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    Trump Threatens Canada ‘Ruination’ on Autos Amid Nafta Talks

    U.S.-Canada trade talks look set to drag on as President Donald Trump ratchets up pressure by threatening auto tariffs he says would mean the “ruination” of the Canadian economy.

    Trump, speaking Friday in North Dakota, said he believes Canada is ripping off the U.S. and repeated that, if a deal can’t be reached, he’ll apply a 20 percent tariff on cars. “In some countries, including Canada, a tax on cars would be the ruination of the country. That’s how big it is. The ruination of the country,” he said. “Nafta has been the worst trade deal ever.”

    He made the comments as talks to revise the North American Free Trade Agreement drew to a stalemate in Washington, after U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer met his Canadian counterpart, Chrystia Freeland, for the third consecutive day.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...id-nafta-talks

    While the auto industry is important, it isn't the entire Canadian economy. However, the fact that he would even suggest that ruining the Canadian economy is a consideration speaks volumes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    U.S.-Canada trade talks look set to drag on as President Donald Trump ratchets up pressure by threatening auto tariffs he says would mean the “ruination” of the Canadian economy.

    Trump, speaking Friday in North Dakota, said he believes Canada is ripping off the U.S. and repeated that, if a deal can’t be reached, he’ll apply a 20 percent tariff on cars. “In some countries, including Canada, a tax on cars would be the ruination of the country. That’s how big it is. The ruination of the country,” he said. “Nafta has been the worst trade deal ever.”

    He made the comments as talks to revise the North American Free Trade Agreement drew to a stalemate in Washington, after U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer met his Canadian counterpart, Chrystia Freeland, for the third consecutive day.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...id-nafta-talks

    While the auto industry is important, it isn't the entire Canadian economy. However, the fact that he would even suggest that ruining the Canadian economy is a consideration speaks volumes.
    He said nothing of the sort. Read you own post. He said that would happen. He didn't say he wanted it to happen. Canada can do whatever they think is best for them and we can do what is best for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    He said nothing of the sort. Read you own post. He said that would happen. He didn't say he wanted it to happen. Canada can do whatever they think is best for them and we can do what is best for us.

    You used to be halfway honest but you're all liberal, anti-Trump all the time.
    You can infer what you want - Trump is saying that either Canada capitulates on dairy or else. If Canada capitulates on dairy, it would be choosing the auto sector over the dairy sector. The auto sector is primarily in English Canada and 49% of Canadian dairy is in the Province of Quebec and a significant part of its economy. US dairy operates on an economy of scale that Canadian dairy cannot compete with, so this would pretty much destroy the Canadian dairy industry. Allowing free trade on dairy would impact Quebec's rural economy in a massive way and likely reignite the currently dormant separatist movement in Quebec that primarily draws its support from the rural parts of the Province. Every politician in Quebec, separatist or otherwise endorses the current supply side management that is in place. This is not just a line item on a list of trade goods. It involves the internal politics of a sovereign nation.

    Do you think it's reasonable to ask Canada to not only willingly put its own dairy industry out of business, but also trigger renewed calls for Quebec Sovereignty just because US dairy overproduces milk and wants a place to dump it?

    Dairy has been off the table since NAFTA was first negotiated by the Reagan government and left alone by every government since then until Trump came along. It has never been negotiable for the reasons stated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    You can infer what you want - Trump is saying that either Canada capitulates on dairy or else. If Canada capitulates on dairy, it would be choosing the auto sector over the dairy sector. The auto sector is primarily in English Canada and 49% of Canadian dairy is in the Province of Quebec and a significant part of its economy. US dairy operates on an economy of scale that Canadian dairy cannot compete with, so this would pretty much destroy the Canadian dairy industry. Allowing free trade on dairy would impact Quebec's rural economy in a massive way and likely reignite the currently dormant separatist movement in Quebec that primarily draws its support from the rural parts of the Province. Every politician in Quebec, separatist or otherwise endorses the current supply side management that is in place. This is not just a line item on a list of trade goods. It involves the internal politics of a sovereign nation.

    Do you think it's reasonable to ask Canada to not only willingly put its own dairy industry out of business, but also trigger renewed calls for Quebec Sovereignty just because US dairy overproduces milk and wants a place to dump it?

