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    Kidnapped for Christ

    'Kidnapped For Christ,' Planned Documentary, Aims To Expose 'Ex-Gay' Experiences In Christian Reform Schools



    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4427968.html


    Wow, this is a story of gay kids experiencing extraordinary rendition to schools outside the US for forced anti-gay "therapy".

    The woman who directed the film, Kate Logan, says she lost her Christian faith over what she saw filming the documentary.
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/1...t-me-my-faith/
    Last edited by sky dancer; 12-15-2013 at 01:22 PM.

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    I think let the person decide.

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    The "treatment" was called "Culture Shock Therapy" by the administrators. So their actual methods involved jarring kids enough that they were more malleable emotionally and mentally. That was Step One, and it involved strenuous and intense physical labor and exercise, constant repetition of religious and program-written texts, and severe punishments for students who "acted out." Those punishments could be hours of manual labor, exercising, or actual physical beatings, which they called "swats."
    Resembles boot camp...except for the beatings. I wonder if those are shone?

    Are children slaves? While it's clear many Americans may disagree on the effectiveness of gay therapy (it doesn't work IMO), are we saying parents don't have the right to send their kids to whatever school they choose? Military school? Band camp? Summer Camp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Road Warrior View Post
    Resembles boot camp...except for the beatings. I wonder if those are shone?

    Are children slaves? While it's clear many Americans may disagree on the effectiveness of gay therapy (it doesn't work IMO), are we saying parents don't have the right to send their kids to whatever school they choose? Military school? Band camp? Summer Camp?
    Parent's don't have the right to abuse their children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky dancer View Post
    Parent's don't have the right to abuse their children.
    Agreed, but you'd have to make a case that such a school is abuse. Keep in mind that every parent who sends a child to military school, band camp or summer camp would be viewed under the same criteria which you apply to the gay therapy school.

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    This is no worse than Scientology and that happens in the US. Not making light of it, but I think when we attach "Christian" to something there tends to be a runaway discussion of "some" being applied to "all".

    These camps are $#@!ery, but even the title of this is also $#@!ery. "Kidnapped for Christ?" Not at all. He died 2000 years ago. I've never once been kidnapped by him and I attended Catholic schools.

    The makers of the documentary are jabbing not just at these camps but at a religion of 1 billion people, most of whom are nice people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alyosha View Post
    This is no worse than Scientology and that happens in the US. Not making light of it, but I think when we attach "Christian" to something there tends to be a runaway discussion of "some" being applied to "all".

    These camps are $#@!ery, but even the title of this is also $#@!ery. "Kidnapped for Christ?" Not at all. He died 2000 years ago. I've never once been kidnapped by him and I attended Catholic schools.

    The makers of the documentary are jabbing not just at these camps but at a religion of 1 billion people, most of whom are nice people.
    The maker of the documentary, herself a devout Christian, named it because of how disillusioned she was after filming it. She didn't expect to find what she found.

    Kidnapped for Christ is the name of the documentary. I didn't name it myself. These kids were shipped off to the Dominican Republic because they allow this brutal treatment that isn't legal in the US.

    Kate Logan, the maker of the film is an evangelical Christian, and was not expecting to see abuse at the school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sky dancer View Post
    The maker of the documentary, herself a devout Christian, named it because of how disillusioned she was after filming it. She didn't expect to find what she found.

    Kidnapped for Christ is the name of the documentary. I didn't name it myself.
    I didn't say you did. I said that she did. I don't think it's helpful and it is inflammatory. I've worked with gay teen suicide centers and I realize that religious disappointment has a lot to do with their self-opinion, and I think that's horrible since it should be a refuge not a nightmare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alyosha View Post
    I didn't say you did. I said that she did. I don't think it's helpful and it is inflammatory. I've worked with gay teen suicide centers and I realize that religious disappointment has a lot to do with their self-opinion, and I think that's horrible since it should be a refuge not a nightmare.
    I praise this woman's work. She herself, is a Christian. Kidnapping children and doing extraordinary rendition on them in order to torture them is not following the teachings of Christ.

    I'm sorry you can't see that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky dancer View Post
    I praise this woman's work. She herself, is a Christian. Kidnapping children and doing extraordinary rendition on them in order to torture them is not following the teachings of Christ.

    I'm sorry you can't see that.
    I'm sorry you can't see what I'm saying.

    If you think I agree with abusing kids or sending them away from their parents for any reason then you need to reread what I'm saying. All I said was that it is inflammatory to say they were kidnapped by Christ.

    They were shoved aside by their parents to a religious reeducation camp.

    Are kids at Fork Union, kidnapped by the military? No.


    The title could have been better.
    And if we should die tonight
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    Watch the flames burn auburn on the mountain side
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