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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemo View Post
    Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence - George Washington, who presided over the Constitutional Convention - and James Madison, who drafted the Constitution (and the First Amendment) - all declared that our nation was not founded on religion. The separation of church and state is the founding principle in the protection of religious freedom as provided in the First Amendment to the Constitution; and, moreover, the Supreme Court has so interpreted it. Everson v. Board of Education of Ewing TP. et al., 330 U.S. 1 (1947).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagny View Post
    Methinks you struck a nerve. Ever since the Diebold debacle, Bushco needed to 'blame' his win on something. He chose to allow the religious zealots to believe that it was their vote.

    We all know the reality, though. So, those who pander to the religious zealots, will fall by the wayside. Some, because their lifestyle doesn't match the pandering, and some due to the fact that there just aren't enough nutjobs to match those who prefer a reality based govt.
    Well put Dagny...they are sensitive and apparently lack a sense of humor...I thought it was funny but I guess some here think there really is a war on religion...ie christianity because we all know anything we do to muslims is a ok.... :0)...it's not a religion it's a cult....and all that other horse $#@!.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemo View Post
    Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the Declaration of Independence - George Washington, who presided over the Constitutional Convention - and James Madison, who drafted the Constitution (and the First Amendment) - all declared that our nation was not founded on religion. The separation of church and state is the founding principle in the protection of religious freedom as provided in the First Amendment to the Constitution; and, moreover, the Supreme Court has so interpreted it. Everson v. Board of Education of Ewing TP. et al., 330 U.S. 1 (1947).
    I know all of this and not going to go into it. Not wanting one religion to control. Freedom of religion not from.

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    Freedom of religion includes 'from'....or are you going to force your brand of religion on everyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keyser soze View Post
    Freedom of religion include 'from'....or are you going to force your brand of religion on everyone?
    No one is forcing religion on anyone. Perhaps this misconception is at the root of your problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by keyser soze View Post
    Well put Dagny...they are sensitive and apparently lack a sense of humor...I thought it was funny but I guess some here think there really is a war on religion...ie christianity because we all know anything we do to muslims is a ok.... :0)...it's not a religion it's a cult....and all that other horse $#@!.
    All religions are cults, son. That's what "cult" means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemo View Post
    If there is anything that can be gleaned from the intent of the framers of the Constitution, it is that our nation was founded on secular principles and not religious doctrine. The founding fathers well knew that the separation of church and state was the only way to preserve religious freedom. Religious wars had been waged in Europe over its union; and, indeed, some of the first colonists, the Pilgrims, came to America to escape state-sponsored religious persecution. Our right to worship freely, without government interference, is guaranteed by the First Amendment to the Constitution, and not by God. It is time that people of faith reconcile themselves with this fundamental fact.
    I agree with that. However, that has nothing to do with religious freedom and the right to think freely. That right does not cease to exist when a person is sworn into elected office.

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    You have comprehension problems it seems....I was clarifying to include from...in roadmasters post....but you knew that already...can you stay on topic without getting personal? No? Oh well....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alias View Post
    I agree with that. However, that has nothing to do with religious freedom and the right to think freely. That right does not cease to exist when a person is sworn into elected office.
    Bingo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keyser soze View Post
    Freedom of religion includes 'from'....or are you going to force your brand of religion on everyone?
    That's some funny stuff. The left are the ones trying to force people to take down crosses and religious symbols.

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