War with North Korea is close - a discussion

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Originally Posted by pjohns

Well, at least we now know which side you are on...

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Same side as always: Truth and justice!

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Originally Posted by pjohns

Oh, I see: Americans are the victims of mere "propaganda," whereas the North Korean people know The Truth.

Got it...

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They know A truth, not THE truth.

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Originally Posted by pjohns

Do you mean the very same military exercises that have been jointly conducted between the US and South Korea now, since the Korean Conflict ended in an armistice, in 1953?

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The very same.

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Uh, I believe that it is Kim Jong-un that has made these threats...

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His threats must be viewed in the larger context of US aggression.

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Why, exactly, would we need to begin "peace talks"?

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To promote peace between the USA and North Korea.

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I suppose that it could be argued, technically, that we never ceased our war with North Korea, since the Korean Conflict ended only in an armistice; but there has certainly been no armed conflict on the Korean Peninsula, involving the US, for 64 years now...

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Peace is a process as well as an outcome. If we don't engage in the process of peace (diplomacy, dialog, etc.), then we cannot achieve the outcome of peace.

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That sounds like just another pitch for "multilateralism"--a.k.a. globalism.

And I have far more respect for my toilet tissue than I have for globalism...

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It's really not. Simply involving the international community in the peace process does not require a global government. It just requires cooperation.

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Of course the US does not "own the entire planet."

But neither does North Korea...

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True, but the US is the only one who acts like they do.

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Originally Posted by Peter1469

When I was in Korea (both times), the military exercises were for typical US training along with joint operations with the ROK military. We trained on what would likely occur should the North invade. We never trained on invading the North.

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I trained with the ROK Marines, too. Rightly or wrongly, North Korea interprets US presence in the region as provocative. Something tells me the US would feel much the same way if Russia or China were in Mexico conducting such exercises. And the US has already invaded North Korea once, leaving behind incredible devastation, so North Koreans have a right to worry.

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Originally Posted by Ethereal

I trained with the ROK Marines, too. Rightly or wrongly, North Korea interprets US presence in the region as provocative. Something tells me the US would feel much the same way if Russia or China were in Mexico conducting such exercises. And the US has already invaded North Korea once, leaving behind incredible devastation, so North Koreans have a right to worry.

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The US invasion of North Korea was a counter attack.

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Originally Posted by Ethereal

The only dog who needs to be leashed is the US government. They're the ones going around the world attacking and destroying country after country for no reason at all. Who has North Korea attacked? Nobody. Just like Iran hasn't attacked anyone either. The US government is nothing more than an instrument of death and destruction, wielded by profiteering bankers and arms manufacturers who want to rule the world. And westerners are none the wiser thanks to a corporate media who relentlessly conditions and propagandizes them.

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Look, I don't really disagree with what you are saying, but NK is poking the bear by testing nukes every other month. That's just a neocon/Warhawk beacon and the current Administration is attempting to do the opposite of the last, so as much as Obama ignored NK, Trump is now breathing down their neck. Kim is predictably responding by flipping the US the bird and Trump is responding with veiled threats. Trump will not back down. Someone else will have to rein in NK or bad things will happen.

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Originally Posted by Peter1469

The US invasion of North Korea was a counter attack.

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That's the conventional wisdom. But some academics have questioned whether or not it was as simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Ethereal

That's the conventional wisdom. But some academics have questioned whether or not it was as simple as that.

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That would be news to the forces that were quickly overrun.

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Originally Posted by Peter1469

That would be news to the forces that were quickly overrun.

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There were border skirmishes between the North and South before the war officially broke out, so it might not be as simple as saying one side "started" it. Border conflicts can be messy and uncertain affairs.

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Originally Posted by Ethereal

Stop conducting provocative military exercises off North Korea's shores; stop threatening to destroy their country; enter into peace talks in good faith; involve the international community; stop behaving like we own the entire planet.

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Uh weve had many peace talks with NK and they break every one, even when weve giving them lots of money they do nothing in good faith
Im not saying we are perfect, I am saying that theres no negotiating any treaty that will last. They are like Iran