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Cigar
01-07-2013, 02:44 PM
..... After Supporting Disaster Aid For Home States (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/01/07/1407641/37-congressional-republicans-opposed-sandy-relief-after-supporting-disaster-aid-for-home-states/)


After Republicans from Rep. Peter King (R-NY) to Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) lit into Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) for cancelling a promised end-of-session vote on Hurricane Sandy relief, the House overwhelmingly approved a small portion of the needed funds on Friday. While the first vote provided just $9 billion in funds — compared to the $60 billion total requested — 67 Republicans still voted against even this bare-bones package. The majority of those Representatives had, however, supported emergency aid efforts following disasters in their own states.

The House is set to vote on the remaining $50 billion requested for the Sandy relief next week.

Eighteen of the 67 dissenters are first-term members, sworn in just a day earlier. But of the 49 Representatives with a prior House record who opposed Sandy aid, at least 37 had previously advocated for or touted emergency aid services following other disasters that affected their own constituents.

The “hypocritical” list includes:

1. Rep. Dan Benishek (R-MI): Endorsed emergency crop relief assistance after spring freezes.
2. Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN): Asked for disaster relief after flooding.
3. Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL): Promoted relief funds after a tornado.
4. Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA): applauded FEMA flooding relief.
5. Rep. Steve Chabot (R-OH): Asked for disaster relief after storms.
6. Rep. Mike Conaway (R-TX): Asked President George W. Bush to approve disaster relief after storms caused flooding.
7. Rep. Scott DesJarlais (R-TN): Endorsed disaster funding after storms.
8. Rep. Sean Duffy (R-WI): Backed disaster funding after storms.
9. Rep. John Duncan (R-TN): Asked for a disaster declaration after storms caused flooding.
10. Rep. Stephen Fincher (R-TN): Endorsed disaster tax relief and touted available disaster relief funds.
11. Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-TX): Endorsed President George W. Bush’s disaster declaration and its resulting USDA crop freezing relief.
12. Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX): Pushed for a Bush administration disaster declaration to include more counties after Hurricane Ike.
13. Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA): Endorsed drought relief emergency crop assistance.
14. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ): Asked the Forest Service for immediate relief after floods.
15. Rep. Sam Graves (R-MO): Begged for a disaster declaration after flooding.
16. Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD): Backed USDA emergency relief during a drought.
17. Rep. Randy Hultgren (R-IL): Requested emergency drought relief from the USDA.
18. Rep. Lynn Jenkins (R-KS): Supported disaster declaration after storms.
19. Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): Asked for a disaster declaration after storms.
20. Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-CO): Asked for disaster support amid wildfires.
21. Rep. Kenny Marchant (R-TX): Asked for disaster declaration after Tropical Storm Hermine.
22. Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-SC): Personally took an SBA loan as part of a disaster relief program.
23. Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-TX): Blasted FEMA for denying a disaster relief request after wildfires and pushed for USDA disaster relief for farmers.
24. Rep. Steven Palazzo (R-MS): Backed emergency funds for Katrina cleanup.
25. Rep. Steve Pearce (R-NM): Pushed the Bush administration to declare a disaster after Hurricane Dolly.
26. Rep. Tom Petri (R-WI): Applauded disaster declaration during a drought.
27. Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-KS): Encouraged constituents to apply for USDA assistance during drought.
28. Rep. Tom Price (R-GA): Called for FEMA disaster relief after tornadoes.
29. Rep. Phil Roe (R-TN): Urged a disaster declaration after tornadoes.
30. Rep. Todd Rokita (R-IN): Backed a request for disaster relief after flooding.
31. Rep. Ed Royce (R-CA): Called for USDA and SBA relief after fires.
32. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI): Backed a disaster declaration after flooding.
33. Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI): Backed disaster relief after flooding.
34. Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN):Backed a request for disaster relief after flooding.
35. Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-TX): Blasted the denial of a disaster declaration amid Texas wildfires.
36. Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC): Endorsed USDA drought relief.
37. Rep. Robert Woodall (R-GA): Requested a disaster declaration from USDA amid drought.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/01/07/1407641/37-congressional-republicans-opposed-sandy-relief-after-supporting-disaster-aid-for-home-states/

Peter1469
01-07-2013, 02:48 PM
We are broke in case you didn't notice.

Cigar
01-07-2013, 02:52 PM
We are broke in case you didn't notice.


Let's keep that in mind during the 2013 Hurricane Season when Red States are hit, it should save America a lot of money.

