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    Toronto has an "alternative" school that is "Africentric" (http://schoolweb.tdsb.on.ca/africentricschool/). I can't remember why or how it came up about 10 years back, but the goal was basically to give kids of color more confidence and more education on some specific things that aren't heavily covered in the regular curriculum. That said, it's open to any student that wishes to study there and not just black students. There are nearly 40 of these alternative schools under the Toronto district school board. Seems to be showing positive results, but it leaves a bad taste in the mouth to think that this was even arranged since it resembles segregation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Standing Wolf View Post
    I find the thinking of the Daily Iowan columnist in the third example fascinating.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/black-...iversity-iowa/



    "Judgment" like...this?



    So, if I understand, being negatively judged for "acting black" - bad. Being negatively judged for "acting white" - good. This also assumes that a black student who truly wants to "be themselves" is going to be wanting to act in a non-white way - whatever that is. And that if a black student is "acting white", it's because he or she is "conforming" - not because it's in any way normal for them. In other words, black students, in this columnist's opinion, need a space where they can be free to act in a way that he approves of as being (stereo)typical of the way black people should act. Got it.
    So segregation is okay if blacks want it but wrong when whites want it. Got it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    Toronto has an "alternative" school that is "Africentric" (http://schoolweb.tdsb.on.ca/africentricschool/). I can't remember why or how it came up about 10 years back, but the goal was basically to give kids of color more confidence and more education on some specific things that aren't heavily covered in the regular curriculum. That said, it's open to any student that wishes to study there and not just black students. There are nearly 40 of these alternative schools under the Toronto district school board. Seems to be showing positive results, but it leaves a bad taste in the mouth to think that this was even arranged since it resembles segregation.
    Sounds private and I have no trouble with nor see any hypocrisy with that. A private school could be all black, all male, all Catholic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Sounds private and I have no trouble with nor see any hypocrisy with that. A private school could be all black, all male, all Catholic.
    Don't think the 40 schools are private; pretty sure they fall under the district school board since they are affiliated with the TDSB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    Don't think the 40 schools are private; pretty sure they fall under the district school board since they are affiliated with the TDSB.
    Their about page read like it was private. If not then the government is sponsoring segregation even at the kindergarten level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelaide View Post
    Don't think the 40 schools are private; pretty sure they fall under the district school board since they are affiliated with the TDSB.
    How do they perform? In the US, some have argued that blacks (all students really) maintain a higher standard in segregated environments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    How do they perform? In the US, some have argued that blacks (all students really) maintain a higher standard in segregated environments.
    My impression reading the link was they do well which is why they got funded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Sounds private and I have no trouble with nor see any hypocrisy with that. A private school could be all black, all male, all Catholic.
    Try an all-white school and see how far you get. There are no all-Catholic schools. They take others in but, as you can imagine, there is little interest from non-Catholic. All-black schools are tolerated because of fear. It's illeagal in any event.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister D View Post
    How do they perform? In the US, some have argued that blacks (all students really) maintain a higher standard in segregated environments.
    Toronto has a problem where black students were more likely to fail in every way; more likely to drop out, more like to be suspended/expelled, more likely to fail literacy tests, etc. I suppose it's not just Toronto, but more emphasized in Toronto because it is more diverse. As far as I understand, these Africentric schools do show results in terms of seeing students succeed more.

    I still find it uncomfortable to think about. It might work, and those involved (students, parents) might be okay with it, but the principle makes me uncomfortable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Their about page read like it was private. If not then the government is sponsoring segregation even at the kindergarten level.
    Just read a few articles to confirm that they are funded by the school board. There are also pilot programs in regular high schools aimed at black students to provide more education on issues not covered by the regular curriculum and for support so that they can succeed. Half of male black students are behind in some way by grade 10, according to one article. Grade 10 is when we take a literacy test, which may be part of it.

    A surprising amount of people fail that test, though - for stupid reasons, too. If you don't stay within the boxes for text or you write your name in the wrong spot, or your writing is not legible enough... the points add up. Most of my class passed it the first go round and the people who failed it were literate but apparently don't read instructions properly. You have to pass this test before you can graduate and they created programs for students who failed so that they could retake it later in the year. I knew of a few people who had to take it like 3 or 4 times and it was not because they couldn't read or write. It's kind of a wonky test.

    Our mandatory testing in grades 6, 8 and 9 was similar (math and reading). You would get docked points for the stupidest crap so part of the instruction from teachers was how to properly stay within boxes for answers and stuff.

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