Read A Pile Of Top Nazis Talking About How They Love Leftist Marxism

[kilgram]

Most conservatives are individualist who support a smaller government footprint on our economic engines. All Nazi's are collectivist who believe it is the group that is most important and the individual stands in the way of the group.

To claim that conservatives are split on endorsing Nazi's shows a complete lack of knowledge of either Nazism or conservatism. Those kind of statements are nothing more than the bleatings of someone talking out of his ass hole.

Yeah, like most of the conservative that I have met here that I've not been able to differenciate their ideologies from fascist ideas. Exactly that :-D And mainly, you :-D Yes, I am openly telling you that your conservatism is non differenciable to the openly fascism that I see in Europe.

And Chris, reviewing the history and saying that the always enemies, nazism and marxism have nothing in common. Denial of that is pure bias and propaganda.

Don't bother to answer. I won't read the answers in months, problably as I will forget again the existence of these $#@! forums, until I decide to give another try and get angry with the stupid threads, again :-D

[Chris]

Yeah, like most of the conservative that I have met here that I've not been able to differenciate their ideologies from fascist ideas. Exactly that :-D And mainly, you :-D Yes, I am openly telling you that your conservatism is non differenciable to the openly fascism that I see in Europe.

That is probably because you, like the others in denial above, cannot define either American conservatism or European Nazism.

[Standing Wolf]

I'll try to explain this for you in the simplest terms possible, Chris.

Generally speaking, people don't give a rat's ass about the economic policies favored or espoused by the Nazi leadership, any more than the rank and file Nazis did in the last century - and not one Nazi in a thousand cares about them today. You may not have discerned or understood this in your reading, but the Nazis were racist, genocidal monsters; that's what people remember them for. That's really all people need to remember them for. Lots of societies, nations, political parties, etc., have advocated for the primacy of the State over the individual. (And despite your childish insistence that that's what "liberals" think and want, the rights and freedoms of individual Americans have flourished because of the liberal nature of our society and legal system - not the conservative.) That doesn't make them the equivalent of Nazis, or create any ideological similarities between them.

The plain truth of the matter is that Trump and many of his supporters have far more in common with the Nazis than anything having to do with the "left". A sentiment equivalent to "Deutschland uber alles" has been Trump's rallying cry from Day One. His hate-filled rants, blaming all of the nation's problems on foreign criminals and labeling his political opponents (and the media) traitors and enemies of the state, echo a certain failed landscape painter in their tone - though Hitler's vocabulary was considerably larger. All you really have to do is remove your head from where the sun doesn't shine and look at who and what today's White supremacists and Nazi wannabes support. It's Trump and his policies. That makes them part of your political family - not mine.

[Chris]

I'll try to explain this for you in the simplest terms possible, Chris.

Generally speaking, people don't give a rat's ass about the economic policies favored or espoused by the Nazi leadership, any more than the rank and file Nazis did in the last century - and not one Nazi in a thousand cares about them today. You may not have discerned or understood this in your reading, but the Nazis were racist, genocidal monsters; that's what people remember them for. That's really all people need to remember them for. Lots of societies, nations, political parties, etc., have advocated for the primacy of the State over the individual. (And despite your childish insistence that that's what "liberals" think and want, the rights and freedoms of individual Americans have flourished because of the liberal nature of our society and legal system - not the conservative.) That doesn't make them the equivalent of Nazis, or create any ideological similarities between them.

The plain truth of the matter is that Trump and many of his supporters have far more in common with the Nazis than anything having to do with the "left". A sentiment equivalent to "Deutschland uber alles" has been Trump's rallying cry from Day One. His hate-filled rants, blaming all of the nation's problems on foreign criminals and labeling his political opponents (and the media) traitors and enemies of the state, echo a certain failed landscape painter in their tone - though Hitler's vocabulary was considerably larger. All you really have to do is remove your head from where the sun doesn't shine and look at who and what today's White supremacists and Nazi wannabes support. It's Trump and his policies. That makes them part of your political family - not mine.

Criminy, Wolf, I have all along agreed that the Nazis were racist. Your lecturing is a waste. And I will ignore your many petty ad homs--though if you can't argue without them, you really have no argument at all.

Many think that trivial to economics and politics. Not you and most liberals of course, because you would prefer to erase history and undermine tradition and toss out science as social constructs..

Now I agree, America has flourished because it is liberal, but not the modern liberalism you espouse, but it's found classical liberalism. No, the liberalism you espouse is the liberalism that has run through Democrats, Progressives and liberals today, a liberals that has been historically racist. You can't fake and foist that off on conservatism, a movement that began only in the 1950s.

Neonazis are leftist. They want the same things the left wants. They want to government to provide for them from cradle to grave. Take a leader like Richard Spencer, please: He attacks the right and proclaims he and his followers are socialists.

Then we get to the real reason for your rant, you hate Trump. Listen, for all I care, hate him in your TDS. I don't like him. But he's not conservative. He's not on the right.



