This election is primary about race....

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Originally Posted by Awryly

Nothing "major" about it. Obama was simply doing what circumstances (but, unlike Bush, not greed) forced him to do in a political sense.

Now he is free of special interests. And I see he is not going to let them get away with murder again.

The rich will, for example, be taxed more. Of that, he has left no doubt. The Republicans are trying, yet again, to obstruct. But he has the overwhelming support of the American people.

If the GOP does not want to become totally irrelevant and lose the mid-terms in a landslide, it had better co-operate.

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You don't need the gop...just do as you please.

What does that first sentence mean. Do you know?

and the second sentence? He is free of special interests? HAHAHAHAHAH. And Obama is not going to let 'them' get away with murder this time....well...we'll just see about that, won't we.

I really don't think you have a clue about what is coming. And neither do you have an inkling of what obama is going to do or what he has said he is going to do. If you did, you'd be asking mama for your pacifier. And you, jackass are not even an american....what the hell am i even responding to you for.

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Originally Posted by Calypso Jones

You don't need the gop...just do as you please.

What does that first sentence mean. Do you know?

and the second sentence? He is free of special interests? HAHAHAHAHAH. And Obama is not going to let 'them' get away with murder this time....well...we'll just see about that, won't we.

I really don't think you have a clue about what is coming. And neither do you have an inkling of what obama is going to do or what he has said he is going to do. If you did, you'd be asking mama for your pacifier. And you, jackass are not even an american....what the hell am i even responding to you for.

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You are responding because you are an infuriated, dumb and ignorant little neo-con.

I imagine you are waving the Stars and Stripes and singing Yankie Doodle as we speak.

Meanwhile Latinos are dancing to mariachi bands.

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Originally Posted by Awryly

It is true that Obama was in thrall to the corporates in his first term.

But there are important distinctions to be made between him and Bush. Bush deregulated the financial markets, lowered taxes on the wealthy, ignored environment protection laws, invaded Iraq and the rest in order to do no more than make his cronies rich. There was no principle involved above the level of raw greed. And we know what disasters ensued.

Obama bailed the banks and auto industry not because they were his pals but because the US economy would have tanked out of sight if he had not done so. The standard was pure pragmatism, not ideology or principle.

Where I blame Obama is in letting himself be handcuffed to special interests who contributed to his 2008 campaign. The result of that is that criminal financiers and warmongers (including Bush and Cheney) were not prosecuted for their crimes and even managed a lite Frank-Dodds financiaL market regulation.

This time around I doubt that Obama will make the same mistake. Or need to. Special interest money went overwhelmingly to the GOP for the 2012 election. He has no reason to look on them favourably, and my guess is that he will not.

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We shall see Hobbit. Obama will either go Marxist on us or go underground and try to cover up his first term scandals. I vote on the latter.

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Originally Posted by Peter1469

We shall see Hobbit. Obama will either go Marxist on us or go underground and try to cover up his first term scandals. I vote on the latter.

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What do you mean by "Marxist"?

What "scandals"?

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Originally Posted by Awryly

It is true that Obama was in thrall to the corporates in his first term.

But there are important distinctions to be made between him and Bush. Bush deregulated the financial markets, lowered taxes on the wealthy, ignored environment protection laws, invaded Iraq and the rest in order to do no more than make his cronies rich. There was no principle involved above the level of raw greed. And we know what disasters ensued.

Obama bailed the banks and auto industry not because they were his pals but because the US economy would have tanked out of sight if he had not done so. The standard was pure pragmatism, not ideology or principle.

Where I blame Obama is in letting himself be handcuffed to special interests who contributed to his 2008 campaign. The result of that is that criminal financiers and warmongers (including Bush and Cheney) were not prosecuted for their crimes and even managed a lite Frank-Dodds financiaL market regulation.

This time around I doubt that Obama will make the same mistake. Or need to. Special interest money went overwhelmingly to the GOP for the 2012 election. He has no reason to look on them favourably, and my guess is that he will not.

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Great post. But you are wrong about Obama bailing out the banks. Wrong call. He should have let them fail. That is how the market works. Failure is not rewarded. To reward failure is to keep failure around. Not smart, right?

Keep up the good Hobbit discussion.

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Originally Posted by Peter1469

Great post. But you are wrong about Obama bailing out the banks. Wrong call. He should have let them fail. That is how the market works. Failure is not rewarded. To reward failure is to keep failure around. Not smart, right?

Keep up the good Hobbit discussion.

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What he did and what he should have done is simply a matter of whether you wanted a return to the 1930s or not.

You like dole queues and starving families?

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Originally Posted by Peter1469

Great post. But you are wrong about Obama bailing out the banks. Wrong call. He should have let them fail. That is how the market works. Failure is not rewarded. To reward failure is to keep failure around. Not smart, right?

Keep up the good Hobbit discussion.

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I am a Kiwi. How could I possibly know anything about the US?

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Originally Posted by Awryly

I am a Kiwi. How could I possibly know anything about the US?

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bingo or is that DingO

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Originally Posted by Calypso Jones

bingo or is that DingO

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You probably mean drongo, twinkie.