I am Admiral Ackbar

[Standing Wolf]

While Moderators should certainly be free to hold and express any view they happen to want to inflict on the forum and are willing to support within the context of a reasonable discussion, any member who makes it a habit to dismiss, denigrate and insult an entire American political Party as traitors and accuses them of hating America and wanting to destroy it, should not be in the position of either Moderator or Advisor. The leadership of this forum, in my opinion, should have as its goal and focus its betterment, and to that end ought to do that which makes it a better place and to encourage the same conduct in others.

[Lummy]

Movers and shakers in American law since and including the Founders have largely been what you describe you want to be rid of.

You've taken PC to it's death.

[Common]

DG, you are always more than responsive when asked about some bit of moderation that I have questions or concerns about, so none of my criticism applies to you. I have to say, however, that you can seem to be, in my opinion, a bit too "protective" of anyone holding a Moderator or Advisor position, and perhaps less than as critical as you should be in some cases.

As for The Hole, I don't go there and have no intention of doing so. I think in my entire time on the forum I've been there twice - once to try to figure out why a thread I started was dropped into it, and once by accident.

By the way, maybe I'm just missing it, but can someone point out the Rule that prohibits a member from pointing out that someone is a Moderator in the course of criticizing some nasty, over-the-top bit of nonsense that that person has posted? Or is that just another one of those "bad faith posting" things that seems to get created pretty much at will around here some days?

Why dont you just clearly state who you believe abuses their authority, these insinuations dont solve anything.

[Chris]

Why dont you just clearly state who you believe abuses their authority, these insinuations dont solve anything.

He cannot because he knows that other than warnings no mod action is taken unilaterally but by consensus.

[Common]

While Moderators should certainly be free to hold and express any view they happen to want to inflict on the forum and are willing to support within the context of a reasonable discussion, any member who makes it a habit to dismiss, denigrate and insult an entire American political Party as traitors and accuses them of hating America and wanting to destroy it, should not be in the position of either Moderator or Advisor. The leadership of this forum, in my opinion, should have as its goal and focus its betterment, and to that end ought to do that which makes it a better place and to encourage the same conduct in others.

No one has to post what anyone likes, moderators included and no one has to worry about anyones tender sensibilities, especially when their tenderness is 100% one sided and they neglect to see what anyone else is doing.

Speaking for me I make no apology to you or anyone else for my posting what they dont like. I will post whatever I choose within the rules. I have stated many times that what I post is not directed at forum members, it is directed at Liberal Politicians, I will not apologize for that to anyone ever. The same people that complain about specific things dont see others doing the exact same thing because they like theirs. PM me and Ill tell all about it

Some here think that this place should only be run and operated to their liking. We have a select group that incessantly complain about EVERYTHING and EVERYONE they dont like and they only see what they want to see, you can keep doing that if it makes you happy.

Those that complain the most and the loudest and the most often have accomplished assuring that everyone has come to just expect it and take it as business as usual.

If anyone has any "specific" complaints there are ways to address them. But the general complaining about Political Persuasion and this group is running that group off the forum and moderators are this and that and this one hurt my feelings and Im OFFENDED and he insulted my favorite politician and blahblahblah and all the baby silliness doesnt accomplish anything. If some one can run you off a forum, i cant begin to imagine how someone will make you run in real life

Got a real complaint step up and It will be addressed.

[Agent Zero]

He meant post as mods. In context, that was more than obvious.

As members they can post with, as DUtley said, a minimum standard of good behavior. If they violate rules, they get kicked off the mod team.

You are incorrect. I'll leave it at that.

[Common]

You are incorrect. I'll leave it at that.

Dont leave it at that, explain why hes incorrect

[Common]

This is not a matter about me “thinking I’m right”, this is a case of what is $#@!ing written and the accuracy of it. You were not correct when you said moderators do not respond in the hole, you should have said “from now on, admin instructed us to not post in the hole”.

