This about sums it up

[pjohns]

So in your opinion only a liberal believes pollution is bad? LoL Let me serve you up a glass of frack water then, lets see if you'll drink it.

This is an obvious attempt at deflection.

More to the point, your post condemned "fracking," "oil drilling," and the use of "plastic," among other things.

Basically, it suggested that we should return to an earlier century (and not even the twentieth century, either).

I really do not think that this is in line with most Americans' desires (thankfully!)...

[Rationalist]

There is not now, and never has been, a commonly used and accepted definition of "American" principles and ideals. Since its emergence, American society has been characterized by deep divisions along numerous fault lines. Every faction, whether major or minor, always lays claim to the true understanding and representation of America while accusing the other side of betraying basic principles. Probably the only principle upon which all Americans agree is that of accusing your opponent of hating America.

That's one of the disadvantages of individualism. In more nationalistic countries, there's a greater understanding of what really defines the culture. Values are more broadly accepted.

Individualism does have advantages as well, but we often overlook the downsides like this one.

[pjohns]

While we're piling on about Saudi Arabia and Yemen, perhaps, we should also include China in the discussion? You know, the country we heavily trade with and who liberals are freaking out about us having a "trade war" with?

If you guys hate authoritarian governments, then you should support the idea of us moving away from trading with China, or at the very least, you should support holding them more accountable.

This is an excellent point!

Ever since the Nixon administration--and I do hate that it is a Republican who was initially to blame in this regard--we have treated China with undue respect (some might even say obsequiousness).

I would rather treat China not as a friend--or even as a "frienemy," as the kids say nowadays--but as exactly what it is.

[Peter1469]

This is an excellent point!

Ever since the Nixon administration--and I do hate that it is a Republican who was initially to blame in this regard--we have treated China with undue respect (some might even say obsequiousness).

I would rather treat China not as a friend--or even as a "frienemy," as the kids say nowadays--but as exactly what it is.

Nixon opening China was brilliant.

Those who came after who didn't control / contain China are to blame for where we are today.

What we have allowed China to become, our objective now should be to divest the West from China. Let them sink or swim on their own. We don't need them.

[Just AnotherPerson]

I like my present home; so I do not plan to move--even to another place in the same city.

And I really do not need to prove anything to myself.

I am just unsure as to whether there is causation here, or correlation--or just coincidence.

(By the way--and this is merely an aside--when you speak of the "Tri-cities" area, are you referring to upper East Tennessee?)

Of course you do, because no one in their right mind would want to live near one of these places.

[pjohns]

Of course you do, because no one in their right mind would want to live near one of these places.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with "one of these places"; as I pointed out--you apparently overlooked it--I would not wish to move to another house even in my own city.

In other words, I prefer the house that I currently have--irrespective of the city.

(Oh, you also did not answer the question I had--just out of curiosity--as concerning whether you were referring to Tennessee, which has a "Tri-cities" area.)

[Just AnotherPerson]

It has nothing whatsoever to do with "one of these places"; as I pointed out--you apparently overlooked it--I would not wish to move to another house even in my own city.In other words, I prefer the house that I currently have--irrespective of the city. (Oh, you also did not answer the question I had--just out of curiosity--as concerning whether you were referring to Tennessee, which has a "Tri-cities" area.)

I didn't say it because I had already been asked where it is in this very thread by another member and answered.

It is Hanford.... It has several names, over all it is called the Tri-cities. The cities it consists of is Kennewick, Pasco, and Richland. Richland Washington is where Hanford is located. It is complicated but there it is.

[Cletus]

Nothing that you say could ever make Dr. Who look bad.

No one needs to. She is quite successful at doing that herself, as are you.

[The Sage of Main Street]

Knock off your damned psy-op. @Dr. Who is one of the most beautiful positive and compassionate and level headed posters in our forum. She brings kindness and beauty where ever she is. You are looking at a persons best attributes and telling them, they are the opposite of that, to try and get under their skin. It's pathetic just so you know. You don't erase a persons years of posting history with your bull$#@! posts. Get real! A positive person can also have a beautiful heart that sees the wrongs in society and works to change them. That is a much more beautiful heart than someone who is totally self absorbed ignoring the suffering of others. You keep trying to tell everyone you are better than them. It doesn't make you look better, just so you know. Nothing that you say could ever make Dr. Who look bad. In fact trying to do so, to someone so well respected and loved, just makes you look bad. I guess this is what you call being a positive person, LoL.

As a prize for your virtue-signaling, you get a heart-shaped Rainbow-striped Hillalollipop.

[The Sage of Main Street]

The America you claim to love so much was founded largely by rugged merchants and tax dodgers who profited immensely from their business dealings. Your Leninist ranting against commerce and economic freedom is some of the most anti-American BS I've ever heard. You don't sound like Thomas Jefferson or John Hancock, you sound like Karl Marx.

Lenin and his killer brother were sons of a class-climber who had been elevated to noble rank. Marx's wife was a Countess. Castro came from one of the richest families in Cuba. That's why Leftists think they are so fit for ruling everybody else that they deserve absolute power.

Left and Right are from the same toxic unAmerican source. It wouldn't surprise me at at all if Walton's grandchildren joined Antifa, but those who worship the predestined would deny the connection.