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Thread: War with North Korea is close - a discussion

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    So whenever I hear of someone's wanting a "de-escalation" of the current situation, I want to know, specifically, what he (or she) means.
    Stop conducting provocative military exercises off North Korea's shores; stop threatening to destroy their country; enter into peace talks in good faith; involve the international community; stop behaving like we own the entire planet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    The key to all of this is China. I doubt that nuclear war with America is in their 5-year plan or even their 10-year plan. They are enjoying trade with the west and N. Korea is not worth losing the economic gains that they have made.

    Email from State Department to China: Please leash your dog.
    The only dog who needs to be leashed is the US government. They're the ones going around the world attacking and destroying country after country for no reason at all. Who has North Korea attacked? Nobody. Just like Iran hasn't attacked anyone either. The US government is nothing more than an instrument of death and destruction, wielded by profiteering bankers and arms manufacturers who want to rule the world. And westerners are none the wiser thanks to a corporate media who relentlessly conditions and propagandizes them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I guarantee you that the CIA has been working on that for a long time.
    No doubt they have. The CIA is the most meddlesome organization in the world. They are the secret army of the corporate overlords who own the west. Any nation that doesn't submit to the rule of international capitalists is targeted by the CIA for isolation, subversion and destabilization. If that doesn't work, then the next step is military action. We've seen it again and again and again. And it's this pattern of meddlesome, aggressive behavior that caused North Korea to pursue nuclear weaponry. They've seen what happens to countries who don't have nukes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    That standoff is of slight concern to the US.

    What does concern the US is NK's ability to reach the US with nuclear weapons. If they are going to attack, pray that their intention is to destroy a US city rather than employ a competent EMP attack.
    North Korea doesn't want to attack the USA. They just want the USA to leave them the hell alone. Nukes are the surest way to achieve that goal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    North Korea and China have both been making reasonable offers in an attempt to calm tensions between the USA and North Korea. The US government simply refuses to compromise, just like they refused to compromise with Saddam, Qaddafi, and Assad. The US government is the number bully and aggressor in the world. It's only through relentless propaganda that they've managed to convince so many Americans otherwise. North Korea has barely gone outside its own borders in decades, whereas the US government roves around the world wantonly destroying country after country. North Koreans have every reason to fear and even hate the US government.
    Well, at least we now know which side you are on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    [Americans] live inside a propaganda bubble that tells them how "exceptional" and "indispensable" they are to the world. Meanwhile, the world just looks at us like a bunch of bullies and rogues.
    Oh, I see: Americans are the victims of mere "propaganda," whereas the North Korean people know The Truth.

    Got it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Stop conducting provocative military exercises off North Korea's shores...
    Do you mean the very same military exercises that have been jointly conducted between the US and South Korea now, since the Korean Conflict ended in an armistice, in 1953?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    [S]top threatening to destroy their country...
    Uh, I believe that it is Kim Jong-un that has made these threats...

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    [E]nter into peace talks in good faith...
    Why, exactly, would we need to begin "peace talks"?

    I suppose that it could be argued, technically, that we never ceased our war with North Korea, since the Korean Conflict ended only in an armistice; but there has certainly been no armed conflict on the Korean Peninsula, involving the US, for 64 years now...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    involve the international community...
    That sounds like just another pitch for "multilateralism"--a.k.a. globalism.

    And I have far more respect for my toilet tissue than I have for globalism...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    stop behaving like we own the entire planet.
    Of course the US does not "own the entire planet."

    But neither does North Korea...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Stop conducting provocative military exercises off North Korea's shores; stop threatening to destroy their country; enter into peace talks in good faith; involve the international community; stop behaving like we own the entire planet.
    When I was in Korea (both times), the military exercises were for typical US training along with joint operations with the ROK military. We trained on what would likely occur should the North invade. We never trained on invading the North.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    North Korea doesn't want to attack the USA. They just want the USA to leave them the hell alone. Nukes are the surest way to achieve that goal.
    I imagine they have transmitted that through back channels. If not, they may have problems.

    There is nothing historically unusual in this situation. A great power is bumping up against a lesser power. There is nothing new under the sun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    Well, at least we now know which side you are on...
    That's a 'black or white', 'if you are not with us, you are against us' type of reaction. And I'm sure Ethereal is not the only American who is aware of those things, and has the courage to say them. These are historical facts, not a question of taking sides, and the web is full of sites proving what Ethereal writes is fact.

    And the US-led invasion of Iraq, a nation which has never attacked the USA, does seem to give credibility to his theory that many nations will think the best way to avoid being attacked or invaded by anyone would be to have nuclear weapons.

    Any American who can read can get access to this information, but totally nationalistic Americans will choose not to. So it is unfair to accuse Ethereal of being anti-American cos he tells the truth about your history. It is not anti-American to talk about these things, any more than it is anti-British to talk about the occupation of North America - it is just history. The biggest kid on the playing field is almost always the biggest bully.
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