Peter1469
01-07-2013, 02:59 PM
Let's keep that in mind during the 2013 Hurricane Season when Red States are hit, it should save America a lot of money.

Fine.

What do you tax after the currency collapse?

You know, had the federal flood insurance program charged market rates for their premiums, Congress would not have to add $9B to the fund....


But the left can only use other peoples money to do good.

Cigar
01-07-2013, 03:03 PM
Fine.

What do you tax after the currency collapse?

You know, had the federal flood insurance program charged market rates for their premiums, Congress would not have to add $9B to the fund....


But the left can only use other peoples money to do good.


I totally support Republicans Voting NO to Disaster Relief for American Tax-Payers! :evilgrin:

Taxcutter
01-07-2013, 03:03 PM
Just remove the pork and the bill will fly through.

Is it that difficult to comprehend?

Peter1469
01-07-2013, 03:07 PM
I totally support Republicans Voting NO to Disaster Relief for American Tax-Payers! :evilgrin:

I know. You are more concerned with creating a dependent voting base, than you are will a sustainable economy. You are not alone. You are in the majority.

And when the system collapses, you clowns will say it was Bush's fault.

Cigar
01-07-2013, 03:10 PM
I know. You are more concerned with creating a dependent voting base, than you are will a sustainable economy. You are not alone. You are in the majority.

And when the system collapses, you clowns will say it was Bush's fault.



So obviously those 37 didn't care about America.

Adelaide
01-07-2013, 03:46 PM
I don't find this very shocking; of course politicians are going to think their home state is more important and vote or propose legislation accordingly. Not doing so would probably risk their careers to some extent as constituents expect their representatives to represent them.

roadmaster
01-07-2013, 03:59 PM
I totally support Republicans Voting NO to Disaster Relief for American Tax-Payers! :evilgrin:

The state gets it not the people who need it or the American tax-payers. If you have insurance you can only hope they do you fair or fight them. Come on Cigar, even when a person dies they only receive $250.00. Don't use it all at once.

GrassrootsConservative
01-07-2013, 04:09 PM
http://politicker.com/2013/01/mayor-bloomberg-criticizes-pork-in-sandy-relief-package/


Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who previously declined (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/bloomberg_bucks_trend_doesn_bash_1BOXKxp6BgHtbkDSj i2cCK) to slam House Speaker John Boehner over Congress’ stalled Hurricane Sandy aid, took his argument to the next level this morning and suggested federal lawmakers are partially to blame for the delay in the vote on the package because they insert “things that are totally extraneous” into bills such as this. Although Mr. Bloomberg didn’t specify the extraneous problem items, the legislation has been criticized by Republicans like Rep. Paul Ryan for being (http://juneauempire.com/state/2012-12-30/senates-hurricane-sandy-relief-bill-contains-cash-alaska#.UObc2G_Adho) “packed with funding for unrelated items, such as commercial fisheries in American Samoa and roof repair of museums in Washington, D.C.”

Shame on you and all your other democrat cohorts for politicizing this tragedy and tacking all this extra bullshit onto a disaster relief effort.

nic34
01-07-2013, 04:14 PM
I know. You are more concerned with creating a dependent voting base, than you are will a sustainable economy. You are not alone. You are in the majority.

And when the system collapses, you clowns will say it was Bush's fault.

For someone that sat out the last 2 elections, you seem really worried about voting blocs.

The founders believed in community working together, to create a "sustainable economy".

Most of us don't live on self-sustaining homesteads.

GrassrootsConservative
01-07-2013, 04:17 PM
Damn Cigar, look at all this fuckin pork you Democrats just threw into a legitimate bill for disaster relief efforts on people truly hurt by this hurricane:


•$2 million to repair damage to the roofs of museums in Washington, D.C., while many in Hurricane Sandy’s path still have no roof over their own heads.

•$150 million for fisheries as far away from the storm’s path as Alaska.

•$125 million for the Department of Agriculture’s Emergency Watershed Protection program, which helps restore watersheds damaged by wildfires and drought.

•$20 million for a nationwide Water Resources Priorities Study.

•$15 million for NASA facilities, though NASA itself has called its damage from the hurricane ‘minimal.’

•$50 million in subsidies for tree planting on private properties.

