood interviews with amateurish comedians, to wine-and-cheese gabfests with the political dilettantes who have grabbed liberalism’s wheel and yanked to port. Judging by the meteoric rise of the 28-year old “democratic socialist,” the outside observer might think she’s the next Barack Obama. And, in a way, she is. A virtual unknown before now; she’s TV-palatable, socially conscious and has absolutely no idea what the hell she’s talking about, most of the time.
Ocasio-Cortez’s script since taking her show on the road contains all the usual far left bons mots; promises of “free” health care, college tuition and whatever else can be charged to John Q. Public’s American Express card. Her brilliantine offerings have included a pronouncement that unemployment is low because “everyone is working two jobs.” She even hinted at “solving” the problem of homelessness by appropriating empty, privately owned apartments to house the homeless population. With the Democrats now standing against both the 1st and 2nd Amendments, I suppose I shouldn’t be stunned that a Democratic Socialist communist would find a way to oppose the 3rd. As per usual, nothing in her act contains an explanation of how John Q. Public will pay the bill, nor even a mention of the existence of the bill.
But Ocasio-Cortez didn’t win a close race in a swing district. She beat one of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s top goons; and she did it in a district which is only slightly to starboard of Brezhnev’s dacha. Her leap into the limelight is due in no small part to the fact that her predecessor, Rep Joe Crowley, has all the charm of unflavored oatmeal. Given Crowley’s formulaic liberalism — he holds a 100 percent rating from the anti-life group NARAL, supported the Obamacare fraud, opposes border security, and favors punitive tax increases on working Americans — it doesn’t take a Nobel to see that Miss Ocasio-Cortez got lucky because the Democrats got lazy; not because her message is one which will reshape America. At least she’s perky and adorable. The comely Ocasio-Cortez represents a marked improvement over the hammer-and-sickle’s previous standard bearer. Big brown eyes — even crazy ones — are damned sight better than “Doc Brown from Back to the Future.”
Socialism is political cancer. It literally ruins every place in which it’s tried; routinely with attendant casualties in the millions. But its message of “free stuff, and the rich guys pay for it” sells to millennials, their burnt-out hippie parents, and their college philosophy professors; none of whom realize that once they’ve gotten rid of the rich guys, there’s no one left to pay for anything. Nonetheless, the Democrats are bringing it back. It’s the perfect complement to their “pussy” hats and Che’ t-shirts — and losing.
https://personalliberty.com/communism-makes-comeback/

"...Socialism is political cancer."
It is destructive by its very nature.

donttread
07-31-2018, 07:05 AM
Communism makes a comeback
Ben Crystal

Of all the unhinged reactions I expected from the left in response to conservatism’s new American ascendancy, going full communist wasn’t necessarily one of them. It’s not that I put turning to an ideology that killed more people in the 20th century than the Spanish Flu, polio and AIDS combined past the children who thought Hillary Clinton was the answer. It’s just that wrapping themselves in the red and yellow just because the flyover rubes are wearing “MAGA” hats seems extreme. Granted, they don’t call it “communism,” anymore. Now, it’s “Democratic Socialism.” They can call it “Unicorn Poo” for all I care; the goal is the same: a world in which everyone, except them, lives equally… miserably. (See also: every place communism has been imposed, e.g., Venezuela).
And yet, witness the shooting star that is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. After winning the Democrat primary for New York’s 14th Congressional District, the dimpled darling is knocking down the kind of PR for which Hillary Clinton paid Uranium One-level money to shady, Russia-connected, consulting firms. And the Democrats are trotting her out like Led Zeppelin on a reunion tour with a reanimated John Bonham. She’s making the rounds, from Midwest campaign stops for third place candidates, to fawning Hollywood interviews with amateurish comedians, to wine-and-cheese gabfests with the political dilettantes who have grabbed liberalism’s wheel and yanked to port. Judging by the meteoric rise of the 28-year old “democratic socialist,” the outside observer might think she’s the next Barack Obama. And, in a way, she is. A virtual unknown before now; she’s TV-palatable, socially conscious and has absolutely no idea what the hell she’s talking about, most of the time.
Ocasio-Cortez’s script since taking her show on the road contains all the usual far left bons mots; promises of “free” health care, college tuition and whatever else can be charged to John Q. Public’s American Express card. Her brilliantine offerings have included a pronouncement that unemployment is low because “everyone is working two jobs.” She even hinted at “solving” the problem of homelessness by appropriating empty, privately owned apartments to house the homeless population. With the Democrats now standing against both the 1st and 2nd Amendments, I suppose I shouldn’t be stunned that a Democratic Socialist communist would find a way to oppose the 3rd. As per usual, nothing in her act contains an explanation of how John Q. Public will pay the bill, nor even a mention of the existence of the bill.
But Ocasio-Cortez didn’t win a close race in a swing district. She beat one of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s top goons; and she did it in a district which is only slightly to starboard of Brezhnev’s dacha. Her leap into the limelight is due in no small part to the fact that her predecessor, Rep Joe Crowley, has all the charm of unflavored oatmeal. Given Crowley’s formulaic liberalism — he holds a 100 percent rating from the anti-life group NARAL, supported the Obamacare fraud, opposes border security, and favors punitive tax increases on working Americans — it doesn’t take a Nobel to see that Miss Ocasio-Cortez got lucky because the Democrats got lazy; not because her message is one which will reshape America. At least she’s perky and adorable. The comely Ocasio-Cortez represents a marked improvement over the hammer-and-sickle’s previous standard bearer. Big brown eyes — even crazy ones — are damned sight better than “Doc Brown from Back to the Future.”
Socialism is political cancer. It literally ruins every place in which it’s tried; routinely with attendant casualties in the millions. But its message of “free stuff, and the rich guys pay for it” sells to millennials, their burnt-out hippie parents, and their college philosophy professors; none of whom realize that once they’ve gotten rid of the rich guys, there’s no one left to pay for anything. Nonetheless, the Democrats are bringing it back. It’s the perfect complement to their “pussy” hats and Che’ t-shirts — and losing.
https://personalliberty.com/communism-makes-comeback/