    Dairy has been off the table since NAFTA was first negotiated by the Reagan government and left alone by every government since then until Trump came along. It has never been negotiable for the reasons stated.
    Canada can capitulate or not have favorable trade with the US. It certainly is not something that concerns the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Canada can capitulate or not have favorable trade with the US. It certainly is not something that concerns the US.
    I would be very surprised if Canada capitulates on dairy, so I expect that if NAFTA is riding on this alone, the deal is dead. Canada will pay a price for that, but so will the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    You can infer what you want - Trump is saying that either Canada capitulates on dairy or else. If Canada capitulates on dairy, it would be choosing the auto sector over the dairy sector. The auto sector is primarily in English Canada and 49% of Canadian dairy is in the Province of Quebec and a significant part of its economy. US dairy operates on an economy of scale that Canadian dairy cannot compete with, so this would pretty much destroy the Canadian dairy industry. Allowing free trade on dairy would impact Quebec's rural economy in a massive way and likely reignite the currently dormant separatist movement in Quebec that primarily draws its support from the rural parts of the Province. Every politician in Quebec, separatist or otherwise endorses the current supply side management that is in place. This is not just a line item on a list of trade goods. It involves the internal politics of a sovereign nation.

    Do you think it's reasonable to ask Canada to not only willingly put its own dairy industry out of business, but also trigger renewed calls for Quebec Sovereignty just because US dairy overproduces milk and wants a place to dump it?

    Dairy has been off the table since NAFTA was first negotiated by the Reagan government and left alone by every government since then until Trump came along. It has never been negotiable for the reasons stated.

    If Canada capitulates on dairy, it would be choosing the auto sector over the dairy sector.
    Which would be the government picking winners and losers, and would thus be wrong.

    Instead it picks the dairy industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    Which would be the government picking winners and losers, and would thus be wrong.

    Instead it picks the dairy industry.

    Oh, wait....
    The dairy industry is very political - in fact where it comes to Quebec, everything is political. Plus this is an election year in Quebec, so it's doubly political. There would be accusations that Canada sold them out, which would start up the entire secessionist movement again. It's not about picking winners and losers in terms of trade, it's about maintaining Canada's federation and not killing the dairy industry in Canada. Supply-side management of dairy will eventually disappear, just not yet. Perhaps in five years or so - it's already changing in Ontario.

    The Canadian auto industry will survive, regardless of US tariffs. Canada entered a regional trade pact with the EU, called the Comprehensive Economic Trade Agreement (CETA). CETA removes tariffs on 98% of products traded between Canada and the EU. It's also a signatory to the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP). There will be a period of adjustment as new markets gradually replace old markets, but it's not ruination for Canada. However, the impact on the relationship between Canada and the US is far more profound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    The dairy industry is very political - in fact where it comes to Quebec, everything is political. Plus this is an election year in Quebec, so it's doubly political. There would be accusations that Canada sold them out, which would start up the entire secessionist movement again. It's not about picking winners and losers in terms of trade, it's about maintaining Canada's federation and not killing the dairy industry in Canada. Supply-side management of dairy will eventually disappear, just not yet. Perhaps in five years or so - it's already changing in Ontario.

    The Canadian auto industry will survive, regardless of US tariffs. Canada entered a regional trade pact with the EU, called the Comprehensive Economic Trade Agreement (CETA). CETA removes tariffs on 98% of products traded between Canada and the EU. It's also a signatory to the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP). There will be a period of adjustment as new markets gradually replace old markets, but it's not ruination for Canada. However, the impact on the relationship between Canada and the US is far more profound.

    The government shouldn't be in the business of picking economic winners and losers. The reason you give for the Canadian government not picking the auto indistry are the same reasons it should not pick the dairy industry. You're blind to your contradiction here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Who View Post
    You can infer what you want - Trump is saying that either Canada capitulates on dairy or else. If Canada capitulates on dairy, it would be choosing the auto sector over the dairy sector. The auto sector is primarily in English Canada and 49% of Canadian dairy is in the Province of Quebec and a significant part of its economy. US dairy operates on an economy of scale that Canadian dairy cannot compete with, so this would pretty much destroy the Canadian dairy industry. Allowing free trade on dairy would impact Quebec's rural economy in a massive way and likely reignite the currently dormant separatist movement in Quebec that primarily draws its support from the rural parts of the Province. Every politician in Quebec, separatist or otherwise endorses the current supply side management that is in place. This is not just a line item on a list of trade goods. It involves the internal politics of a sovereign nation.

    Do you think it's reasonable to ask Canada to not only willingly put its own dairy industry out of business, but also trigger renewed calls for Quebec Sovereignty just because US dairy overproduces milk and wants a place to dump it?

    Dairy has been off the table since NAFTA was first negotiated by the Reagan government and left alone by every government since then until Trump came along. It has never been negotiable for the reasons stated.

    I'm not inferring anything. You weren't either. You made a flat statement that wasn't true.

    The internal politics are not our business but our business is our internal politics. Trade is trade. Why should our dairy industry be hurt by Canadian policy? I'm an American first and last.Why should our dairy industry suffer because of Canadian internal problems.

    Canada can do as it pleases. We can too. I don't care if Canada breaks up. That's their choice. How does that effect us? It is reasonable to expect tit for tat. If they tax our product, we tax theirs.

    You act as if we owed Canada something.
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