•$336 million for taxpayer-supported AMTRAK (http://www.politisite.com/2013/01/02/hurricane-sandy-pork-what-is-in-the-60-4b-sandy-relief-package/Don't ever let a Crisis go to waste. I mean you have a Hurricane and people need relief, whats wrong with adding a few items for the greater good? Here is the list •$2 million to repair damage to the roofs of museums in Washington, D.C., while many in Hurricane Sandy’s path still have no roof over their own heads. •$150 million for fisheries as far away from the storm’s path as Alaska. •$125 million for the Department of Agriculture’s Emergency Watershed Protection program, which helps restore watersheds damaged by wildfires and drought. •$20 million for a nationwide Water Resources Priorities Study. •$15 million for NASA facilities, though NASA itself has called its damage from the hurricane ‘minimal.’ •$50 million in subsidies for tree planting on private properties. •$336 million for taxpayer-supported AMTRAK without any detailed plan for how the money will be spent. •$5.3 billion for the Army Corps of Engineers – more than the Corps’ annual budget – with no statement of priorities about how to spend the money. •$12.9 billion for future disaster mitigation activities and studies, without identifying a single way to pay for it. via Can We Relax About Sandy Relief for a Second?) without any detailed plan for how the money will be spent.

•$5.3 billion for the Army Corps of Engineers – more than the Corps’ annual budget – with no statement of priorities about how to spend the money.

•$12.9 billion for future disaster mitigation activities and studies, without identifying a single way to pay for it.



http://www.politisite.com/2013/01/02/hurricane-sandy-pork-what-is-in-the-60-4b-sandy-relief-package/

Uncle Slam
01-07-2013, 04:17 PM
Disasters got politicized during Katrina - bored people will politicize anything and politicians will do it to deflect attention away from the real issues. Welcome to the era of "Divide and Conquer!"

Peter1469
01-07-2013, 05:39 PM
For someone that sat out the last 2 elections, you seem really worried about voting blocs.

The founders believed in community working together, to create a "sustainable economy".

Most of us don't live on self-sustaining homesteads.

Right. But the Founders didn't give us an all powerful state.


That is what you want today.

hanger4
01-07-2013, 05:48 PM
..... After Supporting Disaster Aid For Home States (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/01/07/1407641/37-congressional-republicans-opposed-sandy-relief-after-supporting-disaster-aid-for-home-states/)


After Republicans from Rep. Peter King (R-NY) to Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) lit into Speaker of the House John Boehner (R-OH) for cancelling a promised end-of-session vote on Hurricane Sandy relief, the House overwhelmingly approved a small portion of the needed funds on Friday. While the first vote provided just $9 billion in funds — compared to the $60 billion total requested — 67 Republicans still voted against even this bare-bones package. The majority of those Representatives had, however, supported emergency aid efforts following disasters in their own states.

The House is set to vote on the remaining $50 billion requested for the Sandy relief next week.

Eighteen of the 67 dissenters are first-term members, sworn in just a day earlier. But of the 49 Representatives with a prior House record who opposed Sandy aid, at least 37 had previously advocated for or touted emergency aid services following other disasters that affected their own constituents.

The “hypocritical” list includes:

1. Rep. Dan Benishek (R-MI): Endorsed emergency crop relief assistance after spring freezes.
2. Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN): Asked for disaster relief after flooding.
3. Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL): Promoted relief funds after a tornado.
4. Rep. Paul Broun (R-GA): applauded FEMA flooding relief.
5. Rep. Steve Chabot (R-OH): Asked for disaster relief after storms.
6. Rep. Mike Conaway (R-TX): Asked President George W. Bush to approve disaster relief after storms caused flooding.
7. Rep. Scott DesJarlais (R-TN): Endorsed disaster funding after storms.
8. Rep. Sean Duffy (R-WI): Backed disaster funding after storms.
9. Rep. John Duncan (R-TN): Asked for a disaster declaration after storms caused flooding.
10. Rep. Stephen Fincher (R-TN): Endorsed disaster tax relief and touted available disaster relief funds.
11. Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-TX): Endorsed President George W. Bush’s disaster declaration and its resulting USDA crop freezing relief.
12. Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX): Pushed for a Bush administration disaster declaration to include more counties after Hurricane Ike.
13. Rep. Bob Goodlatte (R-VA): Endorsed drought relief emergency crop assistance.
14. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ): Asked the Forest Service for immediate relief after floods.
15. Rep. Sam Graves (R-MO): Begged for a disaster declaration after flooding.
16. Rep. Andy Harris (R-MD): Backed USDA emergency relief during a drought.
17. Rep. Randy Hultgren (R-IL): Requested emergency drought relief from the USDA.
18. Rep. Lynn Jenkins (R-KS): Supported disaster declaration after storms.
19. Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH): Asked for a disaster declaration after storms.
20. Rep. Doug Lamborn (R-CO): Asked for disaster support amid wildfires.
21. Rep. Kenny Marchant (R-TX): Asked for disaster declaration after Tropical Storm Hermine.
22. Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-SC): Personally took an SBA loan as part of a disaster relief program.
23. Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-TX): Blasted FEMA for denying a disaster relief request after wildfires and pushed for USDA disaster relief for farmers.
24. Rep. Steven Palazzo (R-MS): Backed emergency funds for Katrina cleanup.
25. Rep. Steve Pearce (R-NM): Pushed the Bush administration to declare a disaster after Hurricane Dolly.
26. Rep. Tom Petri (R-WI): Applauded disaster declaration during a drought.
27. Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-KS): Encouraged constituents to apply for USDA assistance during drought.
28. Rep. Tom Price (R-GA): Called for FEMA disaster relief after tornadoes.
29. Rep. Phil Roe (R-TN): Urged a disaster declaration after tornadoes.
30. Rep. Todd Rokita (R-IN): Backed a request for disaster relief after flooding.
31. Rep. Ed Royce (R-CA): Called for USDA and SBA relief after fires.
32. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI): Backed a disaster declaration after flooding.
33. Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI): Backed disaster relief after flooding.
34. Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN):Backed a request for disaster relief after flooding.
35. Rep. Mac Thornberry (R-TX): Blasted the denial of a disaster declaration amid Texas wildfires.
36. Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC): Endorsed USDA drought relief.
37. Rep. Robert Woodall (R-GA): Requested a disaster declaration from USDA amid drought.

