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    US losses WWIII simulations

    US losses WWIII simulations

    Not a good result for the home team.

    In simulated World War III scenarios, the U.S. continues to lose against Russia and China, two top war planners warned last week. “In our games, when we fight Russia and China, blue gets its ass handed to it" RAND analyst David Ochmanek said Thursday.

    RAND's wargames show how US Armed Forces - colored blue on wargame maps - experience the most substantial losses in one scenario after another and still can't thwart Russia or China - which predictably is red - from accomplishing their objectives: annihilating Western forces.


    "We lose a lot of people. We lose a lot of equipment. We usually fail to achieve our objective of preventing aggression by the adversary," he warned.


    In the next military conflict, which some believe may come as soon as the mid-2020s, all five battlefield domains: land, sea, air, space, and cyberspace, will be heavily contested, suggesting the U.S. could have a difficult time in achieving superiority as it has in prior conflicts.
    America is use to low casualty counts in our various wars against inferior nations and terrorists. A near-peer conflict will not be like those conflicts.

    F-35s were shown to be vulnerable on the ground, but not so much in the air. Are surface fleet was shown to be extremely vulnerable.

    Command and Control was also seen as a weak link. However, the US military has shown in the past that lower units can continue the fight without micro-management from above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Why?
    With the defense budget stuck around $700 billion per annum for the remainder of President Trump's term, America's Warhawks are inciting fear through simulated wargames with one purpose only: demand more taxpayers' money for war spending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DGUtley View Post
    Why?
    We spent the last ~2 decades focused on camel jockeys- terrorists. Fighting a near-peer is a totally different skill set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    We spent the last ~2 decades focused on camel jockeys- terrorists. Fighting a near-peer is a totally different skill set.
    With much higher casualties. Much higher.

    Entire platoons were lost, companies during the world wars. People can't even fathom that now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    With much higher casualties. Much higher.

    Entire platoons were lost, companies during the world wars. People can't even fathom that now.

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    If I recall correctly we lost about a thousand men killed and wounded during a training accident in WWII.
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    No surprise. We could not win Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan. And that was before trans-soldier and soyboys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackercruster View Post
    No surprise. We could not win Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan. And that was before trans-soldier and soyboys.
    Mechanically we could have, quite easily. But we hamstring our military with PC doctrines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    If I recall correctly we lost about a thousand men killed and wounded during a training accident in WWII.
    The US Army Air Forces (not a separate branch at the time) experienced tens of thousands of training accidents that resulted in over 10,000 deaths.
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    Fairly obvious attempt to further subsidize the military industrial complex.

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