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    I always say, if the Shoes Fits, strut it proudly

    So what you guys are saying, is that this individual don't speak for all Whyte People ...

    Hummmm ... I wonder if she also has any Chicago expertise, being that she's in Portland.

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    There was like zero chance of this thread turning into anything remotely productive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    There was like zero chance of this thread turning into anything remotely productive.
    Right. He's just babbling now because he doesn't know how to contribute to a serious discussion. Same old routine...
    Whoever criticizes capitalism, while approving immigration, whose working class is its first victim, had better shut up. Whoever criticizes immigration, while remaining silent about capitalism, should do the same.


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    The definition of "racism" proposed in the OP is far from new. I think I heard it first more than thirty years ago, in a televised panel discussion on the subject.

    Cigar, would you be willing to try to explain to me why you think that this definition is more fair and accurate than a definition which would permit individuals other than White people to be guilty of racism?
    Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    There was like zero chance of this thread turning into anything remotely productive.
    That's why you and your House Boys constantly Troll anything I post ... and it's not only allowed ... it's ignored.

    But that's ok ... it won't stop me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Obvious View Post
    There was like zero chance of this thread turning into anything remotely productive.
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    Right. He's just babbling now because he doesn't know how to contribute to a serious discussion. Same old routine...
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    That's why you and your House Boys constantly Troll anything I post ... and it's not only allowed ... it's ignored.

    But that's ok ... it won't stop me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    Race and Racism





    Illumination Project Curriculum Materials
    By Dr. Rowan Wolf, Sociology Instructor and Caroline Le Guin,Writing Instructor Portland Community College Oregon
    INTRODUCTION
    There aren’t too many Americans who want to claim to be racist, and most people would like to believe they are “colorblind” when it comes to matters of race. But race and racism are integral and inescapable parts of our culture and social history. Race consciousness is key to how we learn to perceive ourselves and the people around us (even if we don’t always want to admit it); just think of how we describe people—“an elderly asian woman, about five foot three; a tall black man in his thirties, wearing a leather jacket”. In these “identifying descriptions”, race, along with gender, is essential,especially if it is other than white.
    Given the importance of race to our society, it’s remarkable how difficult it is to talk about and how complex the definitions of race and racism can be. In fact, the issues surrounding the definitions of race and racism are themselves a product of racism’s long and conflicted history in our society. Any discussion of race and racism probably should begin with definitions of the concepts involved, especially since there tends to be confusion and overlap between a lot of the terms.
    DEFINITION OF CONCEPTS
    Race:
    Race is a socially constructed artifact that categorizes people based on visual differences which are imputed to indicate invisible differences. These categorizations are amorphous and fluid over time which reflects their social rather than physical basis. Its significance arises out of the meanings we as societies assign to it, and the way we structure race in our societies. This structuring shapes what we refer to as "institutional racism" (defined below).

    Racism:
    Racism can be defined simply as any policy, belief, attitude, action or inaction, which subordinates individuals or groups based on their race.What this definition leaves out, however, is the specific historical formation of racism as an institution and an ideology over the last several hundred years. Taking into consideration the social and historical perspective, Paula Rothenberg offers this more pointed—and useful--definition of racism.
    "Racism involves the subordination of people of color by white people. While individual persons of color may well discriminate against a white person or another person of color because of their race, this does not qualify as racism according to our definition because that person of color cannot depend upon all the institutions of society to enforce or extend his or her personal dislike. Nor can he or she call upon the force of history to reflect and enforce that prejudice. . . . History provides us with a long record of white people holding and using power and privilege over people of color to subordinate them,not the reverse."(Paula Rothenberg. Defining Racism and Sexism)


    https://www.pcc.edu/resources/illumination/documents/race-and-racism-curriculum.pdf


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    Long read yet not nine pages. Most of that is references. Good read. I heard and we all need to listen. This is not a black problem, it is our problem. We are the ones that need to change.
    This is racist. "Racism involves the subordination of people of color by white people. While individual persons of color may well discriminate against a white person or another person of color because of their race"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cigar View Post
    First ... what this is telling you is that Black People have opinions and First Hand Experiences, can we at least acknowledge that fact?

    Second ... "I" ... "Personally" have never been "White" one second of my life, therefore I can't tell you how White People feel. Can I assume you haven't been Black either?

    Third ... it isn't what people "say", it's what they "do" that defines them.
    I was responding to Safety... who appears to know more about how I feel than I do. But, I'll try to stipulate to your conditions. Some of us whites may have been black a few times in our lives. There are some experiences that black people think are unique to them and their situations, but they really aren't. I might be black.

    Insofar as slavery, you are no more impacted by that than I am - having had ancestors that were slaves and that includes a 400 year period. We need to live in the here and now.

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    Paula Rothenberg offers this more pointed—and useful--definition of racism.
    "Racism involves the subordination of people of color by white people. While individual persons of color may well discriminate against a white person or another person of color because of their race, this does not qualify as racism according to our definition because that person of color cannot depend upon all the institutions of society to enforce or extend his or her personal dislike. Nor can he or she call upon the force of history to reflect and enforce that prejudice. . . . History provides us with a long record of white people holding and using power and privilege over people of color to subordinate them,not the reverse."(Paula Rothenberg. Defining Racism and Sexism)
    That seems to be the object of contention.

    My impression of what Rothenberg is trying to say is racism is where those of one race subordinate another race with institutional backing. He seems to be saying racism requires institutional subordination. He mentions white subordinating black not because that's the only possibility but because that's likely all he can think of. Things like a white only section becomes racist when the police come in and beat and arrest blacks who don't comply. Or maybe when whites beat blacks for not complying while the police do nothing.

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    If the four Chicago residents who kidnapped, beat and tortured a disabled White man, screaming racial epithets the whole time, are not racists, then - who is?
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