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    Charlottesville: A Clash of Left vs. Left?

    I've been arguing this all along.

    It reminds me of the clash between two factions of socialism in Germany for power in the run up to WWII, the communists and the national socialists.

    Charlottesville: A Clash of Left vs. Left?

    On August 12, 2017, a free speech rally arrived in Charlottesville to stop the removal of the statue commemorating Confederate General Robert E. Lee. Then a group of Neo-Nazis, white knights, alt-right trolls, white nationalists, and other white supremacists showed up. They wanted to protect the statue, albeit for different reasons. Then to counter-protest the white (not “Right”) supremacists, the violent left-wing Antifa hordes with their Black Bloc goons crashed the protest, and all hell broke loose.

    ...The (left-wing) mainstream media hyped up this violent clash as a battle between white supremacists on the Right against the anti-fascist Left. Wrong. Both sides are different variants of the political Left. It’s common knowledge that Antifa is as fascist as it gets, using violence and repression to advance their anti-nation, anti-liberty, anti-American agenda. It’s not as well-known that alt-right protesters are actually left-wing agitators, too.

    One of the rally’s keynote speakers, Richard Spencer, the godfather of the “Alt-Right”, despises the founding principles of our country, including limited government, individual liberty, and the divine origin of natural rights. Dinesh D’Souza’s documentary “Death of a Nation” brilliantly presented in one interview with Spencer what the founder of the Alt-Right movement has expounded on for years. He is a left-wing statist invested in the ultimate authority of the state, socialized medicine, and the nationalization of public lands. He is a national socialist, but a socialist nonetheless. Jason Kessler organized this “Unite the Right” rally, but he’s actually another left-winger. He voted for Barack Obama.He participated heavily in the Occupy Wall Street Movementand once touted himself as a liberal organizer. The reports of Kessler's left-wing leanings came out within days of the Charlottesville clash last year, but few actually read about it.

    This fight between national and international socialists has emerged before. The Spanish Civil War, from 1936 to 1939, served as a dress rehearsal for the Second World War. The Falangists (national socialists) headed by Francisco Franco rebelled against the Spanish Republic, which compromised socialists and communists. (Think “People’s Republic of China”, and you get the idea). Hitler and Mussolini supported the Falangists. The Soviet Union backed the Spanish Republicans. Both sides were composed of socialists, invested in ideas inimical to America’s founding ideals. There were no good guys, but rather a bloody war of national vs. international statism in Spain, nothing more, a clash of ideologies similar to what happened in Charlottesville....
    Tradition is not the worship of ashes, but the preservation of fire. ― Gustav Mahler

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    Hicks, Explaining Postmodernism, details the fact the Nazis were socialists:

    In the nineteenth century the question of the true meaning
    of socialism was a live issue among collectivists of all stripes.
    Kant, Herder, Fichte, and Hegel were dominant mainstream
    voices. Yet clearly none was a conservative. Conservatives of
    the nineteenth century favored returning to or re-invigorating
    feudal institutions. Our four figures, by contrast, all favored
    significant reforms and a jettisoning of traditional feudalism.
    Yet none was an Enlightenment liberal. Enlightenment liberals
    were individualistic, the center of their political and economic
    gravity tending toward limited governments and free
    markets. Our four figures, by contrast, voiced themes of strong
    collectivism in ethics and politics with calls for individuals to
    sacrifice for society, whether society was defined as the species,
    the ethnic group, or the state. We find in the case of Kant a call
    for individuals to be willing to do their duty to sacrifice for the
    species; we find in the case of Herder a call for individuals to
    find their identity in their ethnicity; we find in the case of Fichte
    a call for education to be process of total socialization; and we
    find in the case of Hegel a call for total government to which
    the individual will surrender everything. For a school of thinkers
    who advocated total socialization, “socialism” seemed an
    appropriate label. Accordingly, many thinkers on the collectivist
    Right thought of themselves as true socialists.

    Yet “socialism” was also being used as the label for Left
    collectivists, so there was a lively debate between the Left and
    many on the Right over who had the most right to call themselves
    “socialist.”

    The debate was not merely semantics. Both Right and
    Left were anti-individualist; both advocated government
    management of the most important aspects of society; both
    divided human society into groups which they took to be fundamental
    to individuals’ identities; both pitted those groups
    against each other in inescapable conflict; both favored war
    and violent revolution to bring about the ideal society. And
    both sides hated the liberals.
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    A gathering for rioters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Hicks, Explaining Postmodernism, details the fact the Nazis were socialists:
    The NAZI party thought in more of the manner as the state is the leader of one big family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Soxes View Post
    The NAZI party thought in more of the manner as the state is the leader of one big family.
    And communism just an extended family.

    National vs international.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    And communism just an extended family.

    National vs international.
    The difference is the NAZIS had referendums the whole family were encouraged to vote on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Soxes View Post
    The difference is the NAZIS had referendums the whole family were encouraged to vote on.
    Communism would do away with family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Communism would do away with family.
    It was hijacked by some group that was not even in the family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Soxes View Post
    The difference is the NAZIS had referendums the whole family were encouraged to vote on.
    The Nazi's had what?
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our nation
    Pick your enemies carefully.






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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    The Nazi's had what?
    They voted as a whole on which way they wished to take the nation.

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