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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    Climate Science has been getting most of their predictions wrong- well overstated.
    The denier cult tells you that, but they tell you wrong.

    For example, way back around 1988, the warming was predicted to be about 0.20C/decade. It ended up being 0.19C/decade. Nearly perfect.

    Other predictions, spot on. Sea level rise. Stratospheric cooling. Decreased outgoing longwave in GHG bands. Increased backradiation. The tropospheric "hotspot". Polar amplification. Antarctic sea ice expansion before a decline. A lot of it very non-obvious, and all of it right. Impressive indeed.

    In contrast, your side generally lacks the guts to predict anything. The only thing you've been willing to predict in the past 40 years is imminent cooling, and that's always been totally wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    I'm sure the round earth consensus also bothers deniers. Deniers are difficult to differentiate from flat-earthers, scientologists, antivaxxers, homeopaths and other conspiracy woo cults.

    Mainstream climate science has been getting everything spot-on correct for the past 40 years. That's why it has such credibility. In stark contrast, the deniers have been getting everything wrong for those same past 40 years. When the climate scientists were predicting warming even back in the 1970s, the deniers were predicting a new ice age, and most of them are still predicting that new ice age, or at least imminent cooling.

    The denier ice-age cult can't even get the direction of the change right. That's the biggest reason why they have zero credibility. The second biggest is that they engage in fraud more readily than normal humans breathe. If a denier says it, it's probably correct to assume the exact opposite is true, unless independent evidence shows otherwise.

    If deniers want credibility, they need to stop failing at everything, and instead start making predictions that turn out correct. You know, like the real scientists. Whining about how unfair it is that constant failure doesn't earn credibility is not a way to gain credibility, but it's one of the few tactics deniers have, besides the constant fraud.
    Ignore the science, in this case the facts. Typical of the true believers.
    When Donald Trump said to protest “peacefully”, he meant violence.

    When he told protesters to “go home”, he meant stay for an insurrection.

    And when he told Brad Raffensperger to implement “whatever the correct legal remedy is”, he meant fraud.

    War is peace.

    Freedom is slavery.

    Ignorance is strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    The denier cult tells you that, but they tell you wrong.

    For example, way back around 1988, the warming was predicted to be about 0.20C/decade. It ended up being 0.19C/decade. Nearly perfect.

    Other predictions, spot on. Sea level rise. Stratospheric cooling. Decreased outgoing longwave in GHG bands. Increased backradiation. The tropospheric "hotspot". Polar amplification. Antarctic sea ice expansion before a decline. A lot of it very non-obvious, and all of it right. Impressive indeed.

    In contrast, your side generally lacks the guts to predict anything. The only thing you've been willing to predict in the past 40 years is imminent cooling, and that's always been totally wrong.
    There were many predictions- most well overstated. The lower-end predictions were closer to reality.


    You don't know what my side is. I am a "luke-warmist."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Ignore the science, in this case the facts. Typical of the true believers.
    You are talking to someone who doesn't listen.
    Liberals are a clear and present danger to our nation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter1469 View Post
    There were many predictions- most well overstated. The lower-end predictions were closer to reality.


    You don't know what my side is. I am a "luke-warmist."
    Good luck with this guy.
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    Some who resort to hyperbole and exaggeration when describing AGW only serve to discredit the very real fact based argument that man is indeed affecting our climate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captdon View Post
    You are talking to someone who doesn't listen.
    Old Native American saying. You can’t listen with your tongue.
    When Donald Trump said to protest “peacefully”, he meant violence.

    When he told protesters to “go home”, he meant stay for an insurrection.

    And when he told Brad Raffensperger to implement “whatever the correct legal remedy is”, he meant fraud.

    War is peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier8 View Post
    Old Native American saying. You can’t listen with your tongue.
    That describes most of my of critics. There's not a functioning neuron or gonad to be found in the whole lot of 'em combined. I post, they squeal insult hit-and-runs. That gives them an excuse to ignore the content of my post, content they know they can't address.

    At this stage, the topic has become the reasons as to why deniers act like they do and say the things they do. There are several factors driving them.

    First, they get emotional gratification from their herd identity. It's an authoritarian-follower thing. Obeying is much easier than thinking.

    Second, their narcissistic personality disorder prevents them from ever admitting any error, no matter how small. It also drives them to believe that they know more than the sum total of the best minds of the planet because they read a conspiracy blog.

    Third, they're scared. As we've all seen, the right-wing is very violent and unstable. If deniers admit their cult lied, that violent cult will consider them to be apostates and turn on them, which would put the ex-cultists in great danger.

    What I'm saying is that I understand why deniers lie for their cult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mamooth View Post
    That describes most of my of critics. There's not a functioning neuron or gonad to be found in the whole lot of 'em combined. I post, they squeal insult hit-and-runs. That gives them an excuse to ignore the content of my post, content they know they can't address.

    At this stage, the topic has become the reasons as to why deniers act like they do and say the things they do. There are several factors driving them.

    First, they get emotional gratification from their herd identity. It's an authoritarian-follower thing. Obeying is much easier than thinking.

    Second, their narcissistic personality disorder prevents them from ever admitting any error, no matter how small. It also drives them to believe that they know more than the sum total of the best minds of the planet because they read a conspiracy blog.

    Third, they're scared. As we've all seen, the right-wing is very violent and unstable. If deniers admit their cult lied, that violent cult will consider them to be apostates and turn on them, which would put the ex-cultists in great danger.

    What I'm saying is that I understand why deniers lie for their cult.
    As usual, you present nothing but ad Homs. To be expected.

    You should attempt, if possible, to read some actual science instead of getting your information from alarmists for the dogma.
    When Donald Trump said to protest “peacefully”, he meant violence.

    When he told protesters to “go home”, he meant stay for an insurrection.

    And when he told Brad Raffensperger to implement “whatever the correct legal remedy is”, he meant fraud.

    War is peace.

    Freedom is slavery.

    Ignorance is strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Common Sense View Post
    Some who resort to hyperbole and exaggeration when describing AGW only serve to discredit the very real fact based argument that man is indeed affecting our climate.
    You mean the alarmists, right?

    The question isn't does man affect his environment, how could he not. The question is how much.
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