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    Quote Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
    I wouldn't say they don't work. When I talk about poverty in the U.S. I always mention whether I mean U.S. poverty or real poverty. Poor people in the U.S. are richer than many working people in other parts of the world.

    What isn't working is people such as Blad whining about poor people in the U.S. His comments are especially galling to people old enough to remember poverty. I remember working hard and having less than "poor" people have now. I can remember a congresswoman from California whining on NPR that some of her poor constituents were so poor they couldn't afford cable television. I'm sure we've solved that problem. When a liberal demanded to know if I had no sympathy for the millions of people staring to death in the U.S. the only response I could think of was, "Anorexia is a terrible disorder." What kind of alternate universe to these people live in?

    I grew up sharing a bed with two cousins. The two girls slept in what was originally intended to be a dining room. My aunt and uncle shared a small bedroom with the baby. When I got married we not only didn't have cable, we didn't have television. Another critical thing we didn't have was some high-paid government bureaucrat telling us we were poor and hopeless and demanding we take "assistance".

    Now I live in Mexico and sadly we have real poverty here but people do have hope. How strange.
    You bring up two important points about poverty. One, that US poor are rich by world standards. Why, because the US under capitalism is rich. As Kennedy said, all boats rise on the tide. Second, as your personal story shows, poor and rich are categories and what we see is a lot of economic mobility within and between them. Sowell talks about this a lot, how liberals look only at the abstract categories and not the individuals rising and falling economically.

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    We should really use the term relative poverty....which is more succinct when discussing poverty in the USA, Canada, and other first world countries. When politicians and the news media discuss poverty in first world countries, they are really referring to relative poverty. Absolute poverty is generally the situation we refer to when discussing impoverished third world countries.


    Here are the difference between the definitions of poverty (according to Wikipedia):

    Poverty is the state of one who lacks a certain relative amount of material possessions or money.


    Absolute poverty or destitution refers to the one who lacks basic human needs, which commonly includes clean and fresh water, nutrition, health care, education, clothing and shelter.


    Relative poverty refers to lacking a usual or socially acceptable level of resources or income as compared with others within a society or country.


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    Education is no excuse. The US spends more per pupil than anybody on education.

    You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

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    Well I do have to hand it to Obama. His administration is setting all sorts of new records for welfare, food stamps and the growth of poverty.

    Seems that neither Blad nor Obama paid attention to how poverty was reduced during the Clinton years--BY GROWTH IN THE PRIVATE ECONOMY.

    Why is a private economy that is being constantly attacked, threatened and laden with uncertainties from the Obama administration going to grow?

    Answer: It isn't.

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    But "GROWTH IN THE PRIVATE ECONOMY" means profits and that's downright greedy and evil!

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    We need more tax breaks for the job creators because capitalism says that the better the bottom-line for millionaires & billionaires so goes they are compelled to create (high-paying) jobs ... yes ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by exotix View Post
    We need more tax breaks for the job creators because capitalism says that the better the bottom-line for millionaires & billionaires so goes they are compelled to create (high-paying) jobs ... yes ?
    Worked like a Charm for the Bush 8 Years

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    Quote Originally Posted by exotix View Post
    We need more tax breaks for the job creators because capitalism says that the better the bottom-line for millionaires & billionaires so goes they are compelled to create (high-paying) jobs ... yes ?
    Loaded question. That is not what capitalism is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    Worked like a Charm for the Bush 8 Years
    You mean Bush the liberal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    Worked like a Charm for the Bush 8 Years
    Jimmah Carter created more jobs and high-paying jobs in 4 years than Bush in 8 ... but then again it should be a a capital-felony to mention Bush and jobs in the same sentence ...

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