Captdon (10-11-2018)
Captdon (10-11-2018)
One of the true marks of greatness is humility. Acknowledging the demise of entire civilizations and cultures of people lost to the world in this process of transition does not diminish the present, but honors what has been sacrificed to make this (modern world) possible.
Columbus was not a particularly noble or altruistic individual - he wanted to be the guy who found a shortcut to India for very materialistic reasons and for its part in funding the expedition, the Spanish Crown was hoping to shift the balance of power in Spain's favor and reap the rewards of the reported riches of India. In fact, Columbus's agreement with the Spanish Crown was that Columbus could retain 10 percent of any "merchandise, whether pearls, precious stones, gold, silver, spices and other objects" that he "acquired" within the new territory. So much for altruism and courage. It took almost 10 years of lobbying various monarchies to find one avaricious enough to take a chance on him.
"Wrongway Chris" did not actually discover "America" i.e. N. America, he discovered the Caribbean and almost immediately forced the natives into slavery in pursuit of gold. His treatment of the natives was so horrible that in 1499, the Spanish monarchs got wind of the mistreatment of Spanish colonists in Hispaniola, including the flogging and executions without trial that Columbus, who was governor of the territory, was arrested, chained up, and brought back to Spain. This is the individual who is being honored on Columbus day.
He didn't even 'discover' N. America. N. America was charted by Giovanni Caboto aka John Cabot in 1497. So, if anything, it should be Cabot day.
Last edited by Dr. Who; 10-11-2018 at 06:31 PM.
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"The difference between what we do and what we are capable of doing would suffice to solve most of the world’s problems.”
Mahatma Gandhi
The man has been dead for 500 years. What on Earth are you talking about?
I don't think you're particularly noble or altruistic either but what I think of you is about as relevant as what you think of Columbus'. So much for courage? Who, you ride a subway to work. He embarked on a trip he may very well have never returned from. I'm sorry but this is one of your sillier moments. Columbus wasn't courageous...I mean seriously? Men like Columbus were the astronauts of the 15th and 16th Century except there was no calling Houston. He was avaricious for expecting compensation? What?Columbus was not a particularly noble or altruistic individual - he wanted to be the guy who found a shortcut to India for very materialistic reasons and for its part in funding the expedition, the Spanish Crown was hoping to shift the balance of power in Spain's favor and reap the rewards of the reported riches of India. In fact, Columbus's agreement with the Spanish Crown was that Columbus could retain 10 percent of any "merchandise, whether pearls, precious stones, gold, silver, spices and other objects" that he "acquired" within the new territory. So much for altruism and courage. It took almost 10 years of lobbying various monarchies to find one avaricious enough to take a chance on him.
BTW, the Spanish Crown didn't think too much of the enterprise and took a lot of convincing. They didn't pay much attention to what was happening in the new found lands because they had more important matters to attend to.
You're struggling with concepts here. You really need to stop Googling. It's not helping. Pro tip: Hispaniola is part of North America but that's not what "America" in this context. It refers to all of North, South and Central America. It was because of his voyages that this entire landmass came to the attention is the rest of the world. The rest is irrelevant to his historical significance."Wrongway Chris" did not actually discover "America" i.e. N. America, he discovered the Caribbean and almost immediately forced the natives into slavery in pursuit of gold. His treatment of the natives was so horrible that in 1499, the Spanish monarchs got wind of the mistreatment of Spanish colonists in Hispaniola, including the flogging and executions without trial that Columbus, who was governor of the territory, was arrested, chained up, and brought back to Spain. This is the individual who is being honored on Columbus day.
See pro-tip and further notes above. Please remember them.He didn't even 'discover' N. America. N. America was charted by Giovanni Caboto aka John Cabot in 1497. So, if anything, it should be Cabot day.
Last edited by Mister D; 10-11-2018 at 07:28 PM.
Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.
~Alain de Benoist
Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.
~Alain de Benoist