You being snotty isnt impressive..Im not playing your usual semantics. Yes there was posts in the hole in the PAST, I assumed that was a given, its not like they were a secret, and the majority were in defense of mods being unfairly attacked. YOU attacked members in the hole when you were a mod, im sure you have conveniently forgotten that

Moderators will not respond in the hole anymore, so shoot right down there safety, do your usual, have fun, the mod team wants you to enjoy yourself, bash away be happy I myself would personally prefer the direct approach, I would PM the cause of my anger directly and tell them in a more personal fashion, thats just more masculine to me.

[Chris]

You are incorrect. I'll leave it at that.

Unless you put your post in a mod box, you are posting as a member.

[Standing Wolf]

No one has to post what anyone likes, moderators included and no one has to worry about anyones tender sensibilities, especially when their tenderness is 100% one sided and they neglect to see what anyone else is doing.

You know who the left-leaning Moderators and Advisors are. Do any of them ever - let alone routinely - label the Republican Party or conservatives "enemies of the state" or traitors to the nation, or suggest that they be rounded up and banished or executed? That type of hyperbolic hors*$#@! is posted on this forum on a daily basis by self-identified "conservatives" - some of whom, at least three that I can think of offhand, are alleged to be in leadership positions on the forum. Again, do any "liberal" Mods or Advisors post anything even remotely like that about Republicans or conservatives? Point one out - then you can say that my criticism is "one-sided".

Speaking for me I make no apology to you or anyone else for my posting what they dont like. I will post whatever I choose within the rules. I have stated many times that what I post is not directed at forum members, it is directed at Liberal Politicians, I will not apologize for that to anyone ever. The same people that complain about specific things dont see others doing the exact same thing because they like theirs. PM me and Ill tell all about it

The two liberal-leaning members who occasionally get somewhat carried away, in my opinion, are - and unlike yourself, I'm not afraid, for whatever reason, to say their names - Dr. Strangelove and Safety. And yet in their wildest, most over-the-top posts they usually somehow manage to control what might be their tendency to overstate the problems they see with Republicans and the self-identified conservatives and don't condemn them all outright as soulless villains, traitors and deviants. You might also note that neither of those individuals is either a Moderator or an Advisor.

If a member wants to make him- or herself appear foolish or even idiotic by adopting and promoting a cartoon view of U.S. politics or the social issues that are discussed here, that's on them. Every discussion forum has its wingnuts. I only really have a problem when one or more of the members with such an extreme fringe and condemnatory viewpoint have somehow managed to attain a leadership role on the forum - a role that should entail, more than just about anything, the promotion of intelligent, civil discussion. If you feel compelled to walk around setting fires and tossing gasoline on them, that's one thing; it's another to do it while ostensibly working as a firefighter.

Some here think that this place should only be run and operated to their liking. We have a select group that incessantly complain about EVERYTHING and EVERYONE they dont like and they only see what they want to see, you can keep doing that if it makes you happy.

Those that complain the most and the loudest and the most often have accomplished assuring that everyone has come to just expect it and take it as business as usual.

If anyone has any "specific" complaints there are ways to address them. But the general complaining about Political Persuasion and this group is running that group off the forum and moderators are this and that and this one hurt my feelings and Im OFFENDED and he insulted my favorite politician and blahblahblah and all the baby silliness doesnt accomplish anything. If some one can run you off a forum, i cant begin to imagine how someone will make you run in real l
Got a real complaint step up and It will be addressed.

What you're doing now is avoiding the issue I've raised - immature, inappropriate and fringe nutcase posts by some Mods and Advisors - by conflating it with people who "complain about EVERYTHING" and people getting their feelings hurt, and etc. (Or as you put it, "blahblahblah".) If you're trying to imply that I'm one of those people, you're wrong. I probably Report a post once every couple of weeks, if that, and it's almost always when somebody posts a blatant personal insult directed at someone else - not me - or, as you might imagine, when a Moderator or Advisor posts something that no one in a leadership position of anything ought to be typing - not even on an anonymous message board.

I believe I asked this earlier, but I don't think anyone responded. Is there a written rule against posting something like "That was an inappropriate comment for a Mod/Advisor to make"? Sometimes bringing these things up in a public way is, as tPF history has proven, the only way to get them resolved and make the board a better place.