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    The Ranger School Conspiracy

    The Ranger School Conspiracy

    This is a brutal article about the two women who graduated Ranger School.

    Enter Captain Griest and First Lieutenant Haver, who, along with several other females, were attending Ranger School down at Fort Benning, Georgia. The word quickly went out. There would be one or two Lady Rangers presented to the world, in order to give Carter the ‘proof’ he needed to authorize women to serve in the combat arms and special operations forces of the US military.

    As Griest and Haver went through the grueling course and then ‘graduated’, rumors began to seep out that they were being given special treatment in the form of dieticians, endless chances to repeat the school, multiple opportunities to pass patrols, showers every three days and pink curtained cat holes for privacy. Fueling the fire was their plump appearance at graduation. Normally, Ranger School males look like Japanese POW camp survivors on graduation day, strangely, the ladies looked well fed.


    People Magazine reporter, Susan Keating seemed to confirm the rumors in her September, 2015 in article titled, ‘Was It Fixed? Army General Told Subordinates: ‘A Woman Will Graduate Ranger School,’ Sources Say.’


    Keating’s story was quickly lambasted by former Ranger Training Brigade Commander, Colonel David Fivecoat and former Fort Benning Maneuver Center commander, General Scott Miller, who both adamantly claimed that there was no special treatment given to Griest and Haver, while demanding that Keating reveal her sources.
    Instead of maintaining the standards, Fivecoat and Miller were more interested in persecuting whistleblowers.
    I really want to believe the senior officers at the Ranger Training Brigade, but this story does not add up.
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    Back in the early 80s, Department of the Army decided it wanted a Special Forces qualified female officer. The officer in question was a Captain in the intelligence branch. She was certainly academically suitable. She was smart and determined. She started to break down physically in Phase 1. She could not handle the physicality of the course. Her body just would not take it.

    When Phase 1 Committee reported that she was having problems and was not going to make it, DA issued an "informal" directive to them saying she WOULD make it through Phase 1(Or else). They knew if she could get through that, Phases 2 and 3 would not be a problem for her.

    After being informed that they WOULD graduated her, even if she failed to meet standards, the entire Phase 1 Committee formally requested transfer out of SWC. The Commander of the Special Warfare Center stood with his men and told them to give her the grade she earned, just like anyone else and he would take the heat from DA.

    I can't fault the female officer for trying. She was a hard charger and never gave up. She just couldn't do it. She lacked the upper body strength and the endurance necessary to be a Special Forces soldier.

    Ranger School puts an even greater stress on the body over the duration of the school than the Q course does.
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    What lends credence to the story for me was an unofficial program Department of the Army was trying to push on Ranger School a few years after the SF incident. I don't know if the program had an official name, but the cadre of Ranger School were referring to it as "Ranger 2000". Some moron in Department of the Army or maybe DoD decided it would be great if Ranger School could graduate 2000 Rangers a year. The idea was basically to get every NCO in the Army Ranger qualified. Of course, in order to do that, standards would have to be lowered to the point where the tab would be meaningless.

    Fortunately, it was never implemented, even though a good amount of pressure was exerted on the committee to make it happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    Back in the early 80s, Department of the Army decided it wanted a Special Forces qualified female officer. The officer in question was a Captain in the intelligence branch. She was certainly academically suitable. She was smart and determined. She started to break down physically in Phase 1. She could not handle the physicality of the course. Her body just would not take it.

    When Phase 1 Committee reported that she was having problems and was not going to make it, DA issued an "informal" directive to them saying she WOULD make it through Phase 1(Or else). They knew if she could get through that, Phases 2 and 3 would not be a problem for her.

    After being informed that they WOULD graduated her, even if she failed to meet standards, the entire Phase 1 Committee formally requested transfer out of SWC. The Commander of the Special Warfare Center stood with his men and told them to give her the grade she earned, just like anyone else and he would take the heat from DA.

    I can't fault the female officer for trying. She was a hard charger and never gave up. She just couldn't do it. She lacked the upper body strength and the endurance necessary to be a Special Forces soldier.

    Ranger School puts an even greater stress on the body over the duration of the school than the Q course does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cletus View Post
    What lends credence to the story for me was an unofficial program Department of the Army was trying to push on Ranger School a few years after the SF incident. I don't know if the program had an official name, but the cadre of Ranger School were referring to it as "Ranger 2000". Some moron in Department of the Army or maybe DoD decided it would be great if Ranger School could graduate 2000 Rangers a year. The idea was basically to get every NCO in the Army Ranger qualified. Of course, in order to do that, standards would have to be lowered to the point where the tab would be meaningless.

    Fortunately, it was never implemented, even though a good amount of pressure was exerted on the committee to make it happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    The Ranger School Conspiracy

    This is a brutal article about the two women who graduated Ranger School.



    I really want to believe the senior officers at the Ranger Training Brigade, but this story does not add up.

    Who cares? Those women were the underdogs before they started Ranger School, I read it myself. A large and significant crowd did not want those females graduating Ranger school. A very large crowd wanted them to fail, before they had the chance to even arrive.

    So, they did it. There are thousands of military men in the US Army whom would not even think of trying out for the Ranger tab. No way, no how.

    These females stepped up to the plate and succeeded. They won in my book.

    The John Doe who got the $125,000 dollar engineering job at a fortune five hundred company, simply because he knew someone. The twenty - five year old who made it through the State Police Academy with little or no problem, because his dad or brother is a Trooper. The twenty - three year old Jane Johnson who graduated college with a bachelor's degree with only the moderate amount of stress, because her mom is on the faculty.

    Prejudice and bias everywhere. Again, those women were doomed from the beginning because a massive amount of people did not want them to succeed.

    And people in my assessment , have been watching the movie " GI Jane " too much.

    These women stepped up to the plate, when thousands did not. These women succeeded, when their peers whom were both men and women failed.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Lambda View Post
    Who cares? Those women were the underdogs before they started Ranger School, I read it myself. A large and significant crowd did not want those females graduating Ranger school. A very large crowd wanted them to fail, before they had the chance to even arrive.

    So, they did it. There are thousands of military men in the US Army whom would not even think of trying out for the Ranger tab. No way, no how.

    These females stepped up to the plate and succeeded. They won in my book.

    The John Doe who got the $125,000 dollar engineering job at a fortune five hundred company, simply because he knew someone. The twenty - five year old who made it through the State Police Academy with little or no problem, because his dad or brother is a Trooper. The twenty - three year old Jane Johnson who graduated college with a bachelor's degree with only the moderate amount of stress, because her mom is on the faculty.

    Prejudice and bias everywhere. Again, those women were doomed from the beginning because a massive amount of people did not want them to succeed.

    And people in my assessment , have been watching the movie " GI Jane " too much.

    These women stepped up to the plate, when thousands did not. These women succeeded, when their peers whom were both men and women failed.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Lambda View Post
    Who cares?
    Anyone who respects the tab and what it stands for.

    These women stepped up to the plate, when thousands did not. These women succeeded, when their peers whom were both men and women failed.
    They only "succeeded" if they met the standard. If they did not and still graduated, everyone involved failed.
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