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Thread: America's birth rate is now a national emergency

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    MR V is correct. Natalist policies are something the US should pursue. Obviously.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    No implied accusations of racism? What was this?



    Then again, maybe you're right. That was fairly explicit and unfortunately typical of you.

    If that's the case, the OP is patent nonsense. When immigration policy was changed in the mid 1960s the birthrate was above the replacement rate. No, Dr. Who, the changes to our immigration policy (and your own) had nothing to do with fertility. Yes, importing poverty is a great idea. It's really going to pay off in the end! I know I'm convinced.

    We can file this next to "vegetables prices will skyrocket if we don't have migrants to pick them".
    I don't try to use pseudo-scientific terms to sanitize my comments like: "The goal is to preserve a particular biocultural entity". Do you honestly think that you are fooling anyone with such phrases? It's meaning was patently obvious i.e. the goal is to keep America white - ethnically of European extraction. Good grief. That might be your goal, but there may be other goals that value the perpetuation of a nation for its own sake rather than supporting the insular identity issues of those who are insufficiently invested in preserving that "biocultural entity" that they would voluntarily have more than 1 to 1.5 kids per couple, if any children at all.
    Last edited by Dr. Who; 03-30-2017 at 10:47 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterVeritis View Post
    Stop paying dumb democrats to breed more dumb democrats.

    So... you want more Americans, but not Democrat Americans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by decedent View Post
    So... you want more Americans, but not Democrat Americans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    It's more than tax rates. It's also a culture. We expect more and more material comforts. It's not sustainable with or without immigrants.
    This.

    Exactly this. We need to change what we are valuing to fix this problem.

    There was a time when children were not seen as a burden but something to be baked and cherished. Being a father or mother was something that was respected.

    Now children are seen as little more than tax deductions that clearly aren't worth the deduction. Marriages and Parenthood is seen as a buzz kill instead of something to aspire to.

    People have forgotten how to sacrifice and go without. Long term planning and desire for future reward has been tossed aside because.... hey check out the new iPhone 7.

    Humans with these priorities at the top will go extinct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    I am posting this based on comments in another thread which I don't want to derail. However, the comments posted suggested that America should be importing more Europeans than those from third-world countries. That actually presupposes that Europeans are lining up to immigrate to America. However, the fact is that America is plagued with a very low birth rate.

    "The new birth rate numbers are out, and they're a disaster. There are now only 59.6 births per 1,000 women, the lowest rate ever recorded in the United States. Some of the decrease is due to good news, which is the continuing decline of teen pregnancies, but most of it is due to people getting married later and choosing to have fewer children. And the worst part is, everyone is treating this news with a shrug."

    http://theweek.com/articles/642303/a...onal-emergency

    Europe has a very similar problem:

    "Europe is ageing. On average, each woman has 1.58 children in the EU, substantially below the 2.1 children needed to sustain the current population level. Due to low death-rates and high net-migration, the overall population in Europe may be increasing, but the median age is crawling slowly upwards: 42 years in 2014 compared to just 29 a decade earlier."

    http://www.debatingeurope.eu/2016/05.../#.WNxEb28rKM8

    So, if you are tasked with population replacement, do you bring in more people who won't reproduce or do you bring in people who will produce future tax payers.

    Discuss.
    Remeber when zero population growth or even decrease was the goal? A few million less people isn't going to hurt the world a bit

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    Chinese birth rate not enough to replenish labor market...

    Demographic time bomb continues to tick away in China
    Fri, May 19, 2017 - Even after the Chinese government cleared the way for couples to have a second child, working women are reluctant to expand their family — or have any children at all, according to a new survey by Zhaopin.com, one of the nation’s biggest online recruitment Web sites.
    About 40 percent of working women without children do not want to have any and about two-thirds of those with a child do not want a second, the poll found. In big cities, such as Beijing or Shanghai, hefty living costs, long work hours and surging expenses linked to raising children have deterred more women from becoming moms. The phenomenon is not unique to China, given the pressures that working women face around the globe. However, it is particularly acute for the nation given its rapidly aging population.


    More than three decades of a one-child policy has left the nation with too few young people to support an expanding elderly population, which is eroding competitiveness and weighing on the social welfare system. After announcing a two-child rule in October 2015, officials estimated an increase of 4 million additional births per year through 2020, but last year births increased by just 1.31 million from a year earlier to 17.86 million. That prompted the government to consider measures such as “birth rewards and subsidies” to help encourage more people to have another child.


    Yet China remains far from providing incentive packages as seen in Singapore or Germany and a porous safety network offers little help to families who cannot afford children’s education or healthcare. Child-bearing might also lead to real financial or career losses. The survey found that 33 percent of women had their pay cut after giving birth and 36 percent were demoted. Among the top reasons cited for not having kids by the Zhaopin.com survey are “not enough time and energy” and “too expensive to raise children.”


    http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/worl.../19/2003670901

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    Get that birth rate up so America will be as rich as India!


    Most rich nations have decreased birth rates. It's a thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cthulhu View Post
    Than the elderly suffer because they bet on a loser - the government.

    I'm feeding my own kids before some old person.

    Fear profits a man nothing.
    Ever figure on being "some old person"?
    Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I digress....

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Jim View Post
    Ever figure on being "some old person"?
    An old person rolling message boards? Seriously, no. I'll eat a gun before that happens.
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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