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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    To sell out South Korea, as we did--President Trump even described our war games with them as "provocative"--was, in effect, a reward to North Korea for ceasing its bad behavior.
    They are provocative. And the only way to achieve peace on the Korean peninsula is to end them. Trump made the right decision based on his instincts, just like he did when he first agreed to meet with Kim Jong-Un. Unfortunately, there are powerful interests who do not want to see peace on fair and reasonable terms, so they will use this against Trump and portray him as "weak" or something along those lines, just like they did when Obama started the peace process with Iran. The horrible truth is that the "military-industrial complex" Eisenhower warned Americans about is very real, very powerful, and very greedy. They profit directly off of war and the prospect of war, so they will do just about anything to prevent peace.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post
    Precedent
    You have it exactly backwards, I'm afraid.

    It is the word of the US government that is worthless, not North Korea's.

    It is the US government who promised not to overthrow Qaddafi if he relinquished his WMD programs, only to break their promise.

    It is the US government who told the entire world that Saddam Hussein was harboring WMD while dishonestly linking Iraq to 9/11.

    It is the US government who told everyone that the rebels in Syria were "moderates" and that "Assad must go".

    It is the US government who constantly lies and deceives and breaks its promises, not North Korea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    I am still gaining an understanding of "Trump Speed". It took seven months to get to this point. I expect a peace treaty, demilitarization of the demilitarized zone, open travel in both directions, family reunifications, and a large but unobtrusive American presence in North Korea.

    I expect it soon. I would not be surprised if Kim gives up his nuclear weapons before the end of this year. Or perhaps he will agree to mothball them under a joint inspection regime.

    I will leave the details to the professionals.

    Trump Speed.
    Yea, you also expected the US to attack North Korea in April of this year. Good thing Trump did not follow your insane advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post


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    Trump is throwing out decades of neocon dogma and you think you're winning? That's hilarious.

    Trump's decision to meet with Kim Jong-Un broke with decades of neocon tradition of refusing to negotiate.

    And now Trump has pledged to end the provocative military exercises that neocons have considered necessary.

    Oh, and lest we forget, candidate Trump ran on his opposition to the Iraq war, the neocon war, which he labeled a disaster.

    Trump's instincts on North Korea and many other foreign policy issues run totally contrary to neocon lunatics. He just has to learn to follow his instincts instead of being baited by chicken-hawk desk-jockeys into pursuing the failed policies of neocons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ripmeister View Post
    I'm hopeful that this leads to something tangible and I give Trump credit for that. But lets be realistic. These last couple of days were nothing but eye candy. Time will tell if anything substantive comes from it.
    Lets not forget what Lil Kim started with the S Korea.
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    South Korean President Moon Jae-in credited U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday for helping to spark the first inter-Korean talks in more than two years, and warned that Pyongyang would face stronger sanctions if provocations continued.


    The talks were held on Tuesday on the South Korean side of the demilitarized zone, which has divided the two Koreas since 1953, after a prolonged period of tension on the Korean peninsula over the North's missile and nuclear programs.


    The latest sanctions sought to drastically cut the North's access to refined petroleum imports and earnings from workers abroad. Pyongyang called the steps an "act of war".


    "I think President Trump deserves big credit for bringing about the inter-Korean talks, I want to show my gratitude," Moon told reporters at his New Year's news conference. "It could be a resulting work of the U.S.-led sanctions and pressure."



    Washington had raised concerns that the overtures by North Korea could drive a wedge between it and Seoul, but Moon said his government did not differ with the United States over how to respond to the threats posed by Pyongyang.


    "This initial round of talks is for the improvement of relations between North and South Korea. Our task going forward is to draw North Korea to talks aimed at the denuclearization of the North," Moon said. "(It's) our basic stance that will never be given up."


    However, Moon said on Wednesday South Korea had no plans for now to ease unilateral sanctions against North Korea, or to revive economic exchanges that could run foul of United Nations sanctions.....snip~


    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/10/sout...rea-talks.html


    So Moon gives Trump the credit for talks between both Koreas. Fact not fantasy or any delusion by the left. Nor any Imagination running away from them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Trump "gave up" something that doesn't benefit the US in any way in order to facilitate a peace process that would benefit the entire world. How is that a fail?
    If I am not mistaken didn't we recently end the big joint exercise? The next rotation is when, March 2019? So, in essence President Trump gave up very little. We will know if this agreement is working or not. Planning can continue for next year's major exercise.

    I just checked. FOAL EAGLE started 1 April 2018.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Yea, you also expected the US to attack North Korea in April of this year. Good thing Trump did not follow your insane advice.
    It was not advice. I didn't believe we would see a war over the winter. I correctly observed that historically many wars began in April.
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    I think Trump got much more than people realize. Folks seem to have eyes and ears, but there is a brain disconnect happening here. Look at the agreement Trump and Kim signed. North Korea gives up pursuing any more nuclear weapons development, missle testing, and handing over the nukes it has. The facilities where they worked on these things will be dismantled. Trump agreed to provide security for North Korea.
    Not said, and not written, but wholly implied, are all the things that will develop because of this preliminary agreement.
    Part of providing security for the North will inevitably be combined force exercises, just like we have with South Korea. We will get at least one large military base next to the border with China. Our regional military drills will be combined US, North, and South Korean in makeup, and we will posture against China. The military industrial complex will embrace this. North Korea will take out loans from the World Bank to buy weapons systems and participate in the tradition of the civilized world of going into debt perpetually to enrich the corporations and big banks.
    Economically, with the North opening itself up to international trade, we will see an influx of investment. Big corporations will move in like sharks for a toehold. The people of North Korea will move from assigned jobs by the government, to being employed. Samsung will certainly exploit them for all they can, leveraging all the benefits of the North's cheap labor to lower prices on memory modules, chip manufacturing, electronics, and appliances. LG will do the same. Being Korean, they will have the advantage at first. The other companies with first dibs will be whoever Trump selects.
    North Korea will experience a period of growth and development that will culture-shock it's people. They will have tourism. Movies will be made there, especially historically-set films. The North, just like China, will grow from a producer of goods, to consumers. In a few years, it will be a replica of the South.
    There will be trillions made because of this peace over the coming decade. So claiming Trump didn't get anything is nonsense, he got far more than people realize. The North, too, will have gained alot. But they will have paid a price for it, the price of becoming the newest economic and corporate insinuating wh0re on the block. What a rough way to get broke in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crepitus View Post
    Well, tRump gave up joint exercises with South Korea.

    What did North Korea give up?

    Nothing.

    Fail.
    Specifically what exercises? Trump used the words "War Games" and not "joint exercise". I'm betting that there was a reason he used that language.


    A war game situation is a computer simulation used for the training of command staffs they don't involve the deployment of troops and equipment. A joint training exercise is a completly different operation. That is a training exercise involving combined armed forces rehearsing / training for war.


    I know the hard partisan left wingers like you can't accept anything which might show progress toward a denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula under a Trump administration, but your going to at some point be forced to admit that this is progress and a step in the right direction.

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