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/01/07/1407641/37-congressional-republicans-opposed-sandy-relief-after-supporting-disaster-aid-for-home-states/

This is the fourth thread you've posted bashing Pubs with sandy relief and have yet to bash Dems when they blocked 24 billion for sandy relief a couple of weeks ago.

You are such a partisan hypocrite

Uncle Slam
01-07-2013, 07:17 PM
This is the fourth thread you've posted bashing Pubs with sandy relief and have yet to bash Dems when they blocked 24 billion for sandy relief a couple of weeks ago.

You are such a partisan hypocrite

Hypocrite? I'd say partisan zealot, and that's worse.

hanger4
01-07-2013, 07:29 PM
Hypocrite? I'd say partisan zealot, and that's worse.

Tell ya truth Uncle Sam I don't believe Cigar's smart enough to be a zealot.

Uncle Slam
01-07-2013, 07:32 PM
Tell ya truth Uncle Sam I don't believe Cigar's smart enough to be a zealot.

Shit, I know I'm not!

Chris
01-07-2013, 07:51 PM
For someone that sat out the last 2 elections, you seem really worried about voting blocs.

The founders believed in community working together, to create a "sustainable economy".

Most of us don't live on self-sustaining homesteads.


The founders believed in community working together

No they didn't.

Uncle Slam
01-07-2013, 07:57 PM
No they didn't.

Depends on which founders you're talking about. To a certain extent, the famous founders (Adams, Jefferson, etc) did and didn't, depending on the question at hand. As for the commoners, by and large they did.

Chris
01-07-2013, 08:08 PM
Depends on which founders you're talking about. To a certain extent, the famous founders (Adams, Jefferson, etc) did and didn't, depending on the question at hand. As for the commoners, by and large they did.

What, are you going to give us the government is family analogy again?

In support of my contention the government was designed for contention, I offer James Madison and the Origins of Partisanship. It's a long discussion but here is a synopsis:


Critics argue that Congress has become the “broken branch” of government, marked by extreme partisanship and few achievements. They prescribe nostrums ranging from campaign finance regulation to redistricting reform to foster compromise rather than conflict on Capitol Hill. Yet the American founders, especially James Madison, believed “ambition must be made to counteract ambition” as a way to limit the power of government. The Constitution itself favors broad consent to laws over an efficient implementation of the will of a majority. William F. Connelly, Jr., the John K. Boardman Professor of Politics at Washington and Lee University and author of James Madison Rules America: The Constitutional Origins of Congressional Partisanship, and W. Lee Rawls, a longtime Senate chief of staff and author of In Praise of Deadlock: How Partisan Struggle Makes Better Laws, discussed Connelly’s book, as well as the benefits and burdens of partisanship, at a Cato Book Forum in October.

Here's a Cato event where Connelly talks about his book, with comments by Rawls: http://ne.edgecastcdn.net/000873/archive-2010/cbf-10-14-10.m4v.



As for the commoners, by and large they did.

And you know this how?