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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Etheral is going to run that horse into the ground. He doesn't get into details much for obvious reasons. He can try chewing on these as an example.

    Since WWII we have been a superpower. We have used that power to :

    1. Save Europe from economic collapse wit the Marshal Plan.

    2. We saved Europe from turning to the Communists with that Plan.

    3. We more or less forced the Brits, the French and other colonist to turn those countries free.

    4. We stood for the free world against the USSR.

    5. We became the world's bank.

    6. We disarmed Japan and kept them that way.

    7. We have made it possible for the Isaeli's to keep their freedom.

    8. We weaned Egypt and Jordan away from the Soviet and now, Russian government.

    9. We have kept the Straits of Hormuz open.

    10. We were instrumental in ending apartheid in South Africa.


    11. We brought China out of the past.


    America isn't perfect but it is better than anyone else.
    A great post. Allow me to add Korea. I always considered a satellite photo said all that needed to say when looking at darkness versus light. Right versus wrong. US foreign influence....and no US foreign influence.


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    It doesn't matter to Etheral. We can only do bad. Even at that, he can't connect the dots. I don't even understand what it is he wants us to do.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our nation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    In what way does US foreign policy benefit Americans as a whole? The only example I can think of is our naval power being used to protect our maritime rights in international waters, but that is a tradition dating back to the presidencies of Adams and Jefferson. In terms of modern foreign policy, I can see no obvious benefits. I see a great deal of costs, both in terms of lost liberty, high taxes, and mountains of debt, but what have Americans gotten in return for their massive investment? Nothing as far as I can tell. Instead, US foreign policy seems to serve the interests of elites at the expense of ordinary Americans. What else can explain the wars in Vietnam or Iraq, for example? Both were nothing short of disasters for the American people, but for the elites, those wars were a veritable orgy of profits and power.

    The limp-wristed, America-hating, peacenik, Dwight D. Eisenhower, warned Americans against the undue influence of what he called "the military-industrial complex" in his last address to the country. And before him, Marine General and two-time medal of honor winner, Smedley Butler, told Americans that "war is a racket". And even before that, James Madison said the means of defense against foreign danger have been always the instruments of tyranny at home. And yet some Americans seem oblivious to the dangers posed by this military-industrial complex. Indeed, some do not even acknowledge its existence. Instead, they are content to continue spending outrageous amounts of money on a foreign policy regime that produces no discernible return on the investment.
    Our foreign policy benefits the super rich, their megacorps and the politicians they own. Imperialism at one time might improve the overall standard of living for a whole society. Now days we just pay for our gas twice while the big wigs make deposits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    Etheral is going to run that horse into the ground. He doesn't get into details much for obvious reasons. He can try chewing on these as an example.

    Since WWII we have been a superpower. We have used that power to :

    1. Save Europe from economic collapse wit the Marshal Plan.

    2. We saved Europe from turning to the Communists with that Plan.

    3. We more or less forced the Brits, the French and other colonist to turn those countries free.

    4. We stood for the free world against the USSR.

    5. We became the world's bank.

    6. We disarmed Japan and kept them that way.

    7. We have made it possible for the Isaeli's to keep their freedom.

    8. We weaned Egypt and Jordan away from the Soviet and now, Russian government.

    9. We have kept the Straits of Hormuz open.

    10. We were instrumental in ending apartheid in South Africa.


    11. We brought China out of the past.


    America isn't perfect but it is better than anyone else.


    LOL . More propaganda on your breakfast cereal? Did we part the Red sea somewhere in there? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ransom View Post
    So?

    I believe the question was, how does our foreign policy benefit the American Citizen. You were gonna attempt an answer, yes?
    Short answer - it doesn't and hasn't. It really benefits special interests which you would have realized if you read the link. US foreign policy has cost the nation a fortune in military expenditures that have not benefited one single citizen, but instead fueled terrorism in the ME and painted a target on the US as a focus for retribution. It has added trillions to the national debt and put America's military personnel in harm's way all to benefit the military-industrial complex and multinational oil companies as well as more than a few politicians who stood to personally financially benefit from this massive subterfuge, sold to the people under the guise of protecting their "liberty". "Liberty" has long been a trigger word for patriots to suspend scrutiny and unquestioningly buy into military adventurism and derogate anyone who dares to question the government's motives or pick at the fairly transparent web of half-truths and lies used as justification.
    In quoting my post, you affirm and agree that you have not been goaded, provoked, emotionally manipulated or otherwise coerced into responding.



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    The same guy that helped us build intercontinental nuclear warhead tipped ballistic missiles also help build rockets that got us to the moon.

    We have had no further chance of another world war for the past 73 years.

    Many millions of Americans have derived a good living in the Arms Industry.

    Many tyrants that would have done evil have been thrown back and or eliminated.

    The Russians and Chinese are contained.

    I could go on and on but won't because it is boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Our foreign policy benefits the super rich, their megacorps and the politicians they own. Imperialism at one time might improve the overall standard of living for a whole society. Now days we just pay for our gas twice while the big wigs make deposits.
    We pay for our gas twice. What are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    LOL . More propaganda on your breakfast cereal? Did we part the Red sea somewhere in there? LOL
    Tell me one thing I wrote that was wrong?

    Etheral has a bigger following than I thought. I count two more in this thread. I hope it's not the Herd Syndrome.
    Last edited by Captdon; 08-13-2018 at 06:19 PM.
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