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    I truly do not understand this

    The markets all tanked today. And I am told that the reason was the steadily worsening relationship between the US and Turkey.

    But I have to wonder: So what?

    Suppose that the US never again did any trading with Turkey--any whatsoever--just how, exactly, would this impact world markets?

    I truly doubt that much of the world's daily trade is between these two countries.

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    Disregard day to day market activity.
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    The markets all tanked today. And I am told that the reason was the steadily worsening relationship between the US and Turkey.

    But I have to wonder: So what?

    Suppose that the US never again did any trading with Turkey--any whatsoever--just how, exactly, would this impact world markets?

    I truly doubt that much of the world's daily trade is between these two countries.
    try this for a short read:
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    Skip the conspiratorial nonsense from personalliberty, they always find someone to blame, a rather empty finger pointing at their favorite devils. The reason Turkey matters is because other nations matter too and just like the 08 crash with it worldwide consequences, when one nation or bank or financial institution goes down the weakness of others often show up too. One crash may call out another and show their weakness. Hopefully this corrects quickly. Read Galbraith sometime.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    The markets all tanked today. And I am told that the reason was the steadily worsening relationship between the US and Turkey.

    But I have to wonder: So what?

    Suppose that the US never again did any trading with Turkey--any whatsoever--just how, exactly, would this impact world markets?

    I truly doubt that much of the world's daily trade is between these two countries.
    So what, indeed. They could just as well have said, "a flock of pigeons pooped on the window ledge."

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    Turkey is a member of NATO and host to Incirlik Air Base, one of the US's most strategically important installations. The Turks have talked about kicking the US out of Incirlik which would result, not only in a crisis within NATO, but would deny the US an important strategic asset in Eurasia. The Turks also have a great deal of leverage over the EU, since they can unleash a torrent of refugees any time they want. And just look at where Turkey is located geographically - it is the land bridge between Europe and Asia. Simply put, Turkey occupies a very important strategic position within Eurasia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Turkey is a member of NATO and host to Incirlik Air Base, one of the US's most strategically important installations. The Turks have talked about kicking the US out of Incirlik which would result, not only in a crisis within NATO, but would deny the US an important strategic asset in Eurasia. The Turks also have a great deal of leverage over the EU, since they can unleash a torrent of refugees any time they want. And just look at where Turkey is located geographically - it is the land bridge between Europe and Asia. Simply put, Turkey occupies a very important strategic position within Eurasia.
    That is a good analysis.

    Still, I am of the opinion that Turkey is, at best, a "frienemy" (to use a word coined by Millennials): It is, indeed, a part of NATO--although I am not exactly certain just why--but it is increasingly becoming an authoritarian state; so I truly have no use for it. (If it were to become a part of Russia's orbit, I would simply shrug my shoulders, in total indifference.)

    As for (next-door) Syria, I very much support the view that the Kurds--our traditional ally--should have a homeland, carved out of Iraq and Turkey. And I would seriously hope that our government would strongly take their side, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjohns View Post
    That is a good analysis.

    Still, I am of the opinion that Turkey is, at best, a "frienemy" (to use a word coined by Millennials): It is, indeed, a part of NATO--although I am not exactly certain just why--but it is increasingly becoming an authoritarian state; so I truly have no use for it. (If it were to become a part of Russia's orbit, I would simply shrug my shoulders, in total indifference.)

    As for (next-door) Syria, I very much support the view that the Kurds--our traditional ally--should have a homeland, carved out of Iraq and Turkey. And I would seriously hope that our government would strongly take their side, too.
    We allowed Turkey in to provide lots of cannon fodder if a major war broke out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    We allowed Turkey in to provide lots of cannon fodder if a major war broke out.
    Think intelligence gathering...
    Call your state legislators and insist they approve the Article V convention of States to propose amendments.


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