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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    $21 trillion in national debt and counting; a dilapidated infrastructure; unsustainable entitlement programs; bloated pensions bankrupting state and local governments all over the country; the highest incarceration rate of any country in the world; a population under constant surveillance by the government; increasing division among the various political factions; a deep state that considers itself above elected representatives; a corporate media that does nothing but lie and propagandize; extreme inequality between the majority of the country and a plutocratic elite; college campuses being turned into Marxist indoctrination centers; $1.5 trillion in student debt; what, me worry?



    Naturally, as you are a member of one of the groups responsible for the country's degradation.



    Yes, there are still some Americans who value individual liberty and small government. I count myself among them. But unlike some I could mention, I am motivated by a commitment to the principles themselves, and not to the group that formed around those principles.
    I believe a lot of this except why does the group ruin it for you? It is only the group that can change anything. you can complain all you want but your principles don't mean much if you don't have any ability to do anything.

    I believe in government at the most local level that can do what is needed. War is a federal issue.


    Highways and bridges are state issues.

    Education and zoning are local issues.

    This won't happen as long as the power goes to the federal government. I vote for and deal with groups that come the closest to what I want. I can't effect anything on my own.
    Last edited by Captdon; 08-16-2018 at 09:21 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    I believe a lot of this except why does the group ruin it for you? It is only the group that can change anything. you can complain all you want but your principles don't mean much if you don't have any ability to do anything.

    I believe in government at the most local level that can do what is needed. War is a federal issue.


    Highways and bridges are state issues.

    Education and zoning are local issues.

    This won't happen as long as the power goes to the federal government. I vote for and deal with groups that come the closest to what I want. I can't effect anything on my own.
    As I said, there is a difference between being committed to ideals and being committed to the group that formed around the ideals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    The terms "liberal" and "conservative" generally denote a set of political principles.

    In reality, many who identify as such are completely devoid of genuine principles, and are motivated instead by base instincts like selfishness and group-think.

    If their ostensible principles stand in the way of their selfish impulses, they will discard them without hesitation. But because they need to maintain the pretense of being governed by principles instead of their own petty desires, they will attempt to conceal their lack of principle with all manner of tortuous sophistry.

    And woe to the person who points out their duplicity. They will be treated to a bevy of puerile insults and petty remarks from the fragile ego of the exposed phony.

    This kind of inane partisanship is why most Americans simply avoid politics altogether. Why waste one's time arguing with devious, two-faced partisans when you can do something far more rewarding, like watching paint dry or clipping your toenails?

    Hopefully, a third option will emerge and become viable in the coming years, because the two party status quo does not serve the country. Instead, it serves itself at everyone else's expense.

    Few seem to even know that the founders were social liberals , small federal government fiscal conservatives who wanted to shackle federal power and empower state authority as much as possible.
    Just when did people start to think that :
    1) If I an socially liberal I must be fiscally liberal at the federal level?
    2) If I am fiscally conservative at the federal level I must apply the same exact restrictions to the states?
    3) If I am fiscally conservative I must be socially conservative to the point of being tyrannical and cruel?
    4) If I am socially liberal enough I can be just as controlling as those I rail against.

    None of those are true. But yes I think some are motivated by pure greed and being mixed up enough to think cruel = tough. Others by the social praises they recieve for over the top ultra liberal ideas unbacked by science.
    For me the terms liberal and conservative are becoming obsolete , mere tools of the puppet masters . I look at someone's political views in terms of how controlling they wish to be of others and their level of empathy.
    A great many, enough to really change things, have plainly and simply allowed themselves to be pigeon holed by the "Two major gangs".

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    How were the Founders social liberals in the modern sense of the term? Would they not put into locks a bunch of gay guys running naked through the common greens of a town?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    How were the Founders social liberals in the modern sense of the term? Would they not put into locks a bunch of gay guys running naked through the common greens of a town?

    There concept of the same rights for all and individual freedoms. vs. different rights for different classes. The Constitution was brilliantly written to apply to groups they could not make equal or free at the time, as society moved forward.
    One set of rights for all. They'd of probably arrested anyone running naked as we might today.
    I see your point however I feel that part of their social liberalism was writing a document to apply to all before it did.

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