I would like for everyone to take close note of the OP filled with historical facts and source quotes. Then compare that to Wolf's rant filled with opinion and not one fact from history, not one quote from sources--just his ranting TDS opinion. He criticizes knowledge of ideologies and ideological history as worthless compared to his personal opinions.

[Captdon]

Most conservatives split on whether they should openly embrace Nazis, or whether they should quietly embrace Nazis while pretending how it's liberals who are the real Nazis. Chris has chosen the latter route. Sadly, few conservatives hold the "we should renounce and expel all Nazis" position that all decent and moral people hold.

Nazi and white supremacist groups in the USA give their loyalty to Trump. Here and now, Nazism is a conservative movement. To deny that is an exercise is running interference for Nazis, and it's what Chris is doing. He might try to deflect now by trying to confuse everyone as to what a Nazi is, but we know. Nazis are the ones with the swastikas rallying for Trump.

Liberal claptrap.I have a first edition by Rudyard Kipling. It has a swastika on it. That's what a swastika means. Nothing.

You can't pick between Lenin or Stalin for your hero. I personally don't care as I'm not a communist. Being a Marxist doesn't fly because he was too kooky but the other two are right up up your alley.

We could have a discussion of your political hopes but you would be at a disadvantage intellectually. That's not fair. I don't pick on the helpless or the hopeless.

[Standing Wolf]

Now I agree, America has flourished because it is liberal, but not the modern liberalism you espouse, but it's found classical liberalism. No, the liberalism you espouse is the liberalism that has run through Democrats, Progressives and liberals today, a liberals that has been historically racist. You can't fake and foist that off on conservatism, a movement that began only in the 1950s.

I'll gloss over the ridiculous bit about conservatism beginning "only in the 1950s" for now, and simply challenge you to point out one position I have taken - that's me, not "liberals", not other members of the forum - or opinion that I've expressed on any issue, that you identify with this awful "racist" neo-liberalism.

[Captdon]

Well said. As I've noted elsewhere, the Nazis rallying for Trump don't care jack squat about economics or who owns what; they want to stomp minorities, desecrate places of worship and "Make America Great (and White) Again". Just so, the average Nazi of eighty years ago wasn't focused on economic theory or anything of the sort; he was intent on preserving an undiluted German culture, maintaining a majority control over other races and religions - even if that meant exterminating them - and repelling foreign interests and influences. Both groups of Nazis are far more attuned to and in synch with Trump's agenda and goals than they are with anything on the Left.

More than Stalin or Mao? You jest.

[Captdon]

Is there a particular historical fact you want to question? Or do you just want to get histrionic about it?


You cite facts, speeches, that only confirm what the OP says. The first simply says Hitler was a national socialist and the second simply says he was not a communist socialist. If you read some history you'd see Germany at the time consisted of two socialist parties, the nationalists and the communists. Both were opposed to Western liberal capitalism.

I'll catch it for this but the only real difference between them was one was pure German and the other was Russian.

[Captdon]

Yea, except Trump is not conservative but liberal. He is nationalist so naturally national socialists identify with that nationalism.

It is odd that the only commonality you find between neoNazis and Nazis is the antisemitism and racism. The history of the Democrats, Progressives, liberals is replete with the same, especially racism. The Nazis borrowed many ideas from Progressives, including the idea they could engineer a master race.

All you've done in effect is reinforce the idea the Nazis were leftists.

Liberals want us to forget Sanger and eugenics. They try to deny it but it's right there.It was her belief. Hitler was big on it and guess where he got the idea? The only difference between Margaret Sanger and Josef Mengele was the power.

[Captdon]

I'll try to explain this for you in the simplest terms possible, Chris.

Generally speaking, people don't give a rat's ass about the economic policies favored or espoused by the Nazi leadership, any more than the rank and file Nazis did in the last century - and not one Nazi in a thousand cares about them today. You may not have discerned or understood this in your reading, but the Nazis were racist, genocidal monsters; that's what people remember them for. That's really all people need to remember them for. Lots of societies, nations, political parties, etc., have advocated for the primacy of the State over the individual. (And despite your childish insistence that that's what "liberals" think and want, the rights and freedoms of individual Americans have flourished because of the liberal nature of our society and legal system - not the conservative.) That doesn't make them the equivalent of Nazis, or create any ideological similarities between them.

The plain truth of the matter is that Trump and many of his supporters have far more in common with the Nazis than anything having to do with the "left". A sentiment equivalent to "Deutschland uber alles" has been Trump's rallying cry from Day One. His hate-filled rants, blaming all of the nation's problems on foreign criminals and labeling his political opponents (and the media) traitors and enemies of the state, echo a certain failed landscape painter in their tone - though Hitler's vocabulary was considerably larger. All you really have to do is remove your head from where the sun doesn't shine and look at who and what today's White supremacists and Nazi wannabes support. It's Trump and his policies. That makes them part of your political family - not mine.

The Nazis were just communists in disguise. Hitler was Hitler, a nut job. The NAZI's , the true believers were no different from the Communists. I see more of liberals ideas taken from the "progressives" of those two than any other source.