What Saint would thou be?

[Cthulhu]

I'm already a saint.

www.lds.org

😃

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[donttread]

Who's the patron saint of boys?

Maybe Dennis the Menace?

[Lummy]

St Michael

Already taken -- a real big'n too. Surprised you didn't know that.

Did someone skip Sunny School, hmmm?

I'm already a saint.

www.lds.org



Sent from my evil cell phone.

Congratulations! You can sit this one out. Relax, have a cup of coffee.

[Lummy]

Who's the patron saint of boys?

Boys have several patron saints. Among them are Saints Charles and Nicholas. According to one source, St George is the Patron Saint of boy scouts. Saint Dominic Savio is another guardian saint of boys. At age 15, he is the youngest saint in the entire pantheon. Might be others.

If I was a Catholic boy, I would try to have as many Saints as possible.

[Lummy]

Oh my gosh.
Well this doesn't feel like a trap, but it certainly is a surprise. Liberal progressive shrink is an overload at the moment, but the bully thing is interesting. Please read my response and let me know if there are any who can escape being sent to hell.

Why, were you born a bully? Dang tough row for everyone else to hoe.

Is "bully" a personality trait? Assuming acceptance of bully as a personality trait, is it fair to ask whether all personality traits are made or born? I'm trying to get to whether you believe there is something special about bully that sets it apart from other characteristics of a human. I think it is a characteristic in the usual sense, and a peer to other characteristics.

Are you saying you think everyone is at least part bully? You don't think some people are just born rotten? Could be.

I submit for your consideration:

Humans are both born and made. Inescapable.
All humans are born. Humans have all characteristics coded at birth, with each characteristic having its own emphasis. If it were possible to rank the emphasis of each characteristic numerically, then one could describe the sum of all characteristics as 100% of the characteristics. Then we would see that each human can be characterized in the form of; 10% something, 20% something else, etc. Naturally some thought has to be given regarding any characteristic having an emphasis of either 0% or 100%. Both would be highly unlikely, but dealing with that would be necessary for completeness.
All humans are made. As with all things in Nature* (see note) the coded, or born with, characteristics determine how a natural thing reacts to its environment. Two natural things of the same type, coded as nearly identically as possible, born into or transported into different environments will have different behaviors. That is true for every natural thing from sub-atomic particles to the Universe itself.

*the note: Catholicism has a notion of humans being separate from the rest of nature, which, unfortunately requires a separate thread.

Llivestock clones usually don't have identical markings even though their genes are the same. Their behaviors and attitudes, however, are thought to be identical. But that can't be quite right, can it? It's a lot harder to measure so we can't know; we can only explain away why the obvious discrepency that appears at the get-go.

If you reread my post, all I said was that such a saint was the first thing that came to mind, mainly because I suspect there isn't one. It was just a hypothetical example. But I did discover something much more interesting, being that the present meaning of the term appears to totally contradict to its original meaning, and that defies an easy explanation unless something very fundamental has been overlooked. Have you ever seen that happen where a word is defined as something contrary to its derivation?

Anyway, a Patron Saint of Bullies with power to send a born bully to hell, in order to calm your reservations, would first have to satisfy certain requirements of his condition, and to do that he would have to submit to some institutional complex of laboratories filled with all sorts of scientists wielding batteries upon batteries of tests and procedures intended to study everything about him over an extended period of time, possibly the rest of his life, likely to never come up with a definitive answer to the nature/nurture thing as would be necessary to sentence him to eternal damnation. Good point.

[Lummy]

Oh yeah, I forgot one other point. Man is clearly defined as distinct from animals in Genesis.

[Carlsen]

What Saint would thou be?

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of course, I would like to be Saint Svante, de Svenska Johansson
han vann den näst sista rundan av VM i hopprummet igår på Göteborg
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[Cthulhu]

Already taken -- a real big'n too. Surprised you didn't know that.

Did someone skip Sunny School, hmmm?




Congratulations! You can sit this one out. Relax, have a cup of coffee.

Lol, you silly goose.

You know Mormons don't drink coffee.

But sitting this out is simply cannot happen.

Sent from my evil cell phone.

[donttread]

Boys have several patron saints. Among them are Saints Charles and Nicholas. According to one source, St George is the Patron Saint of boy scouts. Saint Dominic Savio is another guardian saint of boys. At age 15, he is the youngest saint in the entire pantheon. Might be others.

If I was a Catholic boy, I would try to have as many Saints as possible.

How about the Saint of "Don't touch me there Father" ! LOL