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    Quote Originally Posted by stjames1_53 View Post
    are you really so cruel to hope that on any one? Is your heart so callused and cold that such the mere mention of something like that gives you a Cheshire cat grin and sends shiver from your head to toe? All because you still feel Hillary should have won?
    You make me ill................
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Well, his association with DJT put him in the spotlight of the investigation. To the degree that it uncovered a million sins, that's on him. If you are going to spend your life breaking laws, a smart person would maintain a low profile. He didn't. The FBI undoubtedly shared information with law enforcement in New York State. If the State is given evidence of a crime or crimes on a silver platter, they can't ignore it.

    If I were DJT I'd be very nervous. I expect that the Feds have a ton of evidence on him. They can't charge him as a sitting President. What to do? If I were them I would wait for the outcome of the next election. If he loses, I would expect that the next day he would be charged with all manner of things. If he wins, they will probably share the evidence with Congress in short order. In the meantime, all of his crooked associates will be going down very publically. Does anyone think that an honest person surrounds themselves with crooks?
    The Feds also have to think about the statute of limitations for any law they believed Trump, his family, or businesses committed. They are under so much scrutiny, especially from the IRS that I suspect they have a nothing burger. The College Admissions Scandal was discovered by the IRS. The ringleader created a fake charity so those who paid him off could deduct that from their taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The Feds also have to think about the statute of limitations for any law they believed Trump, his family, or businesses committed. They are under so much scrutiny, especially from the IRS that I suspect they have a nothing burger. The College Admissions Scandal was discovered by the IRS. The ringleader created a fake charity so those who paid him off could deduct that from their taxes.
    They can (may have) indict(ed) him now under seal and serve him when he leaves office, assuming no one challenges the ridiculous DOJ policy of not indicting a sitting president.

    The college admissions scandal was uncovered by the FBI as a byproduct of another undercover operation.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fb...eme/ar-BBUGhsh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Whatever sins (turn of phrase) that Clinton/Obama share, they have already marked that case closed. Reopening it would require new evidence. The FBI are the human equivalent of bloodhounds. They were given a scent to track and that's what they've done. There is no point in whataboutisms where they failed to get sufficient evidence to levy charges. Perhaps there was political interference in the past and perhaps not. Perhaps Hillary was just more skilled in covering her tracks (she is a lawyer). DJT's associates are obviously not that clever. They weren't caught previously because no one was looking at them. Saying that they were targeted because of DJT is not a defense to criminal activity and don't assume that because the FBI isn't sharing what they may have on DJT to mean that they have nothing. They can't charge him because he is the President, so they can afford to bide their time and continue digging. Politically it would create instability to set him up for impeachment now. The nation is just recovering from an economic downturn and the next Presidential election isn't that far off.
    The FBI had evidence to charge Hill with violations of the espionage act (the lowest level of the crime rather than the more serious intent crime). They were talked out of it by political appointees at the DoJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    They can (may have) indict(ed) him now under seal and serve him when he leaves office, assuming no one challenges the ridiculous DOJ policy of not indicting a sitting president.

    The college admissions scandal was uncovered by the FBI as a byproduct of another undercover operation.
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fb...eme/ar-BBUGhsh
    Good point about a sealed indictment. I never used one- it isn't an option under the USMJ.


    The IRS notified the FBI of the strange deductions on individual tax returns and then the FBI set up the sting op.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The FBI had evidence to charge Hill with violations of the espionage act (the lowest level of the crime rather than the more serious intent crime). They were talked out of it by political appointees at the DoJ.
    That's one way to put it.

    The other is that DOJ lawyers felt that gross negligence is a constitutionally vague charge and difficult/impossible to prove given the evidence.

    I've read the Page transcript. It's quite amusing to compare what it actually says to the way some have tried to spin it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexa View Post
    That's one way to put it.

    The other is that DOJ lawyers felt that gross negligence is a constitutionally vague charge and difficult/impossible to prove given the evidence.

    I've read the Page transcript. It's quite amusing to compare what it actually says to the way some have tried to spin it.
    Gross negligence is an element of many crimes and has been used regularly in federal district courts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Good point about a sealed indictment. I never used one- it isn't an option under the USMJ.



    The IRS notified the FBI of the strange deductions on individual tax returns and then the FBI set up the sting op.
    The scheme was discovered accidentally by the FBI while working an unrelated undercover operation about a year ago, officials said. That tip led to a sprawling, nationwide corruption probe.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.44bd7bf9c12c

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    The FBI uncovered the $25 million nationwide college admissions cheating scandal by accident while agents were working an unrelated securities fraud case, two law enforcement sources told ABC News.
    The Boston-based agents received a tip from someone connected to the securities fraud investigation about the alleged $400,000 bribe paid to the then-head women's soccer coach at Yale to fabricate athletic credentials, the sources said.
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updat...ry?id=61651630

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