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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    You are entitled to your opinion, but I don't use terms like imperialist racists. My hope is for a global society that values its people and sees the success of humanity as more important the success of individuals.
    In Utopia, that could happen. Unfortunately, there will always be a pig who feels "all pigs are equal, but some are more equal than others."
    “Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured…but not everyone must prove they are a citizen. And now, any of those who refuse, or are unable, to prove they are citizens will receive free insurance paid for by those who are forced to buy insurance because they are citizens.”



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Strangelove View Post
    Its a new kind of fascism. Mussolini said it was the merging of corporations and government.
    Il Douche was an avid Nationalist, so you must like him!
    You are clueless.

    Under fascism corporations bent to the state or were crushed.

    Take your crap elsewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    No, they're not blending and you would be horrified if they did. Again, genuine diversity isn't an Iranian festival in Toronto where you get to play Iranian for an afternoon. Diversity is being snuffed out and you prefer it that way.
    All cultures have evolved. There has never been a point in history where cultures have not added aspects from interactions from foreigners one way or another. What has changed is the ease at which cultures meet. You no longer have to spend several months in a caravan to bring new ideas, foods, spices, recipes or products to another nation. It now happens in an instant. There is a growth in fusion foods and fusion music. It is moving exponentially as are ideas, politics, and information.

    Also, FYI, I don't feel compelled to attend festivals or play at any culture. I have friends from many cultures and I enjoy that diversity, but I don't play dress up or intrude on other people's festivals. I also don't embrace all aspects of other cultures. I find other cultures interesting and I do like to understand them as well as the food and music, but I don't condone anything that involves subjugation or violence. You misconstrue my tolerance and interest in difference with some kind of elitist patronage. I don't fear different cultures or people who don't look like me. I find commonality in humanity and enjoy our inventive differences born of our locations on the planet. However we are affecting one and other at an exponential rate. Is that a bad thing? Not really. We are developing more interesting foods and more interesting music and art through our contact with one and other. Cultures that are static become stale.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Too few and in only the major cities. That is why the uprising in Iran failed.
    As I said. It's just a matter of time. The internet continues to penetrate further into backwater communities and kids find ideas that they prefer to the thousand-year-old mantras from the past. They no longer think that the old way is the only way. It will take time, but eventually religion will lose its hold over people because whether the powers that be like it or not, people will educate themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KathyS View Post
    In Utopia, that could happen. Unfortunately, there will always be a pig who feels "all pigs are equal, but some are more equal than others."
    Perhaps the idea of true democracy is that those pigs lose their voice in favor of the whole. We are going through a seriously selfish phase, but it will be followed by a particularly bad phase where people will be disabused of their senses of entitlement. There are tough times ahead that will change the way people think and what they will tolerate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    As I said. It's just a matter of time. The internet continues to penetrate further into backwater communities and kids find ideas that they prefer to the thousand-year-old mantras from the past. They no longer think that the old way is the only way. It will take time, but eventually religion will lose its hold over people because whether the powers that be like it or not, people will educate themselves.
    I agree for different reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    I agree for different reasons.
    What reasons do you think will provoke change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    What reasons do you think will provoke change?

    Contact with an alien culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    Perhaps the idea of true democracy is that those pigs lose their voice in favor of the whole. We are going through a seriously selfish phase, but it will be followed by a particularly bad phase where people will be disabused of their senses of entitlement. There are tough times ahead that will change the way people think and what they will tolerate.

    To clarify, the pigs in general or those in charge? IMO, there will never be a Utopian society, no matter how much we long for such a thing to happen. Human nature and all that.
    “Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured…but not everyone must prove they are a citizen. And now, any of those who refuse, or are unable, to prove they are citizens will receive free insurance paid for by those who are forced to buy insurance because they are citizens.”



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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Contact with an alien culture.
    I think that is part of what I was saying, although I didn't say it directly in my last post. We are all being influenced by one another these days. Humanity has become like a concentrated single community in some ways. If you live in an authoritarian community and see that others enjoy freedom, how long will you support authoritarianism?
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