"...Socialism is political cancer."
It is destructive by its very nature.


Communism keeps coming back because it sometimes works to bring societies out of chaos and abject poverty . After that it stalls the society out and will evolve on it's own. Even if we take credit for ot like with Russia. As long as our economics don't fall that far it won't happen here. Socialism will happen first and that will happen of it benefits 51% of the people.
My suggestion , limit the megacorps, root out political corruption, take the money out of politics and enforce Constitutional limitations on federal government while allowing the states to run effective social programs like any society with compassion should, aimed at a hand up where possible.
Don't want to do those things? Then get ready for political hybrid to become more and more socialist.

stjames1_53
07-31-2018, 07:08 AM
Communism keeps coming back because it sometimes works to bring societies out of chaos and abject poverty . After that it stalls the society out and will evolve on it's own. Even if we take credit for ot like with Russia. As long as our economics don't fall that far it won't happen here. Socialism will happen first and that will happen of it benefits 51% of the people.
My suggestion , limit the megacorps, root out political corruption, take the money out of politics and enforce Constitutional limitations on federal government while allowing the states to run effective social programs like any society with compassion should, aimed at a hand up where possible.
Don't want to do those things? Then get ready for political hybrid to become more and more socialist.

I guess China is in it for the long haul..........All communism has ever done is left a fricking social mess where ever it goes, like a slime trail from a slug. Russia still hasn't totally recovered from Communism.

Admiral Ackbar
07-31-2018, 07:29 AM
Communism keeps coming back because it sometimes works to bring societies out of chaos and abject poverty . After that it stalls the society out and will evolve on it's own. Even if we take credit for ot like with Russia. As long as our economics don't fall that far it won't happen here. Socialism will happen first and that will happen of it benefits 51% of the people.
My suggestion , limit the megacorps, root out political corruption, take the money out of politics and enforce Constitutional limitations on federal government while allowing the states to run effective social programs like any society with compassion should, aimed at a hand up where possible.
Don't want to do those things? Then get ready for political hybrid to become more and more socialist.

You are wrong. This is the most foolish thing I have seen posted here in a while. BTW that is saying something. Communism NEVER EVER helps a society. Don't give me Socialism is not Communism they are the same.

Give me an example of where Communism took a society out of chaos. Sure it takes away all that pesky freedom and sets up nice orderly re education camps, death camps and gulags.

Sure it makes sure the civil discourse is very stable. None of that differing of opinion nonsense.

Sure it takes away the chaos of a dynamic economy. All those orderly gray concrete apartment buildings.

Sure it give everyone the same albeit terrible health care.

