U.S.-North Korea agreement signed by Trump, Kim

[MMC]

What a bunch of anti-American garbage. Absolutely disgraceful. And I notice you didn't respond to Paine's actual argument. Instead, you chose to attack his character.
LMAO, its not a bunch of Garbage its called reality. That's how Paine checked out. Hardly any friends. All his previous work eradicated by his religious beliefs. Try studying history, rather than that lame philosophy you do. While looking to make all semantics of that philosophy workable.


So when Obama was the president and the Democrats controlled the Congress, and people like you were attacking almost everything the US government did, that would mean you were attacking America, according to your asinine logic.


You forgot when I attacked Repubs under BO the Peeps Administration. Oh and there was a couple things I agreed with the Peep on. So your backward lame excuse just didn't pan out here. But I did know you would try and come with another failing of your umm self professed intelligence.

I'm the only one who has a clue.
We can start with the fact that America predates the existence of the US government. My ancestors came to America as early as 1699, almost 100 years before the US constitution was ratified. So how can the US government be America if America came before the US government?

In fact, the US government is merely PART of America. And criticizing PART of America does not imply a criticism of the WHOLE. I can criticize PART of a movie while still liking the movie as a WHOLE. This is so simple that even a child could grasp it. So why can't you?



Only by dishonest and ignorant people.

No at best you have a sliver of a clue. That's why you argue off of semantics, and half the time over philosophic points applied with political science. Along with your concept that all the US government does is bad.

We can start with the fact that American Indians didn't call the Land America. It was named America by the Europeans. Specifically by Amerigo Vespucci.

Again a semantic about the US government being part of the Country. While it is true.....the people choose who they want for government of their country. Which means that government is a representation of the Country. Acting as the Country.

Yeah yeah you can dislike a part of movie while still liking the movie. But that's not what you do on political sites. As you don't just criticize part of what the government does. You criticize and dump on all it does. Everything it does. Which means then you are dumping on the Country.


Wrong you get called out.....by even young Republicans.....middle age Republicans. So there goes your lame ass theory about Mean Old Repubs always picking on you. (invoking your Victim Status) Oh and they aren't being dishonest or ignorant. Not for telling the truth and like it is.


You call yourself a Libertarian....I have actually tried getting a known Libertarian to come here(and I do mean known for a good 45 years) just so I could watch him tear your bull$#@! anti American rhetoric down and give you that mental check you deserve.

But it wouldn't last long you would tuck tail and ignore him. Then whine about the site and all those mean Old Repubs constantly calling you out.

[MMC]

Critiques of "America" are taken emotionally and I think you told me you used to take it that way too. I did too. The problem here is Tahu is stubborn.

Criticisms are also given emotionally. There is a difference in giving critiques some of the time as opposed to doing it always and for everything.

All into politics deeply are stubborn.....left, Right, and independents. Even those who think they are true Neutral. Even Gender wise. Male and Female.

[pjohns]

No, I blame the US government. And if you cannot or will not accept the important distinction between America and the US government, then you are the one who is anti-American.

The last I checked, it is American citizens who elect our government officials. (The latter do not just seize power, arbitrarily.)

So any distinction between "America" and "the US government" is really a distinction without a difference...

[pjohns]

So if North Korea stationed thousands of its troops in Mexico and regularly conducted simulated invasions of the USA right off our border, you'd be okay with it?

As noted previously: The relationship between Mexico and the US is not even remotely similar to the relationship between North Korea and South Korea.

So I would consider that possibility to be so remote as to be not even theoretical.

None of which is in the interests of the average American. If anything, it constitutes a massive burden on taxpayers who are endlessly extorted in order to pay for this bloated military empire. Money that could be spent on things like infrastructure, education, healthcare, tax cuts, debt payments, etc., are sent into a foreign black hole with no clear return on the investment.

Only liberals and libertarians think that way: Why, we should not "infect" other countries with American ideals...

The fact is, I am not an isolationist.

Well, the only alternative to isolationism is interventionism

Would you consider yourself, then, to be an interventionist?

As for my beliefs with regards to military commitments, they're largely the same as the beliefs held by George Washington or Thomas Jefferson. You, on the other hand, seem to believe in the progressive-internationalist doctrine by figures like Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, or FDR.

There is a logical fallacy known as Guilt by Association.

​By putting me on the same playing field as known progressives, you are guilty of this...

[Ethereal]

LMAO, its not a bunch of Garbage its called reality. That's how Paine checked out. Hardly any friends. All his previous work eradicated by his religious beliefs. Try studying history, rather than that lame philosophy you do. While looking to make all semantics of that philosophy workable.

I'm aware of Paine's religious beliefs and how they hurt his reputation. It proves nothing. It's just a childish attempt to distract from his argument by attacking his character. It's also disgraceful to claim his indispensable contributions to the American revolution were eradicated by his religious beliefs. Without Paine's contributions, there might have been no American revolution and no US government for you to lick its boots.

You forgot when I attacked Repubs under BO the Peeps Administration. Oh and there was a couple things I agreed with the Peep on. So your backward lame excuse just didn't pan out here. But I did know you would try and come with another failing of your umm self professed intelligence.

According to your own logic, your attacks on the US government during that time were anti-American. It makes no difference if you attacked Republicans or if you agreed with Obama on a couple of things.

