What Makes a True Atheist?

[Chris]

There is no evidence free market works yet people like you believe on it.

Ah but there is.

[Chris]

Again showing your utter ignorance.

You can believe in ghosts, or not. As you choose to don't believe in vampires, even there is no evidence against its existence.

So, yes, applying your logic everybody is free to believe whatever they want. And I agree with that. Now if you believe in aliens, ghosts, vampires, fairies or gods don't expect to be free from being those ideas ridiculed or at least criticized.

Baseline, we all choose to believe in something.

It doesn't really matter what, it can still unite a people. Unlike the liberal project that seeks to undermine all that makes a community cohere.

[Chris]

There is no evidence that free market works better. Plus, evidence say the opposite. Reality is that a mixed system of market and socialism is the one that best works.

Go argue How two venezuelans view american socialists. Explain to them how socialism works. They might laugh.

[Mister D]

No, haven't. I've read histories of Christianity like Paul Johnson's A History of Christianity, Bruce Shelley's Church History, Gaustad & Schmidt's [i]The Religious History of America[i], and secular work like Karen Armstrong's A History of God, and started a few political histories of religion that weren't very good, but not Marcel Gauchet's A Political History of Religion. I'll order it. Thanks!

I think your son has a copy if I recall our last conversation correctly.

[kilgram]

Ah but there is.

Again you're wrong. No, there is not. Austrian economics have proven a failure where has been tried. It only brings misery. And obviously all theories born from there.

No, there is no evidence of free market working, because there is no place where it works. And there is clear evidence that the tendency of free market is to create oligopolies and similar structures.

There is no evidence neither that socialism fail. URSS failed, true. But it was not purely socialist, socialism needs to be free to work, however, even in that. And, even in its failure, it brought much more improvement to the world. It forced to the capitalist states to concede to the workers petitions what brought a lot of improvement in the societies.

And going back, to pure socialism, that does not exist, however, it is clear that for example many Russians, and every year more, that lived during the URSS, they miss that times, they want to recover that system. Capitalism has made the things worse for most of them.

Also, Venezuela. We have a inept government, however, the inestability is not only cause of the government. The oppositors are as guilty. The oppositors create a lot of inestability and coup d'etat tendencies. In Venezuela, during Chavez government a lot of things improved, like the number of people knowing to read.... Something that in the previous system it did not happen. Yes, Venezuela are not ok, but if we compare to its capitalist neighbours like Haiti, even Brasil, they are not as bad as it looks.

And $#@!. It is my last answer about something not related to religion in this topic. YOU WON ME AGAIN with your deviant tactics. And not being able to leave unanswered your $#@!ing propaganda and ignorance.

And, again. If you want to discuss about free market, socialism with me: CREATE A $#@!ING THREAD in the Economics forum. If you mention anything unrelated to the topic religion of lack of religion, I will ignore you again.

[Chris]

Again you're wrong. No, there is not. Austrian economics have proven a failure where has been tried. It only brings misery. And obviously all theories born from there.

No, there is no evidence of free market working, because there is no place where it works. And there is clear evidence that the tendency of free market is to create oligopolies and similar structures.

There is no evidence neither that socialism fail. URSS failed, true. But it was not purely socialist, socialism needs to be free to work, however, even in that. And, even in its failure, it brought much more improvement to the world. It forced to the capitalist states to concede to the workers petitions what brought a lot of improvement in the societies.

And going back, to pure socialism, that does not exist, however, it is clear that for example many Russians, and every year more, that lived during the URSS, they miss that times, they want to recover that system. Capitalism has made the things worse for most of them.

Also, Venezuela. We have a inept government, however, the inestability is not only cause of the government. The oppositors are as guilty. The oppositors create a lot of inestability and coup d'etat tendencies. In Venezuela, during Chavez government a lot of things improved, like the number of people knowing to read.... Something that in the previous system it did not happen. Yes, Venezuela are not ok, but if we compare to its capitalist neighbours like Haiti, even Brasil, they are not as bad as it looks.

And $#@!. It is my last answer about something not related to religion in this topic. YOU WON ME AGAIN with your deviant tactics. And not being able to leave unanswered your $#@!ing propaganda and ignorance.

And, again. If you want to discuss about free market, socialism with me: CREATE A $#@!ING THREAD in the Economics forum. If you mention anything unrelated to the topic religion of lack of religion, I will ignore you again.

Austiran economics is not the free market. It is a school of economics as are Keynsian economics, Public Choice economics, Behavioral economics, Marxist economics and so on.


Free markets are simply voluntary exchange whereby in any such exchange people exchange what they value less for what they value more. That can be two neighbors exchanging use of a tool for a home-cooked meal, all the way on up to a market system as described in something like Leonard E. Read's "I, Pencil."

It is, therefore, win-win.

Socialism/Marxism is predicated on win-lose.

Venezueala is socialist. So was the USSR. Basically, in economics, that means the economy is centrally planned, it is fixed by regulation not free from regulation. And that is where it fails. It cannot solve two problems: One, the economic calculation problem, basically setting prices, which happens naturally in the free market. Two, the problem of knowledge in society because that knowledge is dynamic, diffuse and often tacit, but which happens naturally in the free market because pricing is a signal--in a fixed economy, where pricing is fixed by central planning, the signals are false, or in today's parlance, fake.


Yes, I'm so devious.

[Chris]

I think your son has a copy if I recall our last conversation correctly.

I'll ask him but I think the book I bought for him was like 1000 pages, this one only about 300. Just searched my Amazon orders, and no. I'll get this one for me and if it's good share with him.

[Mister D]

I'll ask him but I think the book I bought for him was like 1000 pages, this one only about 300. Just searched my Amazon orders, and no. I'll get this one for me and if it's good share with him.

Hmmm...maybe you were thinking about buying it for him. I remember something like that.

You'll like his discussion of the state and its historical meaning.

[Mister D]

Oh! You're right. That was Does God Exist by Hans Kung. Never mind.

[Chris]

Oh! You're right. That was Does God Exist by Hans Kung. Never mind.

Yea, just found it in my amazon orders about a year ago.