John Roberts Decides To Help the Enemy Hide The Number of Infiltrates in the US

[Captdon]

Well, no. There is nothing unconstitutional about asking other questions. I do agree that one ought not answer the questions one does not want to.

You're a hypocrite. Asking your citizenship or the citizenship of anyone in your home can be scratched off. You always change your tune when Peter says something. Only the gutless do that.

You tried to climb up my ass when I said it.

I don't agree that the Constitution says to count only citizens when it says no such thing.

[Captdon]

Well, the Constitution calls for an enumeration of 'free Persons' and the only individuals that it notes as not being included in that group were slaves and "Indians not taxed". So anyone who has posted on this thread in favor of somehow (and for whatever reason) further subdividing that group for purposes of the census is advocating that the entire purpose of the census should be altered from the way it was conceived by the Founding Fathers. No?

I'm curious - does everyone understand what I'm referring to when I note that the Administration has lied to the court(s) as to the impetus and motive behind adding the citizenship question to the census form?

I understand it and I don't agree with your reasoning.

[Captdon]

They have invented this harm out of thin air.

What harm? Would you answer this question?

[Cletus]

For the purpose of the Constitution requiring a census, yes. It's what it says. It amazes me how Conservatives or non-liberals adapt to liberal thinking. Ask or not ask. Don't use the non-requirement as an excuse to get information.

I guess non-liberals don't believe in inclusion and freedom of thought any more than liberals.
I wouldn't answer because the government doesn't need it to appropriate the House.

I didn't adapt "liberal thinking". There really is no such thing. I asked a question. Should a fugitive from the law be counted on the census as a "free person". I don't believe he should be.

I don't get your resistance to the citizenship question. Do you not think it is more important for the government to know how many citizens there are in the country than it is to know how flush toilets there are? You seem to refusing to answer the citizenship question just for the sake of refusing, with no rational reason behind it.

[Cletus]

I'm curious - does everyone understand what I'm referring to when I note that the Administration has lied to the court(s) as to the impetus and motive behind adding the citizenship question to the census form?

Sure, but regardless of the motives behind it, would it not be a useful question in determining the national demographic?

[Standing Wolf]

I didn't adapt "liberal thinking". There really is no such thing. I asked a question. Should a fugitive from the law be counted on the census as a "free person". I don't believe he should be.

I don't get your resistance to the citizenship question. Do you not think it is more important for the government to know how many citizens there are in the country than it is to know how flush toilets there are? You seem to refusing to answer the citizenship question just for the sake of refusing, with no rational reason behind it.

The Framers very clearly meant "free Person" to mean anyone who wasn't a slave or an "Indian not taxed" - whatever the latter is. As I noted before, they didn't establish "residents who are not citizens" as a category, and however much anyone might want to be able to establish that number, and however good and reasonable the reasons for doing that might be, the Census is not the way to do it.

[Standing Wolf]

Sure, but regardless of the motives behind it, would it not be a useful question in determining the national demographic?

I think I sort of addressed that in my last post, nevertheless...yes, it probably would be a useful number to know, but the court can't ignore the motives behind the proposed action.

[MisterVeritis]

I wonder how many non-citizens you harbor?

That's a load of crap for an answer. You don't have a rational statement so you resort to a Safety.

I'm going to leave you to your idiocy.

Is there some other reason you don't want to know how many non-citizens are in the country?

[MisterVeritis]

It is also irrelevant to the questions that must be asked.
1) How many American citizens live at this address?
2) How many non-American citizens live at this address?
3) how many illegal aliens live at this address?

None of those questions must be asked. The government can ask whatever it wants but you choose to answer them and I don't. I actually mean it when I say I don't want the government bothering me. You don't seem to mind at all.You're a phony.

All three must be asked.

How many illegal aliens are you protecting. Is your home a sanctuary home?

[Cletus]

The Framers very clearly meant "free Person" to mean anyone who wasn't a slave or an "Indian not taxed" - whatever the latter is. As I noted before, they didn't establish "residents who are not citizens" as a category, and however much anyone might want to be able to establish that number, and however good and reasonable the reasons for doing that might be, the Census is not the way to do it.

Illegal Aliens are not "residents". Resident Alien is a specific category of alien who has worked within the legal process and has permission to be in this country. Illegal aliens are nonpersons and should be counted as such.

Either way, that does not address the issue of whether it is in the interest of the government and the citizenry to know how many citizens there are in this country.