Nice and orderly.. yes Communisim is great. Why one might not have to have minefields, walls and attack dogs at the borders of it if everyone were Communist. There would be no where to go! How great for the entire world to be hopeless.

Sign me up Comarade

barb012
07-31-2018, 09:28 AM
The fact is neither Republicans or Democrats will go after the rich people for they are their political donors.

MisterVeritis
07-31-2018, 09:36 AM
Communism keeps coming back because it sometimes works to bring societies out of chaos and abject poverty . After that it stalls the society out and will evolve on it's own. Even if we take credit for ot like with Russia. As long as our economics don't fall that far it won't happen here. Socialism will happen first and that will happen of it benefits 51% of the people.
My suggestion , limit the megacorps, root out political corruption, take the money out of politics and enforce Constitutional limitations on federal government while allowing the states to run effective social programs like any society with compassion should, aimed at a hand up where possible.
Don't want to do those things? Then get ready for political hybrid to become more and more socialist.
Marxists always cheerlead socialism. Good job.

MisterVeritis
07-31-2018, 09:36 AM
The fact is neither Republicans or Democrats will go after the rich people for they are their political donors.
Why would we go after rich people? Envy?

barb012
07-31-2018, 09:51 AM
Why would we go after rich people? Envy?

How do you think socialism would work if they didn't go after the rich people?

Chris
07-31-2018, 09:52 AM
This was a great analogy, Socialism, Like Dracula, Rises Again from the Grave (https://fee.org/articles/socialism-like-dracula-rises-again-from-the-grave/?utm_campaign=FEE%20Daily&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=64803903&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8l4tdKhGR3ecBdjdRoKaMtjOKYBUUkCJLtYL7QVAeJ8hdGyZqu TeA9ji5O5QlAfxxRu6gQyszYBd):


Many of us grew up watching Dracula movies—Nosferatu, the “Undead.” Fearful of the sunlight that could burn him into cinders, Dracula lived in a coffin filled with his native Transylvanian soil by day, only to come out at night to live off the life-giving blood of the living. But to continue his “unnatural” existence, this human-like vampire had to kill his victims by draining them of their own blood, or in the process of turning them into “creatures of the night,” like himself. Welcome to the nature and history of socialism.

Almost every Dracula movie ended with his nemesis, usually Dr. Van Helsing, the determined vampire hunter, finding Dracula in his coffin as the dawn was beginning to appear. He would drive a stake through the vampire’s heart or would open a nearby window so sunlight could fall upon the sleeping bloodsucker. Dracula’s centuries-old body usually would rapidly decay into dust. The “undead” had now died, and the world was freed from this “unholy” aberration.

But, invariably, in the next film, the life-destroying monster, in fact, had not been properly killed, or one of the poor humans he also had turned into a vampire took his place to plague the living.

Sometimes Dracula initially would be portrayed as an attractive gentleman, appealing to the ladies (such as in the 1979 Dracula starring a young Frank Langella). But soon his true, evil nature showed itself as he fell upon his human prey and made them into “ungodly” creatures. Welcome to the seeming unending resurrection of the socialist idea in renewed appealing forms....

stjames1_53
07-31-2018, 10:26 AM
This was a great analogy, Socialism, Like Dracula, Rises Again from the Grave (https://fee.org/articles/socialism-like-dracula-rises-again-from-the-grave/?utm_campaign=FEE Daily&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=64803903&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8l4tdKhGR3ecBdjdRoKaMtjOKYBUUkCJLtYL7QVAeJ8hdGyZqu TeA9ji5O5QlAfxxRu6gQyszYBd):
and it is still socialism no matter how many coats of paint you give it.

Chris
07-31-2018, 10:49 AM
and it is still socialism no matter how many coats of paint you give it.

Right, borrowing from economics, socialism generally means central planning, so that's the theory, the idea that a central government of elites can plan society. Then there are various implementations: Communism, Democratic Socialism, National Socialism, even the New Deals (FDR, LBJ, BHO).

Mini Me
07-31-2018, 11:30 AM
The fact is neither Republicans or Democrats will go after the rich people for they are their political donors.
You are 100% right!

El Guapo
07-31-2018, 11:33 AM
I guess China is in it for the long haul..........All communism has ever done is left a fricking social mess where ever it goes, like a slime trail from a slug. Russia still hasn't totally recovered from Communism.

If you mean a trail of blood from 100 million dead...then yeah...it's like a slug trail.

