How to stop a school shooter? Something for you to consider personally!

Heres a scenario...........

You have a guy he is highly wanted, he is a real bad guy. We are not 100% for sure if he really is a bad guy but we got intelligence from a source saying he is. That bad guy is running from the police he goes into one of our schools during shcool hours it is a school your own child attends, and the bad guy shields himself with the children in the school.

We really need to get this guy. So we call in an air strike and Blow up the whole school. A few hundred innocent children die. But we got our guy.

Does this sound like a good idea?

Of course NOT! This is something that is not even fathomable let alone considerable.

Then why do we do it in other nations without batting an eye? Our goverments have gotten us to accept absurdities.

This is what we are partaking in. It happens many times per year the bad guys hide among civilians and we call in an air strike and take out the whole building. Sometime it is based on bad intel too. They are not always guilty. We pay people to tell on others and so they can make up lies if they are desperate for money.

What do you think is the right thing to do?

Surely we are better than this. A culling of the innocent is taking place in our name.

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Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson

Heres a scenario...........

You have a guy he is highly wanted, he is a real bad guy. We are not 100% for sure if he really is a bad guy but we got intelligence from a source saying he is. That bad guy is running from the police he goes into one of our schools during shcool hours it is a school your own child attends, and the bad guy shields himself with the children in the school.

We really need to get this guy. So we call in an air strike and Blow up the whole school. A few hundred innocent children die. But we got our guy.

Does this sound like a good idea?

Of course NOT! This is something that is not even fathomable let alone considerable.

Then why do we do it in other nations without batting an eye? Our goverments have gotten us to accept absurdities.

This is what we are partaking in. It happens many times per year the bad guys hide among civilians and we call in an air strike and take out the whole building. Sometime it is based on bad intel too. They are not always guilty. We pay people to tell on others and so they can make up lies if they are desperate for money.

What do you think is the right thing to do?

Surely we are better than this. A culling of the innocent is taking place in our name.

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Because they aren't our kids in your example.

With the terrorist situation, they are violating international law by using civilians as shields. And if we are only dealing with the one person as you presented an elite team may be able to get into position to kill him without the civilians being harmed.

But, to the root of your thread: I don't see the West not attacking terrorist targets because civilians are around. If your goal is that we just give up to avoid civilian deaths- I think that is not likely to happen.

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Originally Posted by Peter1469

Because they aren't our kids in your example.

With the terrorist situation, they are violating international law by using civilians as shields. And if we are only dealing with the one person as you presented an elite team may be able to get into position to kill him without the civilians being harmed.

But, to the root of your thread: I don't see the West not attacking terrorist targets because civilians are around. If your goal is that we just give up to avoid civilian deaths- I think that is not likely to happen.

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Your rationale means that only children on US soil matter, that is not human!

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Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson

What do you think is the right thing to do?
Surely we are better than this. A culling of the innocent is taking place in our name.

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What does that mean, "in our name"? How do you know who is innocent and who isn't, given Islam is inherently anti-Christian? It's in the Koran. Hello? What do you propose? This better be really good.

What do you think? I have already said it time and time again.

We kill just the bad guy. It is unjustifiable to blow up the whole building to get one bad guy when we know there are innocent civilians being used as shields. To use a bomb is just lazy. Send in a team, or wait him out. We have tech now that can see and hear through walls and bullets that can go through walls too. There are better ways.

If it was your childs school you would not agree that you should blow it up no way in hell! You would go in yourself and take the guy out with your bare hands if needed. Because you child is precious!

So why then are children of other nations not treated just as precious as our own children?

Do you not see the absurdity? That is the point of this thread. Some are just ignorant, but some of us have no humanity and do not deserve the designation human being.

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Originally Posted by Lummy

What does that mean, "in our name"? How do you know who is innocent and who isn't, given Islam is inherently anti-Christian? It's in the Koran. Hello? What do you propose? This better be really good.

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So are you saying the innocent civilians are automatically guilty because they may be Muslims? If so well sorry to tell you this is not a race war. We are not killing them because they are not Christians. Not sure what world you are from?

In our name means that what ever our nation does we as people agree to it and they represent us on the world stage. The actions of our government are the actions of the people. They act and speak on our behalf. They are our representatives!


It means my tax dollars paid for it, that means I did it with my own hands. It means You and I are mass murderers by proxy!

I pay attention to overseas ME media and I have never come across a story of "a few hundred children" being blown up to get a "bad guy" like your OP scenario portrays.

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Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson

Heres a scenario...........

You have a guy he is highly wanted, he is a real bad guy. We are not 100% for sure if he really is a bad guy but we got intelligence from a source saying he is. That bad guy is running from the police he goes into one of our schools during shcool hours it is a school your own child attends, and the bad guy shields himself with the children in the school.

We really need to get this guy. So we call in an air strike and Blow up the whole school. A few hundred innocent children die. But we got our guy.

Does this sound like a good idea?

Of course NOT! This is something that is not even fathomable let alone considerable.

Then why do we do it in other nations without batting an eye? Our goverments have gotten us to accept absurdities.

This is what we are partaking in. It happens many times per year the bad guys hide among civilians and we call in an air strike and take out the whole building. Sometime it is based on bad intel too. They are not always guilty. We pay people to tell on others and so they can make up lies if they are desperate for money.

What do you think is the right thing to do?

Surely we are better than this. A culling of the innocent is taking place in our name.

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What is wrong with your scenario?

1) In your scenario friendly forces control everything except the room the bad guy occupies. In real life that is not the case.
2) In your scenario you pretend hundreds of friendly school children are at risk (perhaps packed in one room?). In real life the few children may be relatives or the children of friends of the bad guy.
3) In your scenario you pretend there is no other option than to bomb the school. But in your scenario there are many better options.

Surely you are better than this.

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Originally Posted by jimmyz

I pay attention to overseas ME media and I have never come across a story of "a few hundred children" being blown up to get a "bad guy" like in your OP scenario portrays.

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Oh yeah good one. Nice that you are trying to make murder look legit! Good work!
Perhaps you live in a box? With no windows? Never heard of a bombing on civilians.
Its a hypothetical story that I created to help a person understand the rationale behind what we are doing.

Sure we do kill hundreds of children we kill thousands. Not always all at once sometimes there are adults mixed in with them since it's a whole apartment building. We do it all the time. You are sticking up for killing children. Do you feel like a real man now?

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Originally Posted by Just AnotherPerson

Your rationale means that only children on US soil matter, that is not human!

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YOU made it about a school shooting, here, in this country. Don't move the goal posts...and you made up the scenario. What if, what if, what if...........what if doesn't feed the cat.
What if the fricking sun blows up tomorrow?