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    Humans at fault for increased threat from Weather.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage

    Well this starts out like you thought it would Global Warming.....

    We often hear that climate change is influencing the frequency and strength of tropical storms, heat waves and wildfires, and this is certainly true, though it is too early to say what influence the warming temperatures may be having on Hurricane Florence. That answer must await a post-mortem by climate scientists. But it is also true that rapid coastal development is amplifying the impact of weather and climate events like Hurricane Hugo and those expected with Hurricane Florence over the next few days.

    But wait, then some common sense take hold........

    In fact, according to research by me and colleagues, the root cause of the country’s escalating number of weather- and climate-related disasters is not necessarily a rise in the frequency or intensity of these events but the increasing exposure and vulnerability of populations that lie in their path.


    That may seem obvious, though perhaps not for the people who have moved to places that are likely to end up disaster areas someday. That fact has either escaped their notice or seems to be of little consequence to them.


    Later they add this........ There seems to be something of a “disaster amnesia” going on with respect to our land development practices after a calamity.


    More than a decade ago, a group of leading climate experts felt compelled to issue a statement saying the debate then about whether global warming was intensifying hurricanes was a distraction from “the main hurricane problem facing the United States.” The problem, they said, was the continued “lemming-like march to the sea” in the form of unabated coastal development in vulnerable places. “These demographic trends,” they said, “are setting us up for rapidly increasing human and economic losses from hurricane disasters.”


    We know much more about how the warming climate is influencing tropical storms. And in many places along the nation’s coastlines, the lemmings are still marching toward the sea.


    So all in all I agree Man is causing weather related disasters to become worse........ Can't believe the NY Times printed this..... Maybe there is a sliver of hope.....
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    From personal experience that is a bit of BS while admitting there could be bits of truth. For many years our street would occasionally flood near drainage, now the entire street floods and this area has been developed for many many years. The other day while battening down the hatches for winter I could have kayaked. The oceans they are a rising....

    These photos are around Philadelphia.
    https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...-52309442.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    From personal experience that is a bit of BS while admitting there could be bits of truth. For many years our street would occasionally flood near drainage, now the entire street floods and this area has been developed for many many years. The other day while battening down the hatches for winter I could have kayaked. The oceans they are a rising....
    These photos are around Philadelphia.
    https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...-52309442.html
    This does not dispute any claims of climate change, it simply points out that People are moving into areas that are subject to weather disasters at an increasing rate, which will lead to more people in danger when storms hit.
    Lets look at what you added;
    https://www.montcopa.org/2922/Critical-Flood-Area-Maps
    You have a town with 5 creeks running through it and a lot of building built in existing flood plains, there is a history of flooding in this town. Your pictures and the flood plain maps prove this article, if you build in a flood plain, you will get wet......
    Thanks for providing first hand proof that the article is completely correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannons Front View Post
    But wait, then some common sense take hold........

    In fact, according to research by me and colleagues, the root cause of the country’s escalating number of weather- and climate-related disasters is not necessarily a rise in the frequency or intensity of these events but the increasing exposure and vulnerability of populations that lie in their path.
    Wut?

    So, global warming is caused by an increasing population exposed to weather?

    Later they add this........ There seems to be something of a “disaster amnesia” going on with respect to our land development practices after a calamity ...

    ... We know much more about how the warming climate is influencing tropical storms. And in many places along the nation’s coastlines, the lemmings are still marching toward the sea.
    But ... but ... it's the American dream ... no, no, no, you can't take that away from me ...

    Actually, you see this kind of "amnesia" all the time in everything. Take discussion boards. Posters will agree with some principle or another, and then in the next post on the next thread, it's like whatever it was they learned or agreed with a minute ago just goes right out the window.

    This is why we have preachers and churches. Whatever we do get, we evidently don't get for very long. LOL

    Computers are largely to blame. In this case, as long as the game of computer modeling carries qualified nutjobs into a fantasy future, it will have an avid following. Even if the model fails completely, there's always a new model.

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    I was in Mobile Alabama and my brother and I were taking humor at the roof shingles and parts of the entire roof coming off of Navy housing. My mother started screaming, the MPs came and sheltered us in the Hanger on base.

    That storm ripped through Alabama....it even killed over 100 people in Virginia. The Left today would cry it killed 12,000 in Virginia and then cite some bullshiit source.....but some 109 people literally buried in the Va mountains. That is a serious storm.
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    There is some truth to the statement;

    I have watched homes built along seaside cliffs fall into the sea in Santa Cruz.
    I have seen McMansions burnt up that were built in heavy forests in the Sierra foothills.
    I have seen whole houses swept down the flooding river in Idaho.
    I live in a heavy timbered forest that could go up in flames at any moment.

    But people want to live near water or the sea, and pay a heavy premium for it. For me, I love living in the forest!
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    I find the idea that Humans are the cause of this racist. To say Humans are the cause would imply that Black, Asians, Latino's, Muslims and others have blame along with Whites. This clearly is racist to imply any of these groups/races other than Whites have blame here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    From personal experience that is a bit of BS while admitting there could be bits of truth. For many years our street would occasionally flood near drainage, now the entire street floods and this area has been developed for many many years. The other day while battening down the hatches for winter I could have kayaked. The oceans they are a rising....

    These photos are around Philadelphia.
    https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...-52309442.html
    East coast levels have risen above the average you would never notice due to Atlantic circulation changes, not global warming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    From personal experience that is a bit of BS while admitting there could be bits of truth. For many years our street would occasionally flood near drainage, now the entire street floods and this area has been developed for many many years. The other day while battening down the hatches for winter I could have kayaked. The oceans they are a rising....

    These photos are around Philadelphia.
    https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news...-52309442.html
    Your drainage system, it is a clogged...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannons Front View Post
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...gtype=Homepage

    Well this starts out like you thought it would Global Warming.....

    We often hear that climate change is influencing the frequency and strength of tropical storms, heat waves and wildfires, and this is certainly true, though it is too early to say what influence the warming temperatures may be having on Hurricane Florence. That answer must await a post-mortem by climate scientists. But it is also true that rapid coastal development is amplifying the impact of weather and climate events like Hurricane Hugo and those expected with Hurricane Florence over the next few days.

    But wait, then some common sense take hold........

    In fact, according to research by me and colleagues, the root cause of the country’s escalating number of weather- and climate-related disasters is not necessarily a rise in the frequency or intensity of these events but the increasing exposure and vulnerability of populations that lie in their path.


    That may seem obvious, though perhaps not for the people who have moved to places that are likely to end up disaster areas someday. That fact has either escaped their notice or seems to be of little consequence to them.


    Later they add this........ There seems to be something of a “disaster amnesia” going on with respect to our land development practices after a calamity.


    More than a decade ago, a group of leading climate experts felt compelled to issue a statement saying the debate then about whether global warming was intensifying hurricanes was a distraction from “the main hurricane problem facing the United States.” The problem, they said, was the continued “lemming-like march to the sea” in the form of unabated coastal development in vulnerable places. “These demographic trends,” they said, “are setting us up for rapidly increasing human and economic losses from hurricane disasters.”


    We know much more about how the warming climate is influencing tropical storms. And in many places along the nation’s coastlines, the lemmings are still marching toward the sea.


    So all in all I agree Man is causing weather related disasters to become worse........ Can't believe the NY Times printed this..... Maybe there is a sliver of hope.....

    Yup, go from 2 or 3 to 7 billion people in a lifetime, throw in the same number of storms, more intersection of weather and people. But you seldom see anyone address the point . Good post.

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