:rollseyes:

stjames1_53
07-31-2018, 11:34 AM
The fact is neither Republicans or Democrats will go after the rich people for they are their political donors.

there will forever be rich and poor...............as long as a dollar figure can be attached to one's self

MisterVeritis
07-31-2018, 12:46 PM
The fact is neither Republicans or Democrats will go after the rich people for they are their political donors.

How do you think socialism would work if they didn't go after the rich people?
Hmmm. Your statement then, was intended to show we are in no danger of a socialist overthrow?

Admiral Ackbar
07-31-2018, 12:54 PM
Once again, you RWNJ's falsely conflate socialism with communism!And have never learned what democratic socialism is!

You do this to fool the loinfo fools that make up your 'scorched earth' Rethug party of 'no nothings'.
It worked for you when you went with Senator Joe Mccarthy and his Commie Witch Hunt, and Nixon's HUAC witch hunt, and Reagan's witch hunt with his Screen Actors Guild. Gullible, stupid people are your mainstay!



Oh The irony! Lol You Maoists never cease to amaze

El Guapo
07-31-2018, 12:58 PM
The fact is neither Republicans or Democrats will go after the rich people for they are their political donors.

Why do rich people need 'going after'?

You are aware that they pay like 90% of all income taxes collected by the fedgov, right?

El Guapo
07-31-2018, 01:01 PM
...and by collected I mean extorted.

Hal Jordan
07-31-2018, 02:32 PM
Once again, you RWNJ's falsely conflate socialism with communism!And have never learned what democratic socialism is!

You do this to fool the loinfo fools that make up your 'scorched earth' Rethug party of 'no nothings'.
It worked for you when you went with Senator Joe Mccarthy and his Commie Witch Hunt, and Nixon's HUAC witch hunt, and Reagan's witch hunt with his Screen Actors Guild. Gullible, stupid people are your mainstay!



Threadbanned at request of OP

Tahuyaman
07-31-2018, 02:55 PM
You are wrong. This is the most foolish thing I have seen posted here in a while. BTW that is saying something. Communism NEVER EVER helps a society. Don't give me Socialism is not Communism they are the same.

Give me an example of where Communism took a society out of chaos. Sure it takes away all that pesky freedom and sets up nice orderly re education camps, death camps and gulags.

Sure it makes sure the civil discourse is very stable. None of that differing of opinion nonsense.

Sure it takes away the chaos of a dynamic economy. All those orderly gray concrete apartment buildings.

Sure it give everyone the same albeit terrible health care.

Nice and orderly.. yes Communisim is great. Why one might not have to have minefields, walls and attack dogs at the borders of it if everyone were Communist. There would be no where to go! How great for the entire world to be hopeless.

Sign me up Comarade

Correct. One of the most foolish comments ever made here.

Communism is never meant to be a temporary measure to correct abject poverty and communism doesn’t just dissipate on its own or naturally fade away.

Common
07-31-2018, 05:18 PM
Once again, you RWNJ's falsely conflate socialism with communism!And have never learned what democratic socialism is!

You do this to fool the loinfo fools that make up your 'scorched earth' Rethug party of 'no nothings'.
It worked for you when you went with Senator Joe Mccarthy and his Commie Witch Hunt, and Nixon's HUAC witch hunt, and Reagan's witch hunt with his Screen Actors Guild. Gullible, stupid people are your mainstay!



TB per request of the Op

Wehrwolfen
07-31-2018, 10:37 PM
Communism keeps coming back because it sometimes works to bring societies out of chaos and abject poverty . After that it stalls the society out and will evolve on it's own. Even if we take credit for ot like with Russia. As long as our economics don't fall that far it won't happen here. Socialism will happen first and that will happen of it benefits 51% of the people.
My suggestion , limit the megacorps, root out political corruption, take the money out of politics and enforce Constitutional limitations on federal government while allowing the states to run effective social programs like any society with compassion should, aimed at a hand up where possible.
Don't want to do those things? Then get ready for political hybrid to become more and more socialist.

Wehrwolfen
07-31-2018, 10:44 PM
Hmm.., You forget that when Chavez was elected, Venezuela was among the top wealthiest countries in South America. It's economy was better than Mexico. Since Chavez died his daughter and the politicians that put him into power have stripped the country of it's wealth. Maduró is just as bad.

El Guapo
08-01-2018, 02:09 AM
No no...you have it all wrong...


https://i.imgur.com/h7h8vrJ.jpg