No at best you have a sliver of a clue. That's why you argue off of semantics, and half the time over philosophic points applied with political science. Along with your concept that all the US government does is bad.

I never said all the US government does is bad. But even if I did, it still wouldn't be anti-American.

We can start with the fact that American Indians didn't call the Land America. It was named America by the Europeans. Specifically by Amerigo Vespucci.

Yea, centuries before the US government existed. So how can the US government be America if America existed before the US government?

Answer: It cannot.

To even suggest there is no distinction between a country and its government is basically communist. It's amazing that you would try to argue such an anti-American position while ironically and hypocritically accusing me of being anti-American. The delusion of your position is so layered as to be dizzying.

Again a semantic about the US government being part of the Country. While it is true.....the people choose who they want for government of their country. Which means that government is a representation of the Country. Acting as the Country.

That is certainly the THEORY of how the US government is supposed to work, but only school children and naive old men actually believe that anymore. In REALITY, US elections are stacked against the little guy, to the point of being rigged. Just look what happened to Bernie, for example. His own party machinery conspired against him to deny him the nomination. And that is why approximately 90 million Americans abstained from voting, because they rightly perceive the political system as a fraud. Trump, who won the election, only managed to get around 60 million votes. So in fact there are far more Americans who think as I do. We're the real silent majority. And it's only a matter of time before we shove you dinosaurs aside.

Yeah yeah you can dislike a part of movie while still liking the movie. But that's not what you do on political sites. As you don't just criticize part of what the government does. You criticize and dump on all it does. Everything it does. Which means then you are dumping on the Country.

I dump on the government because I love the country. The government is harming the country with its lies and corruption. You spend all your time and energy trying to defend those lies and corrupt practices, which actually makes you the one who is anti-American.

Wrong you get called out.....by even young Republicans.....middle age Republicans. So there goes your lame ass theory about Mean Old Repubs always picking on you. (invoking your Victim Status) Oh and they aren't being dishonest or ignorant. Not for telling the truth and like it is.

Nope, it's just angry old men like you who accuse me of being anti-American. And you do it because you cannot refute my actual arguments. Attacks on my character are all you have. It's pathetic.

You call yourself a Libertarian....I have actually tried getting a known Libertarian to come here(and I do mean known for a good 45 years) just so I could watch him tear your bull$#@! anti American rhetoric down and give you that mental check you deserve.

But it wouldn't last long you would tuck tail and ignore him. Then whine about the site and all those mean Old Repubs constantly calling you out.

Bring him on. But he's not a libertarian, obviously, if he believes there is no distinction between the government and the country. Only anti-American commies believe that.

[Ethereal]

Criticisms are also given emotionally. There is a difference in giving critiques some of the time as opposed to doing it always and for everything.

All into politics deeply are stubborn.....left, Right, and independents. Even those who think they are true Neutral. Even Gender wise. Male and Female.

According to your own asinine logic, your attacks on the Obama presidency were anti-American.

[Ethereal]

The last I checked, it is American citizens who elect our government officials. (The latter do not just seize power, arbitrarily.)

Actually, they're US citizens. And between 2008 and 2010, those citizens voted for Democrats to control the Congress and the Presidency. And during that time, you and your fellow Republicans absolutely savaged the US government. So, according to your own asinine logic, you are anti-American.

So any distinction between "America" and "the US government" is really a distinction without a difference...

Not according to the people who founded this country. But as I've already pointed out, you're not really a conservative. In reality, you're a progressive in the mold of Roosevelt and Wilson, which is only a few degrees away from being an international socialist.

[Ethereal]

As noted previously: The relationship between Mexico and the US is not even remotely similar to the relationship between North Korea and South Korea.

So I would consider that possibility to be so remote as to be not even theoretical.

In other words, you won't answer the question because you know it will expose your blatant double-standard.

Only liberals and libertarians think that way: Why, we should not "infect" other countries with American ideals...

What a bizarre statement. I said nothing about "American ideals" or "infecting" other countries with them. I was talking purely about dollars and cents. Your beloved empire is costing this country outrageous amount of money, money that could be put to much better uses. You would rather build infrastructure in foreign countries than right here in America. Yet you accuse me of being anti-American? What chutzpah.

Well, the only alternative to isolationism is interventionism

Would you consider yourself, then, to be an interventionist?

I believe in armed neutrality and free trade, much like the founders. I've made that clear numerous times. You, on the other hand, believe in largely the opposite, subscribing to the progressive foreign policy of figures like Roosevelt and Wilson.

There is a logical fallacy known as Guilt by Association.

​By putting me on the same playing field as known progressives, you are guilty of this...

You beliefs on foreign policy are virtually indistinguishable from theirs.

[Ethereal]

By the way, the guy you voted for seems to agree with me. He departed from decades of hard-line refusal to negotiate and now he's characterized US military exercises in the region as provocative. Seems like Trump has been listening to libertarians after all. And if he continues to listen, and to ignore the old, angry Republicans who think the only solution to every problem is war and threats of war, he will finally achieve a historic peace.

[MMC]

According to your own asinine logic, your attacks on the Obama presidency were anti-American.

Not really and not even close.....considering a lot of what BO the peep did went against Congress and the Constitution. Which meant half of the country and or more. Oopsie, there goes another one of your Lame excuses.