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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    I am looking at it from a research perspective and how products impact sex and gender. SABV is the new wave in research these days.
    And that is what the OP looked at. That gender hasn't been normally considered in scientific research but that, given the many gender differences between men and women, it out to be. Feminist want to muddy the water by insisting it's all social construct ("the idea that men are naturally this way (commanding, dominant) and women are naturally that way (docile, submissive)," which I didn't see in the OP) and identity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    And that is what the OP looked at. That gender hasn't been normally considered in scientific research but that, given the many gender differences between men and women, it out to be. Feminist want to muddy the water by insisting it's all social construct ("the idea that men are naturally this way (commanding, dominant) and women are naturally that way (docile, submissive)," which I didn't see in the OP) and identity.
    Hmmmmm......I've been very ill lately so perhaps my cognitive skills are lacking. hahahahaha

    I honestly didn't get that from the piece. My impression was that gender was being tied to behavior which is not what my point was related to. Am I missing something?

    Sorry if I'm not comprehending. I'm going to go back and re-read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    Hmmmmm......I've been very ill lately so perhaps my cognitive skills are lacking. hahahahaha

    I honestly didn't get that from the piece. My impression was that gender was being tied to behavior which is not what my point was related to. Am I missing something?

    Sorry if I'm not comprehending. I'm going to go back and re-read.
    I went back and re-read the article. My bad totally. I have no idea how I mucked this up.

    I'm not sure that we can scratch women as a sub population just yet. We are definitely expanding the research dollars on SABV but we still have strides to make on minority women, older women and women with disabilities. The research community was not prepared for this explosion on gender identity. We have practically no data on transgenders but I imagine that will be changing.

    I'm not sure I can speak about behavior. I'm feeling a bit dense tonight AND I'm not a scientist. :0)

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMPress Polly View Post
    This! Gender refers to not to one's biology, but to those cultural characteristics people call masculinity and femininity; the idea that men are naturally this way (commanding, dominant) and women are naturally that way (docile, submissive).
    I disagree. Gender = chromosomal status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    I went back and re-read the article. My bad totally. I have no idea how I mucked this up.

    I'm not sure that we can scratch women as a sub population just yet. We are definitely expanding the research dollars on SABV but we still have strides to make on minority women, older women and women with disabilities. The research community was not prepared for this explosion on gender identity. We have practically no data on transgenders but I imagine that will be changing.

    I'm not sure I can speak about behavior. I'm feeling a bit dense tonight AND I'm not a scientist. :0)
    Don't worry about it.

    It's good that research is starting to look at women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trish View Post
    "Sex" is a biological variable, not gender.
    Meaning what exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donttread View Post
    Meaning what exactly?
    Meaning that when researchers are developing their study plans they need to include sex as a variable just as they would age and weight. Sex and gender differences exist but most basic science research is conducted based on a male model. You boys are so darn special but we're catching up and demanding to be recognized!

    :0)

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    GDUTLEY...

    Well how we define gender is considered a social construct. We as a society in the English language call men men, and women women. In spanish, they call boys chico and girls chica. That's there social construct. We could one day adopt those words as a meaning of gender too, or we could stay to how we define gender.

    Biologically speaking, there are a couple variations of chromosomes. There are xx, xy, xxxi, xxyy....etc...What chromosomes do is provide a instruction manual on what the body is going to do and how to do it.

    So unless we have a chromosome scanner, you urself cannot be sure if another person has similar chromosomes to you because you also have to remember that as species, we reproduce. Meaning, our dna is slightly different from eachother hence why we have ppl who are immune to different diseases...eventually natural selection will take its place.

    So Gdutley, if we look at clownfish (finding Nemo fish), what happens when a female dies and all thats left is male clownfish? One male will transition to female and reproduction resumes. Could this happen with humans? If we configure our DNA to do so or if we evolve to do so, sure!! It may already be in the works naturally, maybe in a 1000 more years....however, human now have the power to transition from male to female or female to male by just blocking one chemical and adding another...amazing and simple right??? I think so. There are also studies in the UK about making a synthetic birth canal for transgender women and infertile women to give birth...I think that could be something that's good to know.

    It's a scientific breakthrough that can be useful in the future, especially if we conduct interplanetary trips that could take lightyears....

    So back to ur regular statement since I educated you on gender and chromosomes as well as a bit of biology, gender does not = chromosome makeup just because of how complicated gender has become to define however, if u identify as one gender, there is no stopping me from saying otherwise because it's a social construct that is changeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissMollyMee View Post
    GDUTLEY...

    Well how we define gender is considered a social construct. We as a society in the English language call men men, and women women. In spanish, they call boys chico and girls chica. That's there social construct. We could one day adopt those words as a meaning of gender too, or we could stay to how we define gender.

    Biologically speaking, there are a couple variations of chromosomes. There are xx, xy, xxxi, xxyy....etc...What chromosomes do is provide a instruction manual on what the body is going to do and how to do it.

    So unless we have a chromosome scanner, you urself cannot be sure if another person has similar chromosomes to you because you also have to remember that as species, we reproduce. Meaning, our dna is slightly different from eachother hence why we have ppl who are immune to different diseases...eventually natural selection will take its place.

    So Gdutley, if we look at clownfish (finding Nemo fish), what happens when a female dies and all thats left is male clownfish? One male will transition to female and reproduction resumes. Could this happen with humans? If we configure our DNA to do so or if we evolve to do so, sure!! It may already be in the works naturally, maybe in a 1000 more years....however, human now have the power to transition from male to female or female to male by just blocking one chemical and adding another...amazing and simple right??? I think so. There are also studies in the UK about making a synthetic birth canal for transgender women and infertile women to give birth...I think that could be something that's good to know.

    It's a scientific breakthrough that can be useful in the future, especially if we conduct interplanetary trips that could take lightyears....

    So back to ur regular statement since I educated you on gender and chromosomes as well as a bit of biology, gender does not = chromosome makeup just because of how complicated gender has become to define however, if u identify as one gender, there is no stopping me from saying otherwise because it's a social construct that is changeable.

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    Great video. I mean I had no idea that there was 72 genders floating around...I honestly thought there were 2... I think I heard of someone saying there were 15...I guess that could be in correlation to how there chromosomes are...hmm I will look into that however...

    Let's talk about male and female vs transgender....cuz I dont know about the other genders too new...

    Chromosomes define how q person is going to form. Doesnt necessaraly mean there mind forms towards one gender or the other automatically. We have to account for androgens and estrogen levels in a person before, during, and after puberty. Development from person to person is rather different...

    The mind makes up what the person feels as and I can personally understand the torture of thinking and feeling like one gender and looking like the other in a mirror and seeing another gender just to realize there needs to be a physical changed because there was a mistake... however some people will never understand the feeling because their minds consider with their bodies.

    That's just my take on life

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